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The Western: What happened?
SaltyStix.com ^ | 09,05,2007 | Brett

Posted on 09/05/2007 4:37:36 AM PDT by 7thson

Clint Eastwood once said, "I feel very close to the western. There are not too many American art forms that are original. Most are derived from European art forms. Other than the western and jazz or blues, that's all that's really original." People these days don’t really care for westerns anymore, unless Hang ‘Em High is on AMC or something. No one has made a decent attempt at a true western in a number of years. Sure, perhaps we get a Kevin Costner film every few years that takes place in the old west, but it’s not a western. Those are just emotional dramas taking place in a dusty town with lawmen and outlaws. Now with two new westerns debuting in a few weeks of each other, is it the same old song and dance, or revival?

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KEYWORDS: clinteastwood; gunslingers; johnwayne; westerns
An interesting article I came across. I do not know if I was allowed to post the entire article so I excerpted it.

The question remains, what ever happened to the western? My take - the western is a basic good versus evil storyline and Hollywood got out of that business years ago when it started to embrace multiculturalism.

Some of my favorite westerns -

Unforgiven

Shane

True Grit

The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly

Lonesome Dove

The Shootist

1 posted on 09/05/2007 4:37:39 AM PDT by 7thson
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To: 7thson

Blazing Saddles rulz.


2 posted on 09/05/2007 4:43:58 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Sworn to oppose control freaks, foreign and domestic.)
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To: 7thson

But seriously- The Jack Bull was a good, genuine recent western. Worth renting.


3 posted on 09/05/2007 4:48:19 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Sworn to oppose control freaks, foreign and domestic.)
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To: 7thson
Favorites here - any John Wayne western.


4 posted on 09/05/2007 4:49:53 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: 7thson
Three of my all time favorite movies that just happen to be Westerns -

Gunfight at OK Corral ("You'll die without a dime or a woman")

The Man who Shot Liberty Valance ("Put his boots back on!")

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon ("Lest we forget...")

5 posted on 09/05/2007 5:00:07 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: 7thson

Chato's Land

The Wild Bunch

6 posted on 09/05/2007 5:02:15 AM PDT by cartan
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To: 7thson

High Noon
The wild Bunch
the outlaw Josie Wales
The Long riders
Black Robe
The Searchers (Seekers?)
Dances with Wolves
Jeremiah Johnson
True Grit


7 posted on 09/05/2007 5:24:54 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: nathanbedford
“Alright... Lunger!”


8 posted on 09/05/2007 5:44:00 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: 7thson

“There are not too many American art forms that are original. Most are derived from European art forms.”

Seems to have forgotten Kurosawa’s Samurai Schichinin...


9 posted on 09/05/2007 5:54:15 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: 7thson

Silverado was a good one, even thought it has Danny Glover...

Mark


10 posted on 09/05/2007 5:54:36 AM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: MarkL

“Silverado was a good one, even thought it has Danny Glover...”

I need to ignore his role in Lonesome Dove, also.


11 posted on 09/05/2007 5:58:25 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: 7thson

Not truly a western, but I love watching James Garner in “Support Your Local Sheriff.”


12 posted on 09/05/2007 5:59:04 AM PDT by cyclotic (Support Scouting-Raising boys to be men, and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: 7thson
What is Clint talking about.Brokeback Mountain was a *huge* hit not long ago!
13 posted on 09/05/2007 6:19:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: yankeedame

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance was an excellent movie. Several years ago, Tombstone and Wyatt Earp came out at the same time. I liked Tombstone better. I liked how they showed running down the bad guys like dogs until they got them all. A philosophy surely missing today.


14 posted on 09/05/2007 6:20:36 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: cartan

One scene I remember in Chato’s Land - at night, someone is killed and falls face down in the fire. He’s dead befoe he hits the ground because he doesn’t scream from the flames.


15 posted on 09/05/2007 6:21:48 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: 7thson

Quigley Down Under.


16 posted on 09/05/2007 6:22:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
That was a good one. For an offbeat kind of western, I also liked The Missouri Breaks with Jack Nicholson and Marlon Brando.
17 posted on 09/05/2007 6:24:36 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: 7thson

Two Mules for Sister Sarah was another good one.


18 posted on 09/05/2007 6:42:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: 7thson
My top ten in no particular order:

The Professionals - Burt Lancaster
Silverado - Kevin Kline
True Grit – John Wayne
The Searchers - John Wayne
High Noon - Gary Cooper
The Shootist - John Wayne
The Cowboys - John Wayne
Unforgiven – Clint Eastwood
The Magnificent Seven - Yul Brynner
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon - John Wayne

And Blazing Saddles.....
19 posted on 09/05/2007 6:44:27 AM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: 7thson
Man who shot Liberty Valance

The Cowboys

20 posted on 09/05/2007 6:50:15 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: johnny7
"I'll be your Huckleberry..... "

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21 posted on 09/05/2007 6:52:13 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: 7thson

Good recent ones? Any of them with Robert Duvall or Tom Selleck is worth watching.


22 posted on 09/05/2007 6:53:20 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: 7thson

High Plains Drifter (not just my favorite western, but my second favorite flick of all time - right behind The Devil’s Advocate)

The Outlaw Josey Wales

Silverado


23 posted on 09/05/2007 6:53:54 AM PDT by DangerDanger ("Libertarianism is the Heart and Soul of Conservatism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Dick Vomer
LOL... “You're no daisy...”
24 posted on 09/05/2007 6:58:55 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Tom Selleck does good westerns... 'Crossfire Trail' and 'Monte Walsh' come to mind.
25 posted on 09/05/2007 7:11:36 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: 7thson

The Searchers

Lonesome Dove

Monty Walsh (TNT original?)

The Last of the Mohicans (I know it was an Eastern)

Electric Horseman


26 posted on 09/05/2007 7:16:45 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

You bet. Duvall and Selleck. Broken Trail was good and that was very recent.


27 posted on 09/05/2007 8:01:35 AM PDT by DancesWithCats
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To: 7thson

Hollywood managed to destroy yet another genre (see also: romance, whodunits) by injecting PC and the gay agenda.

20th century directors and studios gave us Westerns.

21st century directors and studios give us gay cowboys, sheepranchers, call them what you like.


28 posted on 09/05/2007 8:04:44 AM PDT by relictele
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To: johnny7
"You're no daisy! You're no daisy at all. Poor soul, you were just too high strung".

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" It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear.

29 posted on 09/05/2007 9:17:07 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Dick Vomer
“Say when...”


30 posted on 09/05/2007 9:28:12 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: 7thson
High Noon

Hands down. Also had the best theme song.

31 posted on 09/05/2007 12:36:46 PM PDT by bruin66 (Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.)
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To: 7thson

My favorite westerns: “Shane,” “High Noon,” “3:10 to Yuma” (the first one),”Ride the High Country,” “The Wild Bunch” and “The Stalking Moon.” Yes, the classic western is a re-enactment of the conflict between good and evil. It is mythical, not realistic. But the really goods ones are very, very convincing (”Shane,” “The Stalking Moon”). The ‘modern westerns (High Noon, 3:10 to Yuma) are somewhat contemporary social critiques, disguised as westerns, but, still, pretty darn good. :)


32 posted on 09/05/2007 1:25:36 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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“What’s deservin’ got to do with it?”


33 posted on 09/05/2007 8:59:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, August 29, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DangerDanger
You are right on:

High Plains Drifter - absolute classic film
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Unforgiven

schu

34 posted on 09/05/2007 9:03:56 PM PDT by schu
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To: 7thson
My take - the western is a basic good versus evil storyline and Hollywood got out of that business years ago when it started to embrace multiculturalism.

The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly


I realize it Clint is billed as The Good, but really there are no good guys in that movie. Or really any of Leone's westerns.
35 posted on 09/05/2007 9:04:25 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: 7thson

“There are not too many American art forms that are original. Most are derived from European art forms. Other than the western and jazz or blues, that’s all that’s really original.”

comic books
rock and roll
the mystery novel (thank you Edgar Allen Poe)

there are more

He’s myopic.


36 posted on 09/06/2007 7:01:33 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Jack Hammer

He also forgot that the westerns he made were shot in Europe by a European director and scored by a European composer (and I’ll mention the Japanese source of the stories he appeared in).


37 posted on 09/06/2007 7:03:01 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“...Quigley Down Under....”

Now that’s a western. In fact, it’s so far west, it would be shorter to go east to get west.


38 posted on 09/06/2007 7:21:58 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: johnny7

How about “The Sacketts”? That was a good flick. Selleck and Sam Elliott were great in it.


39 posted on 09/06/2007 7:25:16 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: weegee

In fact, I will go out on a limb and say that once your art form becomes European influenced, it tends to be degraded.


40 posted on 09/07/2007 3:37:21 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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