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Windows XP - lost Games and Calculator
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Posted on 10/07/2007 1:37:35 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn

Help! A couple weeks ago our Outlook Express freaked out and locked up. Never did get it working again even with psc tech help so we went to the plain jane Outlook. Then looking around, noticed under the Start Menu under Programs - Accessories that the calculator, Record Now, MS Paint and Games (free cell, spider, etc.) were missing. While I can't care less about email, I NEED my games and calculator and the kids need Paint for their homework and Record Now for school band practice!

I did a Run Search and can get to MS Paint and spider that way so I know those are still somewhere in the computer. I'm guessing the other games are in there as well. I still can't find the calculator. And I think Record Now is missing too since I couldn't find it just now.

I tried to do a System Restore but it won't let me. Yes, I clicked on the bold dates. It also won't take me back any further than August. I was hoping to get back to the original date but no such luck.

I tried to go to Install New Software but apparently the back up and recovery disks don't want to work. I know the back up disks are from this computer but I'm not so sure about the recovery disks - are there 8 recovery disks?

Can anyone help me find where these files are hiding and put them back on the Start Menu where they belong? Thanks.

BTW, what all is listed under Assessories because I may be missing much more that I'm not aware of.


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1 posted on 10/07/2007 1:37:41 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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I can't find the path for freecell and calculator to see where the .exe is supposed to be (without spending an inordinate amount of time on it).

Accessories>Accessibility, Communications, Entertainment, Address Book, Calculator, Command Prompt, Notepad, Paint, Program Compatibility Wizard, Scanner and Camera Wizard, Synchronize, Tour Windows XP, (untitled.bumpfetter.bmp - must be some junk that got on mine), Windows Explorer, Windows Movie Maker, System Tools. Each one has a pop out menu with more.

Sorry I can't be a better help. I hate it when things like that happen.

2 posted on 10/07/2007 1:56:09 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: mtbopfuyn

Try

%SystemRoot%\system32\calc.exe


3 posted on 10/07/2007 1:57:58 PM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Correction, only the first three and last item I mentioned have pop out menus for more.


4 posted on 10/07/2007 1:58:25 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: mtbopfuyn

Quit screwing around: Ubuntu 7.04/Firefox/Thunderbird.


5 posted on 10/07/2007 2:04:30 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Aliska

From your list, what I am missing is Calculator, Paint, Scanner and Camera Wizard.

The only ones that have anything in them are:

Accessibility - magnifier, narrator, on-screen keyboard (I think those 3 got added with the new keyboard???) and utility manager

Communications - network connections, network setup wizard, new connections wizard, remote disktop connection, wireless network setup wizard

Entertainment says it’s empty

System Tools - activate windows, disk cleanup, disk defrgmenter, files & settings transfer wizard, scheduled tasks, security system, system info, system restore, internets explorer (no add-ons)

So, where is Record Now? And all the volume buttons?


6 posted on 10/07/2007 2:19:43 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Khepera

Nope, won’t work on Run. A window pops up that says it’s unable to find it.


7 posted on 10/07/2007 2:22:29 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Grut

Huh? I don’t speak Russian or whatever that site is.


8 posted on 10/07/2007 2:25:37 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Not sure if this will help, but there is a difference between where the links to the apps are, and where the apps themselves are.

Your start menu is stored in several places. Right-click on the Start button and click on Explore. The main list of apps is stored in Documents and Settings->All Users->Start Programs. Any specific programs that you install for your ID may be stored in Documents and Settings->your userid->Start Menu->Programs.

The Windows apps themselves are stored in Windows->System32. Paint is mspaint.exe. Calc is calc.exe.

-PJ

9 posted on 10/07/2007 2:33:53 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Assuming you're familiar with Windows Explorer and have, like most, C: as your root drive (where Windows is installed):

a) Open Windows Explorer

b) Navigate to the locations listed below

c) Right click on each .exe entry and click 'create shortcut'

d) The new shortcut should show up right under the app you're working on (do them one at a time)

e) Right click/drag each new shortcut to the folder in your Start Menu where you usually access them

f) Be certain you're dragging the shortcut and not the .exe file ! (there should be a little arrow on the shortcut)

This will do nothing for the underlying reason for their disappearance but at least you'll have access til you/someone on the scene can sort it out.

Calculator > C:\System32\calc.exe

Sound Recorder > C:\System32\sndrec32.exe

Volume Control > C:\System32\sndvol32.exe

Paint > C:\System32\mspaint.exe

Solitaire > C:\System32\sol.exe

Hearts > C:\System32\mshearts.exe

Freecell > C:\System32\freecell.exe

MineSweeper > C:\System32\winmine.exe

Spider > C:\System32\spider.exe

Outlook Express > C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe

* Pinball > C:\Program Files\Windows NT\Pinball\pinball.exe

* Reversi > C:\Program Files\MSN Gaming Zone\Windows\Rvsezm.exe

*Spades > C:\Program Files\MSN Gaming Zone\Windows\shvlzm.exe

* your system may/may not include these

10 posted on 10/07/2007 2:37:48 PM PDT by tomkat (forgiveness is god's job)
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Damn ! Left out part of the paths !

Corrected ones below:

Calculator > C:\Windows\System32\calc.exe

Sound Recorder > C:\Windows\System32\sndrec32.exe

Paint > C:\Windows\System32\mspaint.exe

Solitaire > C:\Windows\System32\sol.exe

Hearts > C:\Windows\System32\mshearts.exe

Freecell > C:\Windows\System32\freecell.exe

MineSweeper > C:\Windows\System32\winmine.exe

Spider > C:\Windows\System32\spider.exe

11 posted on 10/07/2007 2:40:45 PM PDT by tomkat
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Yes, I knew they were somewhere but the only one I could find in the system 32 file was Spider. No other games (solitare, freecell, hearts, etc.) nor could I find Paint although I can access it by doing a Run. Any idea how to move Spider and Paint back to the Accessibility in the Start Menu?

I had no luck with your calculator title (calc.exe or any variation) or with the previous poster’s. I can’t locate it in the system 32 folder either.

If anyone can help with Record Now since it’s “for the children”, ya know.


12 posted on 10/07/2007 2:49:07 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: tomkat

All righty! Off to try this. Thanks!


13 posted on 10/07/2007 2:51:34 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn
You can right-click on the exe and click Copy, then go to the menu location and paste shortcut. You may have to rename it if you don't like "shortcut to" in front of it.

If Record Now came on your computer, do you still have it on a restore disk that came with the computer? I'd also say that you can probably download it from the Sonic website, but you may wind up installing a trial version instead of your licensed version.

-PJ

14 posted on 10/07/2007 2:55:50 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: mtbopfuyn
good luck

once the new shortcuts are in place (or even before you move them actually) you can right click>rename them to avoid confusion

eg: 'Solitaire' without the .exe extension

15 posted on 10/07/2007 2:57:55 PM PDT by tomkat
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I tried to do a System Restore but it won't let me.

By "System Restore", do you mean "System Recovery"? At least that's what HP calls it.

I had major problems with mine after I accidentally messed up the boot sector. I tried System Recovery and it wouldn't work. It had me pulling my hair out for a few days, until I got one of their phone technicians to ask me if I had changed my hardware configuration in any way.

I had. I added a CD burner, a hard drive, and my old keyboard.

She told me I must restore my system to original hardware configuration for the System Recovery to work.

After I did that, it worked like a charm.

It ticked me off that they don't include that indispensable little tidbit of info in their troubleshooting guide.

16 posted on 10/07/2007 2:59:26 PM PDT by FlyVet
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If all else fails, take the CD that you got with the computer and reinstall the whole operating system.
17 posted on 10/07/2007 3:46:04 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: tomkat

Hmm, none worked except Paint and Spider.

Now I see that Windows Media is also missing from the Start Up. I can get it in a round about way, but it’s annoying just like paint and spider.

I finally got the back up disc to work but it only installed old word documents and pictures.


18 posted on 10/07/2007 3:52:12 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yes, Record Now came with the computer. It didn’t come back during the backup restore. Will have to check at Sonic. Thanks.


19 posted on 10/07/2007 3:54:42 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: FlyVet

Hmm, that’s interesting. I don’t see a “System Recovery”. My HP titles it “System Restore”; where it supposedly will restore it back to some previous date. Well, it won’t.

If it’s restored to the original configuration, didn’t you lose everything you had on it? I really don’t want to do that and if the back up disks only work when they feel like it, well...


20 posted on 10/07/2007 4:00:17 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Now I see that Windows Media is also missing from the Start Up.

When you restore the link to it, it would go in your now empty entertainment folder under accessories. (Real Player would be there as well, as well as perhaps volume and sound recorder controls, based on your setup.

21 posted on 10/07/2007 4:04:07 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
If all else fails, take the CD that you got with the computer and reinstall the whole operating system.

It came preinstalled but we do have 8 disks that it said to write for this which I'm assuming will take it back to the original configuation. Of course, I've installed all new gadgets like screen, printer, keyboard, the power source thingie (lingo dummy here), and a few other nifty things inside the CPU. Right now, I'm not sure I'd trust the discs to do their thing correctly.

22 posted on 10/07/2007 4:05:15 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Update - Windows Media is also missing although it can be gotten to in a round about way through the files so I don’t know yet if it’ll even record or just run the files already there.


23 posted on 10/07/2007 4:06:45 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: PAR35
When you restore the link to it, it would go in your now empty entertainment folder under accessories. (Real Player would be there as well, as well as perhaps volume and sound recorder controls, based on your setup.

It seems I can only get to Windows Media by going through a music file that's already in My Documents. I can't seem to find it anywhere else. Do you know where it's located and how to restore it's link?

24 posted on 10/07/2007 4:08:57 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Those programs should be .exe files in the main Windows directory. All you have to do is right click them to the menu that you want them in and pick “Make short cuts here”


25 posted on 10/07/2007 4:15:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Your character map which should be under System Tools you didn't mention, didn't check all the others. I use that quite a bit.

I never use the camera and scanning wizard, I scan through Photoshop and use Windows Explorer to dl my photos, whatever else I need to do pertaining to that. I used it once, and it didn't use the same numbering system the camera uses, Pic 001, etc. I did have to buy a card reader for 20 bucks, works great with Windows Explorer.

When I have a problem, I do just a little at once and see if things stay stable. Chances are if you reload Windows, you won't know some of the options to pick. That may be your only alternative.

I think you can create new shortcuts (good advice about the arrow), and drag them to your desktop (if you want them there), and manually add them to your start menu another way. Help told me how to add, deleting you just right click and delete. I don't know if I want all that junk in my startup folder, maybe it is automatically put there. Your call. Whatever works at this point.

Glad so many came along to help. It is good to know most of that is in Windows System 32 folder. Also the documents and settings, will look there if I need to.

I never had much luck with System Restore, just once did it do what I wanted.

26 posted on 10/07/2007 4:27:43 PM PDT by Aliska
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If it’s restored to the original configuration, didn’t you lose everything you had on it? I really don’t want to do that and if the back up disks only work when they feel like it, well...

If you only have the one hard drive, and you perform a Destructive Recovery (as HP calls it), without backing it up on a CD, DVD, secondary hard drive, etc, yes, you will lose it, because it reformats the hard drive. My HP (a1610n) also has a Non-Destructive Recovery, which doesn't reformat the hard drive. But, they recommend you do a backup before you do that, just in case.

In my case, I backed up everything I wanted to save on DVD and the secondary hard drive. Then, I restored it to original configuration, ran the Destructive Recovery, plugged secondary hard drive back in along with the other stuff (CD burner, keyboard), and it worked out great.

It is important to back up your essential stuff one way or another before you attempt even the Non-Destructive Recovery, though, just in case something goes wrong.

In the case of my computer, from bootup I toggle the F10 key repeatedly to get to the System Recovery screen.

You should be able to find your 'puter's method on its web site, whatever it is.

I'm only telling you what I know. I don't even resemble an expert. Your mileage may vary.

27 posted on 10/07/2007 4:28:34 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: mtbopfuyn
I have other things to do tonight but will leave you with one other suggestion. Highlight and copy the following: C:\Windows\System32\calc.exe

Now click Start > Run
Right click > Paste > click OK

If calculator pops up then the others should too.
(do copy the full path name as it's the application's location you're trying to find)

If some of them don't, something's moved the actual executable file from it's default location, whether a user goof or some kinda bug.

In that case, click Start > Search > 'For Files or Folders' and copy/paste the filename w/o the path (eg: calc.exe, msimn.exe, etc) and note the location where it's found.

Chances are the other missing items might be in the same folder.

If you still have no luck you'd prolly be wise to spend a few bucks and have a local reputable tech have a look.

He/she could likely sort it out with a short visit.

Once again, good luck...

28 posted on 10/07/2007 4:29:58 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: mtbopfuyn
FYI:

YMMV

29 posted on 10/07/2007 4:46:01 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: editor-surveyor; PAR35; Political Junkie Too; Prophet in the wilderness; tomkat; Khepera

Sorry, I’m really not a stupid as what I might appear but I simply can not find anything other than Paint and Spider in the System32 file. Am I looking in the wrong place??? Here’s what I where I went -

My Computer - Local Disk (C:) - Windows - System32

System32 has all the icons, mostly dll folders. Scrolling through in alphabetical order, the only ones I found were Paint and Spider (nice bright colored pictures of a spider and paint brushes, easy enough). I right clicked on both and clicked “create a shortcut”. I then dragged the shortcuts to the desktop. Thankfully, they work. However, those were the ONLY ones I’ve located.

In alphabetical order looking for:

Calculator - the folders go from cabview.dll to cacls to camocx.dll so it’s not showing anything for a calc.

MSHearts - the folders go from msh263 to mshta with no MSHearts between the two.

Freecell - from framebuf.dll to fsmgmt

MineSweeper - from winlogon to winmm.dll

Again, am I not looking in the correct place or are they simply gone to be forever lost?


30 posted on 10/07/2007 4:47:28 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Wait, I just had an idea - are your hidden files hidden?


31 posted on 10/07/2007 4:53:21 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Aliska
Your character map which should be under System Tools you didn't mention

Nope, that's not there either (ugh!). Just the 9 things I posted.

Yes, thanks to so many FRiends who are so knowledgeable and willing to give their expertise.

32 posted on 10/07/2007 4:53:34 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Again, am I not looking in the correct place or are they simply gone to be forever lost?

Don't panic quite yet .. did you try this part ?

In that case, click Start > Search > 'For Files or Folders' and copy/paste the filename w/o the path (eg: calc.exe, msimn.exe, etc) and note the location where it's found.
Chances are the other missing items might be in the same folder.

I really do have to go now but fear not, as one of the nightshift geeks on here will surely carry on with you, and most assuredly w/more expertise than I can offer...


33 posted on 10/07/2007 4:57:22 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: FlyVet

My HP is a a320n. Haven’t seen a Destructive Recovery. M-teen here swears to know how to back up everything and was clearing out some old documents before heart throb called and made a quick escape. ;)


34 posted on 10/07/2007 4:59:48 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

If you go to HP.com you should be able to search for relevant info for your machine. Tell your M-teen to get one of his/her ‘puter geek friends in there to help you, dang it, if you aren’t comfortable with the process. After all, you cranked him/her out, he/she owes you (at least that’s what my Mother would say...or something like that) :P.


35 posted on 10/07/2007 5:07:37 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: tomkat

Nope, not there. Even had it look in hidden files and other places. Looks like I’m going to have to bite the bullet and take it into the puter hospital.

Thanks so much for all your, and everyone’s, help.


36 posted on 10/07/2007 5:09:19 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: tomkat

Thanks, printed it out. Looks like I’m missing more and more all the time...


37 posted on 10/07/2007 5:10:47 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Wait, I just had an idea - are your hidden files hidden?

I did a search and opened the "hidden files" but it didn't find anything.

38 posted on 10/07/2007 5:12:10 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Do a system restore, and back your computer up a couple of weeks.


39 posted on 10/07/2007 5:17:45 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: FlyVet

Ha, one step ahead of you but slipped two steps back down the parenting ladder! M-teen is taking two computer classes this year with a 100 in each so begged her to ask both teachers for help for the past week. I’ll give you one guess what happened... “sorry, I forgot”. Tonight we asked about geek friends but got nothing but eye rolls and a mad dash outta here when the phone rang, sigh...


40 posted on 10/07/2007 5:19:05 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Thanks everyone for your time, trouble, and knowlege! I really appreciate you all. It’s no wonder FR is such a great place. Thanks, again!


41 posted on 10/07/2007 5:22:08 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Ahhh, we just like surrounding someone in distress, like sharks circling the bait. Everybody’s got a solution for you. :P


42 posted on 10/07/2007 5:31:49 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: mtbopfuyn

Try going to ( Search ) and type in the program name.


43 posted on 10/07/2007 5:32:53 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: FlyVet
I found out that things get really messy and hangs up and messed up, it’s time to do a reinstall and bring the computer back to it was when you first bought the computer, that is ? if you still have the original cd disk that came with the computer.
44 posted on 10/07/2007 5:34:58 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: FlyVet

But, before you do a reinstall, run disk check to make sure there are no errors on the disk.


45 posted on 10/07/2007 5:36:21 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
" If it’s restored to the original configuration, didn’t you lose everything you had on it? I really don’t want to do that and if the back up disks only work when they feel like it, well... " is that data files ? pictures ? programs you put on your computer after you bought it ?
Some computer reinstall disk have a option either to do a limited reinstall or a destructive ( reformats the disk and does a clean install ) reinstall ( get's ride of all data on disk ).
With some problems with a computer, I found out that , that is the only solution is to do a reinstall, if you do do a reinstall, don't forget to get and update all your drivers because Windows XP might not load all of them.
Yes, I hate it to, to back up all the files, data, pictures, programs, but, if the computer really messes up, and no solution works, that is your last resort. to reinstall.
46 posted on 10/07/2007 5:42:43 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

replace the weak microsoft calc with “microtools4U calculator”. Much better calc.


47 posted on 10/07/2007 5:44:32 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: mtbopfuyn

Did you run ( Search ) ? and try to find the programs that way ?


48 posted on 10/07/2007 5:46:47 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
That is not possible with these new-fangled packaged computers. My HP came with no separate software. It was a screaming deal at less than $500 for a dual core processor and tons of software, but these major manufacturers no longer give you the software separately. The only choice I have when the software messes up (or I mess up) is to run a System Recovery.

The software package is kept in a partition on the C: drive, the partition being designated the D: drive.

On this system, if you have a major malfunction, you have to run a Recovery, which restores the system to original configuration, and then you have to go through the headache of removing all the crap you don't want, that gets in the way and slows your system down.

I understand why they do that, because they get tired of people pirating their software for free. But, next time I will probably spend a few hundred more to get a raw system and add my own software.

For instance, if 3 years from now, my HP system motherboard takes a dump, will I be able to replace it myself and carry on, as I have done for the past 20 years?

Probably not, as that new motherboard will violate some software agreement, making my computer "invalid" for the loaded software.

In the past, I was able to upgrade my computer as some part of it gave out, but it becomes less and less possible, due to major manufacturer's more and more strict copyright rules.

49 posted on 10/07/2007 5:53:25 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

Some manufactures have the reinstall software already on the hard drive, and you have make your own copies on a CD or DVD. and even then, they only allow you to do that once.


50 posted on 10/07/2007 6:04:13 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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