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The Collapse Of The Soviet Union Was Staged
http://www.nowpublic.com/politics/collapse-soviet-union-was-staged-0 ^ | J. R. Nyquist

Posted on 11/25/2007 9:23:45 AM PST by Fennie

In 1984 a book was published with the title New Lies For Old. It was written by Soviet KGB defector Anatoly Golitsyn. The book claimed that the Soviet Union had a secret long-term strategy to disarm and defeat the United States through a controlled collapse of the Soviet empire that would take place in the last decade of the twentieth century. In the book's most remarkable chapter, titled "The Final Phase," Golitsyn accurately described the future of the Soviet bloc. Communism would give up its monopoly of power in Russia, he explained, as apparent freedom and democracy would be introduced. The communist Warsaw Pact alliance would be dissolved. The Berlin Wall might be taken down and Germany united as "the key to progress toward a neutral, socialist Europe"...


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1 posted on 11/25/2007 9:23:46 AM PST by Fennie
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2 posted on 11/25/2007 9:27:04 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: Fennie

Yeah, right...


3 posted on 11/25/2007 9:28:22 AM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: Fennie

Get ready for the exciting sequel “The Collapse of the Republican Party Was Staged”.


4 posted on 11/25/2007 9:29:09 AM PST by devere
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To: al baby

Sing it babs


5 posted on 11/25/2007 9:29:36 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Fennie

Actually, it was the aliens from Wolf 359 that planned it for the Russians.


6 posted on 11/25/2007 9:30:32 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car......with guns.)
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To: al baby

I understand what you mean by putting that Pic up..but it’s still early on a nice sunny if cold Sunday morning, the birds are playing outside the window..and now I have to go wash my eyes out with acid!!!! Thanks..


7 posted on 11/25/2007 9:30:51 AM PST by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: claudiustg

This sounds like a plan put together by Pinky and the Brain with Pinky doing the brainwork and the Brain doing the legwork.


8 posted on 11/25/2007 9:31:27 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Fennie
What a crock, I suppose they thought Yeltsin would come into power?

Did they have a time machine or crystal ball?

Did they know he would rally the army to prevent a takeover by the hardliners?

Who wrote this, another conspiracy theorist or just someone trying to make a buck?

What a load of garbage.

9 posted on 11/25/2007 9:33:27 AM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Fennie
Ah, but he failed to take into account our counter plan to import ten gazillion Mexicans and vote the Dems into power to defeat the double secret Soviet Union.

(Well, it makes as much sense as Golitsyn's theory)

10 posted on 11/25/2007 9:35:06 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Government is the hired help - not the boss. When politicians forget that they must be fired.)
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To: Fennie
Maybe, maybe not. I think they were financially screwed, but I don't think they really had much to lose. Gorbachev became an environmentalist- a convenient platform to influence international policy.

Interesting quote from the article: Golitsyn's book has been dismissed as nonsense by CIA experts, pundits and journalists. "Yet of Golitsyn's falsifiable predictions, 139 out of 148 were fulfilled by the end of 1993 -- an accuracy rate of nearly 94 percent," according to Mark Riebling's history of the FBI and CIA titled Wedge.

11 posted on 11/25/2007 9:35:09 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: Fennie

12 posted on 11/25/2007 9:35:17 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Fennie

I’m reminded of the scene in “Pee Wee’s Big Adventure” where he’s trying to do tricks on his bicycle, then wipes out in front of a bunch of little kids. He jumps up, brushes his clothes off and dismissively says to the laughing kids, “I meant to do that!”


13 posted on 11/25/2007 9:37:02 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Fennie

Sheesh! Paging all whackjobs and troofers!


14 posted on 11/25/2007 9:38:15 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: #1CTYankee

The Soviet Challenge To America

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FinalWarn07-7


15 posted on 11/25/2007 9:39:34 AM PST by Fennie
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To: Fennie

16 posted on 11/25/2007 9:40:15 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Alter Kaker

Is that Ron Paul?


17 posted on 11/25/2007 9:40:45 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Fennie
Oh, my sides...

...and fire can't melt steel....! ;')

18 posted on 11/25/2007 9:43:37 AM PST by Rocko ( "Where's the global warming? It's freezing in here." -- Bob Dylan)
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To: Mojave
Is that Ron Paul?

No, Ron Paul works for us. It's all part of the plan...

19 posted on 11/25/2007 9:46:20 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Fennie
Post any link you would like, this is a delusion of someone smoking crack as far as I'm concerned.

You figure they were behind 9-11 so we could "waste" our resources on terrorists?

All done.

20 posted on 11/25/2007 9:46:38 AM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Fennie

This story is akin to an enemy chopping off his hands right before your eyes and saying, "See? I mean you no harm." And then chopping off his feet to further convince you. "Not convinced yet?" Gouges out own eyes.... Etc.

21 posted on 11/25/2007 9:47:47 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Fennie

The Rockies used the same strategy against the Red Sox.

And the unsuspecting Red Sox fell right into their trap...


22 posted on 11/25/2007 9:48:58 AM PST by kidd
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To: devere
Get ready for the exciting sequel “The Collapse of the Republican Party Was Staged”.

Rove!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

23 posted on 11/25/2007 9:49:06 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Fennie

Most would laugh at this, but 60+ years ago, there was an address before the politburo from a Russian General who stated that this was indeed their plan. I remember getting a briefing on this one in a training class in the USAF back in the 80’s.
He went so far as to state that they would in fact use capitalism to obtain the materials needed in order to defeat us — effectively they would use our rope to hang us.
I never thought twice about that, until Putin woke the bear from hibernation.


24 posted on 11/25/2007 9:50:28 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: Fennie

I never heard of the book but at the time of the collapse it appeared to me that it was a carefully calculated strategic move on their part for reasons that were obvious — and to think, we gave Ronald Reagan all the credit.


26 posted on 11/25/2007 9:51:44 AM PST by TiaS
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To: TiaS
Do we need a sarcasm tag?
27 posted on 11/25/2007 9:55:18 AM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: TiaS
...and to think, we gave Ronald Reagan all the credit.

Oh my God! Was he in on it too!?!

28 posted on 11/25/2007 9:56:27 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: sandyeggo

did they predict/ direct the demographic implosion of mother Russia and its resettlement by Moslems?


29 posted on 11/25/2007 9:57:20 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Fennie
Well they did get the Clintons to adopt N.Korea off their hands and even then the Clintons armed them with nuclear....
30 posted on 11/25/2007 9:58:22 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: rogue yam

Who knows?


31 posted on 11/25/2007 9:58:50 AM PST by TiaS
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To: TiaS
we gave Ronald Reagan all the credit.

I suppose that describes some folks.
The ones that hadn't heard of Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II.
(and I'm not Catholic! or from the UK!)
32 posted on 11/25/2007 9:59:41 AM PST by VOA
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To: rogue yam; TiaS

And Rove! Don’t forget Karl Rove!


33 posted on 11/25/2007 9:59:47 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Fennie

This is Nyquist. Wasn’t Nyquist banned for life from FR?

Anyway, my neighbor and I came to this conclusion in 1984: the collapse of the USSR was strategic.


34 posted on 11/25/2007 10:01:41 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Narf!!!

35 posted on 11/25/2007 10:01:41 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: 1rudeboy

Tinfoil anyone?


36 posted on 11/25/2007 10:02:06 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: All

varly inturestink


37 posted on 11/25/2007 10:02:48 AM PST by sure_fine ( " not one to over kill the thought process " )
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To: #1CTYankee

Me thinks thee confuses sarcasm with the TRUTH — in all due respect.


38 posted on 11/25/2007 10:02:58 AM PST by TiaS
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To: Fennie

Yup, just like the towers, it’s all part of the “master plan”.


39 posted on 11/25/2007 10:05:13 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Fennie

I don’t think the collapse was staged. They would never have given up their empire if they could have helped it. But I think that when they saw that it was inevitable, the Nomenklatura did what they could to preserve their power.

The NKVD/KGB/YouNameIt is still in charge of the country. And it’s clear that Putin still has imperial ambitions.

It has morphed from a Communist system of complete control to a Russian Mafia system for complete control.

They might conceivably go back to Communism at some point, because although it seemed to be discredited there are still a LOT of Communist theorists around, and it still has appeal to a lot of people. Or maybe they’ll invent some other kind of veneer to cover up what Communism was always about, anyway—power for the Nomenklatura and opium for the masses.


40 posted on 11/25/2007 10:07:55 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Fennie; All

Funny how the libs keep trying to re-write history. (Communists and Liberals play on the same team)

The only reason they have not yet succeeded in flushing the real reasons for the end of the Cold War down the memory hole is that too many of us are still alive who lived through it and remember it.

Here is a good example: I went to a movie last night, and one of the previews was for “Charlie Wilson’s War”. I saw the book, but never read it. This preview was laced with small interview tidbits with the actors starring in it, Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts and so on. I like Tom Hanks, even though he is a raging lefty...he mostly keeps it to himself. In one of the interviews, Tom Hanks talks about how this guy Charlie Wilson was a real patriot who won the Cold War singlehandedly, and how there was no hypocrisy in his actions and deeds, etc.. Julia Roberts gushed over this guy, you get the idea.

Already, I think: “Hmm...Julia Roberts...Lefty...Tom Hanks...Lefty...these people would never do anything like this for someone like Oliver North, who was a genuine patriot...”

Then the preview tells you the screenplay was done by Aaron Sorkin...and that will tell you all you need to know about this.

They are relentless in their efforts to rewrite history, twist the language to suit their needs, and lie cheat and steal to gain power.


41 posted on 11/25/2007 10:08:54 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Fennie
Evidence of a long range Soviet strategy of controlled democratization and fake collapse for the purpose of disarming the West also appears in the writings of the high level Czech defector Jan Sejna. In his 1982 book, We Will Bury You, Sejna wrote of a plan to “convince the Capitalist countries that they had no need of military alliances.” He added that, “To this end we envisaged that it might be necessary to dissolve the Warsaw Pact, in which event we had already prepared a web of bilateral defence arrangements, to be supervised by secret committees of Comecon.”

Looks like those nasty Jihadist screwed up their plans.

42 posted on 11/25/2007 10:10:25 AM PST by Popman (My doohickey is discombobulated)
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To: TiaS
"Me thinks thee confuses sarcasm with the TRUTH — in all due respect."

And you think as well this was their grand plan?

Then I suppose they screwed it up in the execution.

Me thinks you give them waaay too much credit.

In all due respect.

43 posted on 11/25/2007 10:10:33 AM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Fennie
Well, the book was written in 1984 and it did claim what would happen. So either it’s real or the guy had an amazing talent for predicting the future. When you see Putie and his henchmen in control and they were all former KGB (even the Russian mob), and Russia is started to “backslide”, it does make you wonder.
44 posted on 11/25/2007 10:11:17 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: claudiustg

Yeah, right...

It’s true and so was 911. Yeah, that’s right.


45 posted on 11/25/2007 10:11:48 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: Fennie

” claimed that the Soviet Union had a secret long-term strategy to disarm and defeat the United States”

The left’s hate for Reagan never ceases.

People don’t beleive it when I state that the hate for Reagan was much more intense than what we see against Bush today.

Viva La Reagan...


46 posted on 11/25/2007 10:11:49 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: rlmorel
"The only reason they have not yet succeeded in flushing the real reasons for the end of the Cold War down the memory hole is that too many of us are still alive who lived through it and remember it."

Well said, we lived through it.

47 posted on 11/25/2007 10:13:00 AM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Fennie; All

There have been at least two serious defectors assert such.

And, there are several other source threads asserting essentially the same thing.

Certainly the world military powers have been cooperating at least since . . . when 1954 or 1964 on the UFO stuff. I believe 1954 is accurate.

Lots of things are not as they seem.

And FREEPERS OF ALL PEOPLE

SHOULD KNOW

that VIRTUALLY NOTHING THE MSM asserts is as the MSM asserts it.

So, why on earth is it so difficult to see such HIDDEN IN PLAIN sight stuff by FREEPERS! Sheesh.

This is old hat, really.

The globalist puppet masters have been at it a very long time.

DERISIVE DENIAL is NOT a good survival trait!


48 posted on 11/25/2007 10:19:50 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
Most would laugh at this, but 60+ years ago, there was an address before the politburo from a Russian General who stated that this was indeed their plan. I remember getting a briefing on this one in a training class in the USAF back in the 80’s. He went so far as to state that they would in fact use capitalism to obtain the materials needed in order to defeat us — effectively they would use our rope to hang us. I never thought twice about that, until Putin woke the bear from hibernation.

I don't think the wounds to the former USSR are fatal and I do believe it will be back likely stronger than ever. They are still a military capable nation even having the infrastructure in place to produce weapons. Their plants are shuttered but not torn down unlike the United States former defense production plants. An influx of money will cure those woes for Russia and they will be ahead of us in production capabilities.

The fall of the USSR was for prophetic reasons and I see it as being short lived. Russia will join forces with Arabic nations to go to war against Israel.

49 posted on 11/25/2007 10:21:20 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

The globalist’s long ago co-opted all the significant leaders of any significance in any significant country.

It is, evidently, only a matter of whether a given leader will rush us to the global tyrannical government at the speed of light—like Shrillery . . . or someone else will move us there somewhat slower.


50 posted on 11/25/2007 10:22:33 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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