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Shooting accident kills man at Houston gun range
Houston Chronicle ^ | Dec. 20, 2007, 1:38AM | ROBERT CROWE

Posted on 12/20/2007 5:12:50 AM PST by cbkaty

Shooting accident kills man at Houston gun range

A man was fatally shot during an accident at a west Houston gun range, police said.

The 45- to 50-year-old man died after he suffered a gunshot wound to the chest at American Shooting Centers in the 16500 block of Westheimer Parkway, Houston police said.

The incident happened about 6:40 p.m. Authorities say they believe the injuries were caused by a rifle.

No other details were immediately available Wednesday night.


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This range is the one I use...and ...they are extremely strict regarding safety. Regardless....this is a sad event that can happen anywhere.
1 posted on 12/20/2007 5:12:54 AM PST by cbkaty
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To: Eaker; Joe Brower

Ping


2 posted on 12/20/2007 5:17:07 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee; TheMom

This is the range where the M1 Garand blew up.

They couldn’t find a first aid kit.

Sad.


3 posted on 12/20/2007 5:19:51 AM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: cbkaty; dix; TexasCowboy; Flyer; humblegunner; Allegra; Xenalyte; thackney; eastforker; ...

American Shooting Center Ping.


4 posted on 12/20/2007 5:22:13 AM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: cbkaty

On a side note: when did gun shot wounds get classified as “injuries”?


5 posted on 12/20/2007 5:25:00 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: cbkaty

Was it really a gunshot wound? Or did the rifle malfunction and he got hit by a part?


6 posted on 12/20/2007 5:33:58 AM PST by doodad
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To: doodad
Was it really a gunshot wound? Or did the rifle malfunction and he got hit by a part?

Don't know....I'd imagine the employees are not saying anything to anyone but their attorneys...

7 posted on 12/20/2007 5:41:15 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Eaker

Is the incident described in the article the M1 incident - or is this a second incident at the same range?


8 posted on 12/20/2007 5:41:37 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Sad.

Be careful out there, folks.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

9 posted on 12/20/2007 5:51:02 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: wideawake

It is my understanding this happened yesterday.... I have not heard what type weapon was involved.


10 posted on 12/20/2007 5:52:40 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: wideawake; Eaker
Is the incident described in the article the M1 incident

No, Eaker was refering to his own M1 incident from a few years ago.

11 posted on 12/20/2007 6:08:09 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: cbkaty

I seem to recall a case here in NC a few years back.

We had a local indoor range near the airport in Raleigh where a man came and rented a sub-gun and then used it to committ suicide a few years ago. The place closed up afterwards and never re-opened.


12 posted on 12/20/2007 6:12:45 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Eaker

Why did the Garand blow up?

Was the shooter using modern commerical ammo instead of military ball ammo?


13 posted on 12/20/2007 6:21:23 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: cbkaty
Here in Tulsa, Oklahoma, we have a large commercial indoor range, owned and operated by a guy who once won "an international shooting tournament". I observed absolutely no monitoring or enforcement of safety procedures, at least the last time I was there, which was over 10 years ago.

I said something about it once and the man proudly said "we've never had an accidental shooting here."

Thanks a lot, dude. I'm not gonna be first.

Sorry to hear that it happened in Houston.

14 posted on 12/20/2007 6:28:55 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: ZULU; Eaker

I heard the trigger nut was a bit loose.


15 posted on 12/20/2007 6:41:10 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Eaker

Isnt that the place the 1st annual Texas Cowboy shoot was held?


16 posted on 12/20/2007 6:44:23 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: cbkaty

Its dark at 6:40 PM in Dec here in Tx, was this an indoor rifle range?


17 posted on 12/20/2007 6:46:15 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: cbkaty

how familiar are you with Top Gun? How would you compare the two ranges? Which one is closer to main campus of UH? Thanks.


18 posted on 12/20/2007 6:49:51 AM PST by rudy45
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To: cbkaty
The story didn’t go into details.

I like to shoot at a nearby range also. For the most part, shooters are very safe.

Even an “experienced” shooter can make a mistake with a new weapon. People should learn its operation at home and unloaded before bringing it to the range and loading it for the first time.

19 posted on 12/20/2007 7:07:04 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: ZULU

An M1 Garand will eat through any 30.06 ammo you can fit in the En-bloc clip.

Some have said that firing the heavyer grain bullets might damage your operating rod after a time. I’ve found no problem with 150-170 grain bullets. Now, the 170s do kick a bit in the ‘03.


20 posted on 12/20/2007 7:11:33 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: PeteB570

I bought an original about 1 year ago and haven;t fired it.

I belong to several gun groups on line and posed the question about modern ammo versus military ball ammo in Garands and a number of responders told me hwat you said. A great many others said that the Garand wasn;t desinged to handle the kind of higher pressure commericial ammo available today.

I do know the Greek government still manufacturers military ball ammo for these things and there are suppliers on the net where you can get the stuff.

I had some modern commercial ammo from Winchester and contacted them directly about the safety of using it in an M1 Garand and a M1917 .30-06 caliber WW1 bolt action.
They told me it was safe in the original WW1 bolt action but not in the Garand.

I think that it would be wiser to avoid modern ammo in a Garand, and if you absolutely had to use it, use the lightest weight bullet available - I think its 150 or 160 grains. But it would appear you are still taking a chance on damaging yourself and/or a WW2 piece of history if you use modern ammo in it.

I wouldn;t based on what Winchester told me in an e-mail communication.


21 posted on 12/20/2007 7:29:15 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Was the shooter hurt or the gun damaged badly?

See my response below on modern ammo in Garands.


22 posted on 12/20/2007 7:29:55 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Eaker

That’s horrible Eaker. Are there details yet? Such an odd story.


23 posted on 12/20/2007 7:32:09 AM PST by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: ZULU

It is not really modern vs military ammo. It is bullet weight and pressure.

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/30_ammo.html

You can buy modern ammo that is similar to military although it is still more expensive to shoot. I’m cheap, I shoot the Greek stuff - preferably in the clips - have a ton of them around the house.


24 posted on 12/20/2007 7:51:44 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: mylife

Their website states “The last cease-fire is
at 6:30 PM every night.”

wonder what happened...


25 posted on 12/20/2007 7:51:51 AM PST by Texas Mack
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To: Eaker
I’ll bet this story hits close to home.
26 posted on 12/20/2007 7:59:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Texas Mack

I bet it was dark and he was retrieving a target when some idiot decided to clear his weapon down range.


27 posted on 12/20/2007 8:02:59 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ZULU

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1876362/posts?page=19#19


28 posted on 12/20/2007 8:19:00 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Gun destroyed, but the shooter’s a tough cuss.


29 posted on 12/20/2007 8:20:06 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Eaker

And he is getting used to pain...


30 posted on 12/20/2007 8:22:07 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PeteB570
An M1 Garand will eat through any 30.06 ammo you can fit in the En-bloc clip.

There was some really bad Koren surplus a few years back. Certain lots would split cases and cause all kinds of problems. Most is used up or broken down for components by now, but it occasionally shows up.

31 posted on 12/20/2007 8:22:18 AM PST by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No miss, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: cbkaty

I shoot at this range too and they are extremely strict. I wonder how it happened?


32 posted on 12/20/2007 8:37:22 AM PST by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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Why did the Garand blow up?

Strictly conjecture on my part, but I'd guess "handloaded ammo with a high primer leading to a slamfire".

It's my understanding that early in the life of Garands one was tested with a custom load which was estimated to produce 120,000 psi, roughly twice that of a standard load (probably fired with the gas-cylinder plug removed).

As the story goes, it broke off one of the locking lugs on the bolt, but no other damage. It went on to fire another 5,000 rounds (with the one-lugged bolt) uneventfully.

33 posted on 12/20/2007 9:45:48 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; ZULU
Strictly conjecture on my part, but I'd guess "handloaded ammo with a high primer leading to a slamfire".

Factory Wincheester ammo and a brand new Garand. Training by a former Marine.

34 posted on 12/20/2007 10:03:03 AM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: Eaker

Well that just stinks.

How’d it fail? Chamber blow up, back end of the receiver pop off, or something else?


35 posted on 12/20/2007 10:08:15 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eaker

Brand new Garand?

Like one of those modern reproductions or an original never before fired?


36 posted on 12/20/2007 10:41:52 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: kAcknor

good reason not to shoot gunshow ammo.

M1s were designed for Ball M2 150gr FMJ for
2700 or so fps muzzle velocity. Get away from
these parameters and one is flirting with disaster
or at least a bent op rod.


37 posted on 12/20/2007 10:49:27 AM PST by rahbert
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To: ZULU

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=21


38 posted on 12/20/2007 10:51:57 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mylife
Its dark at 6:40 PM in Dec here in Tx, was this an indoor rifle range?

Actually it is one of the largest outdoor and lighted range in America. It is designed for everything from trap, skeet, pistol, rifle, and high-power long range rifle.

The Range is part of a 6,500 acre County Park, "George Bush Park".

39 posted on 12/20/2007 12:49:10 PM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty

Yes. I have been to that range. I just forgot the name of it.

6:40 in the evening in late Dec doesn’t sound right.
The sunsets at 5:26 in Houston tonight.


40 posted on 12/20/2007 12:57:47 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
6:40 in the evening in late Dec doesn’t sound right. The sunsets at 5:26 in Houston tonight

They are open till 7 PM.

41 posted on 12/20/2007 1:48:38 PM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
On a side note: when did gun shot wounds get classified as “injuries”?

Call me silly, but I would think that ALL gunshot wounds would be classified as an injury. Or knife wounds or skinned knees or broken bones or a cut on the head.

42 posted on 12/20/2007 1:59:24 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: PeteB570
An M1 Garand will eat through any 30.06 ammo you can fit in the En-bloc clip.

Having owned 15 M1's and currently owning 8, I can tell you that your statement is a good way to destroy and M1. There are MANY .30-06 cartridges that are loaded with bullets heavier than 180 grains and powders far too slow for an M1 Garand. As M1 Garands were designed for a specific powder speed and bullet weight, bullets heavier than 180 grains or slow burning powders made for bolt guns will at the very least bend your op rod and possibly break the heel off your receiver.

That said there is a way to safely shoot any commercial cartridge with any bullet weight and powder speed that is made. Simply buy and install an adjustable gas cylinder screw nut that will allow you to bleed off excess pressure and operate the rifle safely. The M1 Garand has a VERY strong bolt and receiver. I have even seen custom Garands in .338 Magnum.

43 posted on 12/20/2007 2:07:59 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I was talking about the 150-170 gr bullets and did mention that the heavier loads could damage the weapon - the operating rod.

I shoot mostly surplus ammo and most of that is in the 150 range although some is up to the 170 range. I don’t do 180.

So far no problems.


44 posted on 12/20/2007 3:22:05 PM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Eaker

6:40 PM.........that range used at night ?

Dark here at 6:40 PM, official sunset at 5:38 PM.....almost an hour later.......pretty dim around that hour after sunset wasn’t it ?

I am just glad YOU are OK !

Saw that title and thought oh crap !........:o)

Stay safe Eeeeek !


45 posted on 12/20/2007 3:51:45 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Tijeras_Slim; TheMom; Eaker

Yep ........thought I was gonna have to go help the Mom fold her confederate flag......:o)


46 posted on 12/20/2007 3:54:05 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: cbkaty; mylife; Eaker

Had same question (#45) before I read down the thread........thanks for the info !

Stay safe and 6 lanes down the firing line from Eaker !.......:o)


47 posted on 12/20/2007 4:00:49 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Eaker

Authorities say they believe the injuries were caused by a rifle.
Sounds like it may not have been self inflicted, more like another poster stated some idiot clearing his weapon after the cease fire.


48 posted on 12/20/2007 4:09:12 PM PST by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: Squantos

6:13 in Dallas right now and it is black outside.


49 posted on 12/20/2007 4:13:42 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: eastforker

Look at the purty muzzle blast.

Prayers for all involved.


50 posted on 12/20/2007 4:16:26 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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