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Shooting accident kills man at Houston gun range
Houston Chronicle ^ | Dec. 20, 2007, 1:38AM | ROBERT CROWE

Posted on 12/20/2007 5:12:50 AM PST by cbkaty

Shooting accident kills man at Houston gun range

A man was fatally shot during an accident at a west Houston gun range, police said.

The 45- to 50-year-old man died after he suffered a gunshot wound to the chest at American Shooting Centers in the 16500 block of Westheimer Parkway, Houston police said.

The incident happened about 6:40 p.m. Authorities say they believe the injuries were caused by a rifle.

No other details were immediately available Wednesday night.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; firearms; gunrange; guns; houston
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To: PeteB570

I bought an original about 1 year ago and haven;t fired it.

I belong to several gun groups on line and posed the question about modern ammo versus military ball ammo in Garands and a number of responders told me hwat you said. A great many others said that the Garand wasn;t desinged to handle the kind of higher pressure commericial ammo available today.

I do know the Greek government still manufacturers military ball ammo for these things and there are suppliers on the net where you can get the stuff.

I had some modern commercial ammo from Winchester and contacted them directly about the safety of using it in an M1 Garand and a M1917 .30-06 caliber WW1 bolt action.
They told me it was safe in the original WW1 bolt action but not in the Garand.

I think that it would be wiser to avoid modern ammo in a Garand, and if you absolutely had to use it, use the lightest weight bullet available - I think its 150 or 160 grains. But it would appear you are still taking a chance on damaging yourself and/or a WW2 piece of history if you use modern ammo in it.

I wouldn;t based on what Winchester told me in an e-mail communication.


21 posted on 12/20/2007 7:29:15 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Was the shooter hurt or the gun damaged badly?

See my response below on modern ammo in Garands.


22 posted on 12/20/2007 7:29:55 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Eaker

That’s horrible Eaker. Are there details yet? Such an odd story.


23 posted on 12/20/2007 7:32:09 AM PST by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: ZULU

It is not really modern vs military ammo. It is bullet weight and pressure.

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/30_ammo.html

You can buy modern ammo that is similar to military although it is still more expensive to shoot. I’m cheap, I shoot the Greek stuff - preferably in the clips - have a ton of them around the house.


24 posted on 12/20/2007 7:51:44 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: mylife

Their website states “The last cease-fire is
at 6:30 PM every night.”

wonder what happened...


25 posted on 12/20/2007 7:51:51 AM PST by Texas Mack
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To: Eaker
I’ll bet this story hits close to home.
26 posted on 12/20/2007 7:59:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Texas Mack

I bet it was dark and he was retrieving a target when some idiot decided to clear his weapon down range.


27 posted on 12/20/2007 8:02:59 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ZULU

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1876362/posts?page=19#19


28 posted on 12/20/2007 8:19:00 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ZULU; Eaker

Gun destroyed, but the shooter’s a tough cuss.


29 posted on 12/20/2007 8:20:06 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Eaker

And he is getting used to pain...


30 posted on 12/20/2007 8:22:07 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PeteB570
An M1 Garand will eat through any 30.06 ammo you can fit in the En-bloc clip.

There was some really bad Koren surplus a few years back. Certain lots would split cases and cause all kinds of problems. Most is used up or broken down for components by now, but it occasionally shows up.

31 posted on 12/20/2007 8:22:18 AM PST by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No miss, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: cbkaty

I shoot at this range too and they are extremely strict. I wonder how it happened?


32 posted on 12/20/2007 8:37:22 AM PST by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: ZULU
Why did the Garand blow up?

Strictly conjecture on my part, but I'd guess "handloaded ammo with a high primer leading to a slamfire".

It's my understanding that early in the life of Garands one was tested with a custom load which was estimated to produce 120,000 psi, roughly twice that of a standard load (probably fired with the gas-cylinder plug removed).

As the story goes, it broke off one of the locking lugs on the bolt, but no other damage. It went on to fire another 5,000 rounds (with the one-lugged bolt) uneventfully.

33 posted on 12/20/2007 9:45:48 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; ZULU
Strictly conjecture on my part, but I'd guess "handloaded ammo with a high primer leading to a slamfire".

Factory Wincheester ammo and a brand new Garand. Training by a former Marine.

34 posted on 12/20/2007 10:03:03 AM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: Eaker

Well that just stinks.

How’d it fail? Chamber blow up, back end of the receiver pop off, or something else?


35 posted on 12/20/2007 10:08:15 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eaker

Brand new Garand?

Like one of those modern reproductions or an original never before fired?


36 posted on 12/20/2007 10:41:52 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: kAcknor

good reason not to shoot gunshow ammo.

M1s were designed for Ball M2 150gr FMJ for
2700 or so fps muzzle velocity. Get away from
these parameters and one is flirting with disaster
or at least a bent op rod.


37 posted on 12/20/2007 10:49:27 AM PST by rahbert
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To: ZULU

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=21


38 posted on 12/20/2007 10:51:57 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mylife
Its dark at 6:40 PM in Dec here in Tx, was this an indoor rifle range?

Actually it is one of the largest outdoor and lighted range in America. It is designed for everything from trap, skeet, pistol, rifle, and high-power long range rifle.

The Range is part of a 6,500 acre County Park, "George Bush Park".

39 posted on 12/20/2007 12:49:10 PM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty

Yes. I have been to that range. I just forgot the name of it.

6:40 in the evening in late Dec doesn’t sound right.
The sunsets at 5:26 in Houston tonight.


40 posted on 12/20/2007 12:57:47 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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