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Transplant Decision Too Late, Teen Dies
http://www.wwj.com/Transplant-Decision-Too-Late--Teen-Dies/1376284 ^ | 12-21-2007

Posted on 12/21/2007 7:42:11 PM PST by Westlander

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www.wwj.com/Transplant-Decision-Too-Late--Teen-Dies/1376284


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: cigna; death; rejected; transplant
www.wwj.com/Transplant-Decision-Too-Late--Teen-Dies/1376284
1 posted on 12/21/2007 7:42:14 PM PST by Westlander
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To: Westlander

There is no civil right to a liver transplant.


2 posted on 12/21/2007 7:44:43 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: DogandPonyShow

If an avowed Alchy like David Crosby can get one.. why could she not be allowed?
I hate the thought of Socialized Medicine but with the Morons we are cropping out of Government Schools and the ridiculous amount of useless Government workers and regulations that contradict each other...
We just have to get Our Act together and get rid of these Unions and these A holes that can’t find their ass from their Elbows!

GRRRRRRRR!


3 posted on 12/21/2007 7:51:39 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: Westlander

RIP.


4 posted on 12/21/2007 7:53:38 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Westlander

The teen was removed from life support systems and died. While the condition had worsened removing a person from life support spells almost certain death.


5 posted on 12/21/2007 8:02:20 PM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: acapesket

Under socialized medicine the kid probably wouldn’t have gotten life support to begin with.

And alcoholism was the least of David Crosby’s toxic ills. He went to prison for smoking crack. He hated his time in prison but he would never have gotten clean if he hadn’t.


6 posted on 12/21/2007 8:03:34 PM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: Westlander
Despite the reversal, CIGNA said in an e-mail statement before she died that there was a lack of medical evidence showing the procedure would work in Nataline's case.

Is it the insurance company who should make this statement, or professional doctors?

I have Cigna and it has become the norm in my home that when a claim is filed, their step one is to deny, then we have to fight tooth and nail. Still trying to rectify a bill from 2006 for Insulin Pump supplies for my juvenile diabetic son. Cigna says the company I purched them from is out of network, even though we called Cigna for verification first and the manufacturer shows them by contract as in network.

And then there is the $72.00 they won't pay because they don't know why I was given oxygen/blood tests in the emergency room last February when I had shortness of breath, heaviness in the lungs, and chest pains.

7 posted on 12/21/2007 8:04:50 PM PST by uptoolate (Two words: Duncan Hunter.)
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To: weegee

Exactly!
LET THE FREE FREAKIN’ MARKET RULE!!


8 posted on 12/21/2007 8:10:09 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: uptoolate

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2003/07/14/newscolumn1.html

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/012406NeglectingComplaints.html

http://www.cignaphysiciansettlement.com/

http://www.my3cents.com/search.cgi?criteria=CIGNA%20Corporation


9 posted on 12/21/2007 8:21:31 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Westlander

Just happen to have these links bookmarked?

Disgruntled Cigna employee, or you’ve been through the Cigna wringer too?


12 posted on 12/21/2007 8:53:50 PM PST by uptoolate (Two words: Duncan Hunter.)
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To: Morgana

There is more to this story. The girl had many other medical problems which made her a bad candidate for the transplant.

I am reserving judgment either way until I learn more facts.


13 posted on 12/21/2007 9:58:12 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: uptoolate

Never a Cigna employee, nor had their insurance. Just used alltheweb.com for some background history. Here’s a goody for you- http://www.insurancenewsnet.com/article.asp?a=top_news&id=77568


14 posted on 12/22/2007 12:26:48 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Jeff Chandler
She had been in a vegetative state for weeks, said her mother, Hilda.

This might have something to do with the decision. The article doesn't have enough information to pass judgment, imo.

15 posted on 12/22/2007 6:35:57 AM PST by McLynnan
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To: DogandPonyShow; All
There is no civil right to a liver transplant.
There is a right to expect insurance companies to meet the obligations of their contract with the insured. Of course she died while the insurance company bickered over the legal details of her policy. On the other hand there is no civil right for stockholders to make a profit, especially by sandbagging patient care decisions.

Just for reference, in 2005 H Edward Hanway, CEO of Cigna, was paid $1 million in Salary, $2.6 million in bonuses. $7.9 million in "other" compensation, and 1.7 million in market gains from the stock the company most likely gave him. I'm glad they were able to save some money on a Liver Transplant so they could pay his meager salary.

16 posted on 12/22/2007 4:55:25 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: weegee
The teen was removed from life support systems and died. While the condition had worsened removing a person from life support spells almost certain death.
People are removed from life support when they have suffered brain death. Otherwise everyone could be kept "alive" indefinitely with modern technology.

I personally leave the blame with insurance company legal hair splitting. The UCLA doctors were able to quote survival rates for this procedure. Just what qualifies a procedure to be "non-experimental"? Maybe it's well reasoned decisions by insurance company bureaucrats.

17 posted on 12/22/2007 5:03:45 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: Morgana

You and the lawyer err.


18 posted on 12/22/2007 5:12:00 PM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools these mortals be!")
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To: Jeff Chandler
There is more to this story. The girl had many other medical problems which made her a bad candidate for the transplant.
Who declared her a bad candidate for a transplant, the doctors at UCLA or the bean counters at Cigna?

The extra part to this story is how the insurance company made a buck by denying her first claim for a liver transplant. She didn't survive the lengthly appeals process to get the benefits she was due. Surprise, surprise.

19 posted on 12/22/2007 5:13:07 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

And what obligation of the insurance contract would that be. She never met the criteria.

Are you trying to say that everything a patient wants has to be granted? That’s sounds like something from fairyland.


20 posted on 12/22/2007 6:45:34 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: DogandPonyShow
And what obligation of the insurance contract would that be. She never met the criteria.
As claimed solely by the insurance company.
Are you trying to say that everything a patient wants has to be granted? That’s sounds like something from fairyland.
It's not a matter of what the patient asked for, it's what the doctors treating her prescribed. She didn't ask for a face lift, she asked for a chance to live. 60% odds of survival aren't that bad.

The only idea from fairyland is that unaccountable corporate bureaucrats should be given free reign to override an extensive array of real medical talent treating the patient. Especially in life and death situations such as this.

Let's face it, they dragged their feet on appeals and the patient died. Not a pretty picture.

21 posted on 12/22/2007 6:59:05 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

You assume facts not evident which makes you suspect.

Doctors prescribe lots of things. Doctors think money grows on trees too. Doesn’t mean one damn thing.


22 posted on 12/22/2007 7:05:51 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: DogandPonyShow
You assume facts not evident which makes you suspect.
I'm sure I'm suspect. I'll let you enlighten everyone about what.
Doctors prescribe lots of things. Doctors think money grows on trees too. Doesn’t mean one damn thing.
So the bean counters are a better judge of patient needs than a team of respected doctors?
23 posted on 12/22/2007 7:12:35 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

Where in ANY insurance contract does it say that they will give you everyting the doctors say?

Cut the crap.


24 posted on 12/22/2007 7:32:27 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: DogandPonyShow
Where in ANY insurance contract does it say that they will give you everyting the doctors say?
No one said it did. But in a life and death case it shouldn't take so long to go through the appeals process that the patient dies.
Cut the crap.
lol
25 posted on 12/22/2007 7:44:30 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

You do not have a command of thefacts. She had been through the appeals process and lost.

Why didn’t those “respected” doctors you speak so highly of do it for her for free or at least agree to do it and then wait for payment?

Or did you expect the insurance clerks to cut her open? LOL!

How dumb is that?


26 posted on 12/22/2007 7:57:56 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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