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Tiger Victim's Mom Talks to Survivor ('We didn't do nothing')
AP ^ | 1/10/08

Posted on 01/10/2008 6:05:07 PM PST by Mr. Brightside

Tiger Victim's Mom Talks to Survivor

5 hours ago

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) — The mother of the teen killed by a tiger at the San Francisco Zoo says one of two friends injured in the attack told her that none of them had done anything to taunt the animal.

Marilza Sousa spoke with Paul Dhaliwal by phone on Monday — their first conversation since the Christmas Day attack, the San Jose Mercury News reported Thursday.

Sousa said Dhaliwal, 19, told her the tiger jumped over the fence while the trio was talking and tore a long gash in his skull before wrapping its jaws around the throat of her 17-year-old son, Carlos Sousa Jr., killing him instantly, the newspaper said.

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"Did you stick anything through the fence or taunt the tiger?" Sousa said she asked Paul Dhaliwal.

"No," he reportedly said. "We never tried to taunt the animal. We were talking, laughing, walking, nothing else."

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The Sousa family had said they called the Dhaliwals several times since the attack trying to learn what happened, but their messages were not returned.

Marilza Sousa said Paul Dhaliwal apologized Monday for not calling sooner. "I didn't know what to say," she says he told her.

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1 posted on 01/10/2008 6:05:10 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

‘We didn’t do nothing’ - Especially when it counted...


2 posted on 01/10/2008 6:25:59 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: rockrr

I suppose you would have picked up your injured brother with one hand and killed the 350 pound tiger with your other hand, while giving life-saving CPR to your friend whose throat was slashed and died instantly.

You da’ man!


3 posted on 01/10/2008 6:32:58 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside
('We didn't do nothing')

Based on your grammar,punk, that must include paying attention in school too.

4 posted on 01/10/2008 6:44:46 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa!)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Thank you!


5 posted on 01/10/2008 7:22:30 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: llevrok

But please don’t upset Mr. Brightside, who is completely obsessed with being convinced these punks did nothing wrong and that the zoo is completely responsible for everything.......despite the fact the only information he has comes from newspaper accounts.


6 posted on 01/10/2008 7:27:03 PM PST by raptor29
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To: raptor29

I have said if the the brothers were drunk and under the influence of marijuana, as reports have claimed, that they should be charged.

But (aside from the fact they were mauled by a tiger due to zoo negligence) they are also victims of a smear campaign by city officials at the zoo and police department.

Many on this forum also blamed them for thier race and (supposed) religion. One of the first posters here called them “muzzie cowards” for not rescuing their friends body from a Siberian tiger. Others wondered if Sousa was here legally. One of the last comments to me claimed that he found it hard to believe them because they are minorities.


7 posted on 01/10/2008 7:48:11 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: raptor29
But please don’t upset Mr. Brightside, who is completely obsessed with being convinced these punks did nothing wrong and that the zoo is completely responsible for everything.......despite the fact the only information he has comes from newspaper accounts.

Well said! He also thinks its fine for children to be brats at the zoo & bug the animals that are there to be looked at & enjoyed not taunted. I still say this story stinks & I doubt the real story will come to light.

I hope the zoo makes changes so the animals are safe from people who think its fine to taunt animals. They need video cameras & more guards to bounce out people who can't stop themselves from being morons.

8 posted on 01/10/2008 8:02:39 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Kulwant Dhaliwal, left, Paul Dhaliwal, right

9 posted on 01/10/2008 8:09:48 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Shyla

zoo ping


10 posted on 01/10/2008 8:10:10 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: pandoraou812

And the bigger issue is, again, the lack of personal responsibility. If a criminal leads police on a 120 mph chase, people like Brightside support the criminal’s complaint when the police are aggressive in subduing him later. No regard for the police life, and not an ounce of consideration given to their fear and the adrenaline they might be pumping after a 20 minute chase at life-threatening speeds. Brightside would say that the police should have been more skilled at shooting out the tires of the criminal’s car to keep him from putting himself and others in jeopardy.

You are right, this story does stink and the full story will never be told. And an institution will take a hit, and the taxpayers will fund the hit, and some assholes will walk away with a settlement, after causing the situation in the first place.


11 posted on 01/10/2008 8:12:03 PM PST by raptor29
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To: pandoraou812
He also thinks its fine for children to be brats at the zoo & bug the animals

The police say there is no evidence the boys 'taunted' the animals. Other than one witness stating she saw them "roar" at the lions, the police have nothing.

You think the enclosures should only be safe enough to hold a tiger that is not "roared" at?

And as long as some kid doesn't "kaw" at the eagle, the cage should keep it in. Right?

Also, the zoo can't be held responsible for any rattlesnake bites if someone "hisses" at the snakes.

I'd hate to live next to a prison you design. "The prison is secure enough to hold in even the most violent prisoner... as long as some kid outside doesn't tease him."

12 posted on 01/10/2008 8:17:50 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: raptor29

Lack of personal responsibility is a two way street.

Zoo officials were warned several times the enclosure was dangerous. Tigers had jumped the moat for decades.

Two years ago a zoo employee complained that tigers were nearly getting out and asked for an inspection by the feds. But zoo officials did nothing.

So yes. Personal responsibility is HUGE here. And zoo officials need to come clean.


13 posted on 01/10/2008 8:21:43 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: blam

Looks like the tiger roughed up Paul’s jacket.


14 posted on 01/10/2008 8:28:08 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Mr. Brightside
I'd hate to live next to a prison you design. "The prison is secure enough to hold in even the most violent prisoner... as long as some kid outside doesn't tease him."

I would hate to live next door to you. You seem to think its dandy to go to a zoo & not enjoy the animals. You want to hiss, caw and roar etc. I think a zoo is a place to go admire & respect animals. They are there to be looked at & observed. Not to be made fun of. If I did have a zoo you wouldn't be welcome.

Goodness don't tell me you now want to go taunt inmates at prisons too? You are just too funny Mr B.S. Shaking my head again at you...Didn't anyone teach you not to taunt animals?

15 posted on 01/10/2008 8:28:19 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: raptor29
I saw that thread too lmao.

I still say the zoo is at fault because they didn't make sure their animals weren't protected from people who think animals are there to be taunted. I feel badly anyone was hurt or died. And yes in the long run the taxpayers take the hit. People who can't behave at the zoo do not belong there. If you can't teach a child to behave or you can't behave the zoo ought to bounce you out just like a bar would.

16 posted on 01/10/2008 8:36:34 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: rockrr; pandoraou812

Double negative. They sure did do something, they just aren’t admitting it. Could hurt their chances with that lawsuit, you know.


17 posted on 01/10/2008 9:41:37 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I think something went on but since there are no video cameras it won’t be proved. I really must be naive because I thought you aren’t supposed to taunt animals, in a zoo or domestic animals. I must be very strange hmm?


18 posted on 01/10/2008 9:50:37 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't taunt the animal's at the zoo or they may bite YOU!)
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To: pandoraou812

I hold to my original contention. Guys that age do not travel in groups that far just to go to the zoo on a Sunday evening because it’s a fun, wholesome, family thing to do. They were looking for trouble and got more than they barginned for.


19 posted on 01/10/2008 10:15:06 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I think that makes quite a bit of sense. I just wish someone would step forward because I am sure someone DID see something or hear something...

However I am mad this zoo doesn't protect it's animals better. I would think all zoo's would have cameras & enough personal to man the zoo properly & make sure the animals are safe.

My children by far were not angels but they all have been taught to respect animals & not mistreat them. And they all behaved when we were out in public. I don't understand people who think its cute to taunt an animal.

20 posted on 01/10/2008 10:22:30 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't taunt the animal's at the zoo or they may bite YOU!)
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To: Mr. Brightside
I have said if the the brothers were drunk and under the influence of marijuana, as reports have claimed, that they should be charged.

But if they were sober it was OK to taunt the animals?

21 posted on 01/10/2008 11:00:18 PM PST by TigersEye (Crusty is as Crusty does.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
But (aside from the fact they were mauled by a tiger due to zoo negligence) they are also victims of a smear campaign by city officials at the zoo and police department.

The police say there is no evidence the boys 'taunted' the animals. Other than one witness stating she saw them "roar" at the lions, the police have nothing.

I take it you believe the police are both egregious liars and paragons of truth.

ROTFLMAO

22 posted on 01/10/2008 11:13:09 PM PST by TigersEye (Crusty is as Crusty does.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
My opinion is, bottom line creatures such as a tiger should not be kept in a cage just for our pleasure in looking at them.

Who knows what happened, whether the kids taunted the tiger intentionally, or they were just animated in the tigers view means nothing now.

The tiger leaped over the moat and the fence, killed one boy and was going after the other two boys.

I say lets leave the tigers in their domain, as is the killer whales, or freedom in other words.

23 posted on 01/11/2008 2:07:52 AM PST by valkyry1 (Thompson/Hunter Hunter/Thompson all the way!)
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To: TigersEye

You must not have followed the story.


24 posted on 01/11/2008 4:15:35 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: pandoraou812

None of us would take our families to the zoo if the enclosures and cages were only strong enough to hold “untaunted” animals. None of us would tolerate prisons that could only keep prisoners who did not get “enraged.”

You know that. I know that.

(Why are we even having this discussion?)


25 posted on 01/11/2008 4:19:03 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: metmom
Guys that age do not travel in groups that far just to go to the zoo on a Sunday evening because it’s a fun, wholesome, family thing to do. They were looking for trouble and got more than they barginned for.

I believe it was a Wednesday.

26 posted on 01/11/2008 4:20:31 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: raptor29
If a criminal leads police on a 120 mph chase, people like Brightside support the criminal’s complaint when the police are aggressive in subduing him later. No regard for the police life, and not an ounce of consideration given to their fear and the adrenaline they might be pumping after a 20 minute chase at life-threatening speeds. Brightside would say that the police should have been more skilled at shooting out the tires of the criminal’s car to keep him from putting himself and others in jeopardy.

Actually, what I would say is that a 100 MPH pursuit of a kid who steals $38 of gasoline is a little too dangerous considering you are chasing him on a winding mountain road in the rain.

And I would bet that the police department will probably issue new guidelines insuring that a life is not wasted like that again.

27 posted on 01/11/2008 4:25:38 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

You must have not been following the story. It happened on Tuesday - Christmas Day in fact.


28 posted on 01/11/2008 5:33:28 AM PST by repinwi
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To: repinwi

She was the one who said it was Sunday.


29 posted on 01/11/2008 5:35:56 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: repinwi

... which is begging the question anyway.

You must also subscribe to the theory that the boys must have been up to no good since they visited a zoo on a Tuesday.


30 posted on 01/11/2008 5:37:54 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

You are getting hammered by most everyone on this site, regarding this issue. Clue in.


31 posted on 01/11/2008 5:46:11 AM PST by raptor29
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To: Mr. Brightside

Tuesday - Christmas Day - A day when the youngest boy who got killed should have been with his mother. If you recall, the boy’s father called the one of the dilly brothers to ask where his son was and they lied. They said they haven’t seen him. When in actuality he was with them at a zoo....50 miles away from home.....on Christmas day.....while his mother waited for him to show up for dinner.


32 posted on 01/11/2008 5:47:31 AM PST by repinwi
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To: raptor29

Yeah... I am getting hammered...

Your side has falsely claimed these boys were guilty because they dangled a leg over... dropped a board or picnic table into the pit to help the tiger escape... dropped a shoe in the moat... used slingshots on the animal and called even them “muzzie cowards” for not attacking 350 pound Siberian tiger barehanded to save their already dead friend.

All you have left is that the brothers “roared” at a lion and missed Christmas dinner with their mother.


33 posted on 01/11/2008 5:54:48 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: repinwi

My confusion. I guess it was the fact that it was not an ordinary day that caused it. But that’s also one thing that sticks out.


34 posted on 01/11/2008 6:07:37 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Hey pal, you don’t have anything. You are sitting there reading newspaper accounts of a story that for most people, is not passing the smell test. Only time anything like this has ever happened in an American zoo in history, no one’s talking, and most people instinctively know something strange happened to cause this situation. And for whatever reason, you have locked in to defend and condemn people with very limited information with which to form your position. And I’ll tell you this. When it all does come out, you better have enough guts to be back on here and take the hammering.


35 posted on 01/11/2008 6:36:02 AM PST by raptor29
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‘We didn’t do nothing’

Based on my extensive background in criminal justice and watching lots of re-runs of "COPS", this is street slang for "We're guilty but don't have a good alibi." See, mystery solved! ;)

36 posted on 01/11/2008 6:42:29 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: raptor29

I will plead guilty to believing the police who claim that the brothers were cooperative and that there is no evidence the brothers committed a crime and that they were cooperative.

And I will plead guilty to not foaming at the mouth with the rest of your “smell test” lynch mob.

Will you ever have the guts to say that you were wrong? Or will you just fade away like the rest?


37 posted on 01/11/2008 6:45:28 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Tijeras_Slim

The problem with your theory is that zoo officials are using the same excuse.

“We didn’t do nothin wrong.”


38 posted on 01/11/2008 6:47:21 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

“I will plead guilty to believing the police who claim that the brothers were cooperative.........”

Because of course, law enforcement regularly gives the media all the information they have regarding an ongoing criminal investigation. Are you kidding me?

“Foaming at the mouth”? Most of the foaming is coming from you, as your over-the-top Kool-Aid defense of these punks (and stop calling them ‘boys’, they left ‘boy’ behind years ago) is the primary reason you are catching as much heat as you are on this thing.


39 posted on 01/11/2008 7:10:33 AM PST by raptor29
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To: Mr. Brightside
(Why are we even having this discussion?)

I have no idea why you think I want the cages not to be secure. I keep posting the same thing to you all the time. The zoo should have been better maintained , it's animals need to be protected from people who can't behave in a respectful manner. That the zoo is at fault for allowing the animal to get out. You keep telling me I am wrong, that it is fine for people to roar, caw & hiss. I keep telling you its NOT. When you agree people ought to respect animals I suppose it will end...How does that sound?

40 posted on 01/11/2008 7:17:50 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't taunt the animal's at the zoo or they may bite YOU!)
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To: pandoraou812

Yes, as a matter of courtesy (not safety) people should not roar at the lions nor hiss at the snakes.


41 posted on 01/11/2008 7:21:52 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside; metmom
I believe it was a Wednesday.

Wasn't it on Christmas day? I believe the young man who died had plans to eat Christmas dinner with his mother.

42 posted on 01/11/2008 7:21:56 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't taunt the animal's at the zoo or they may bite YOU!)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Yes, as a matter of courtesy (not safety) people should not roar at the lions nor hiss at the snakes.

Thank you . I hope you teach your children that too. Now how do you feel about the drive through animal parks? ~Pandora~

43 posted on 01/11/2008 7:29:09 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't taunt the animal's at the zoo or they may bite YOU!)
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To: raptor29

“Onging criminal investigation”?

The police have stated that they will NOT be filing charges against the BROTHERS.

Why would they make that statement if the investigation was “ongoing.” Or is that something you made up?


44 posted on 01/11/2008 7:32:52 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

Well, they’re guilt to then! See how easy it is? ;)


45 posted on 01/11/2008 8:02:02 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Mr. Brightside; TigersEye
Google San Francisco Tiger attack. Since its AP I can't post it. Says they seized personal property that may shed evidence on the attack.

You may also be interested in knowing a 90 pound snow leopard forced an opening through a steel mesh wall on Thursday.

http://www.mercurynews.com/

Just like I've said over & over that zoo needs to be checked out before it is opened. They aren't protecting their animals.

46 posted on 01/11/2008 8:13:34 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't taunt the animal's at the zoo or they may bite YOU!)
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To: pandoraou812

Agreed. Zoos need to protect the 4-legged animals from the 2-legged animals. Better protections would result in greater safety for ALL concerned.

I remain convinced that these bozos taunted the tiger, and probably the lions and who knows how many other animals in the zoo.


47 posted on 01/11/2008 8:50:58 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: pandoraou812

Thanks Pandy.

I am not 100& sure on this one but aren’t the two brothers quite a bit older (and of legal age) than the boy that was killed? Alcohol was involved, correct? At least that is what the reports state.

Of course they did nothing wrong.

/s


48 posted on 01/11/2008 8:53:45 AM PST by Shyla
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To: pandoraou812

Not so strange—maybe more like an adult. I admit to being older than dirt, but as a kid, my parents insisted on good behavior when we went out—even to the zoo, where throwing something into animal cages would have resulted in a good spanking and a prohibition from zoo visits for a lengthy time.


49 posted on 01/11/2008 8:56:22 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
"I will plead guilty to believing the police who claim that the brothers were cooperative and that there is no evidence the brothers committed a crime and that they were cooperative."

Or at least claiming you believe it, if it helps your argument. ;)

Then again, this is San Francisco, and the alleged angelic young lads are of an ethnic heritage that the elite amongst the politically correct would certainly not want to insult. And of course, in SF, it is still in vogue to call police "pigs" and root for the wrong side.

50 posted on 01/11/2008 9:03:54 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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