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Missing (Pregnant) Marine Dead, Authorities Say
KWTX ^ | 1/11/2008 | n/a

Posted on 01/11/2008 9:43:08 AM PST by Pyro7480

January 11, 2008)--Authorities in North Carolina said late Friday morning pregnant Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach is dead.

They said she’s buried in a shallow grave, for which investigators are now searching.

They identified the suspect in the case as a Marine officer whom she accused of sexually assaulting her.

Police earlier were planning to interview a man who lived with her and said he would answer questions that "will shed a lot of light on the case."

Authorities said again Friday Marine Sgt. Daniel Durham isn't a suspect, but police believe he's the last person to speak with the Marine.

She disappeared Dec. 14 ahead of her expected testimony in a military investigation into her claim a senior officer had sexually assaulted her.

Court documents show the investigation went sour amid inconsistencies in the woman's story and allegations that she's bipolar and a compulsive liar.

Search warrants show she was facing a possible discharge from the service.

Lauterbach was eight months pregnant when she disappeared.


TOPICS: Local News; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: camplejeune; laurean; marialautenbach; marine; militarywomen; missing
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To: IamHD; freema; debm29palms; najida; Sue Perkick; All

Exceelent pic of the two trucks, IamHD! Okay, the two trucks look slightly different. It looks like the ATM truck has a two tone color possibly, and the front headlight area looks a little off. The grill looks similar. The “hole” on the front bumper looks exactly the same. Some discrepancy or similarity could be the grainy black/white ATM capture and the reflection of light. What say you all? Anybody know much about trucks and typical features?


1,451 posted on 01/20/2008 4:19:59 PM PST by Girlene
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To: freema

First of all, I honestly believe that at the most, it was Lauren and his wife involved.

However, they were discussing how ugly it looks to have a murdered marine and her baby underneath the fire where a bunch of Marines are partying. A murdered marine who as ostracized and even attached for reporting rape. It looks like some kind of barbaric ritual.

If that doesn’t slap the who USMC in the face, I don’t know what does. The guy actually asked “Were they all celebrating her death? That’s what it looks like.”

EESH.....


1,452 posted on 01/20/2008 4:24:34 PM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: Girlene
I wish that I could fix the truck at the ATM, but I just can't get it any better than that.

Regardless...we know who is responsible and I am confident that they will be punished either now or later. Can you imagine living with something like this for the rest of your life?

1,453 posted on 01/20/2008 4:35:35 PM PST by IamHD
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To: IamHD
I think the two pics are pretty good. It may not be the same truck, but I hope authorities have checked (or will check) out this angle to be sure.

Can you imagine living with something like this for the rest of your life?

Uh, NO! Doesn't look like Christina will have to worry about spending the rest of her life with Cesear. If he's ever found, he'll be in prison.
1,454 posted on 01/20/2008 4:42:59 PM PST by Girlene
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To: IamHD; Girlene

There is more video of the truck at the link posted at #1428. Looking at the reflection of light on the truck makes it more possible.


1,455 posted on 01/20/2008 4:50:08 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: IamHD

I honestly believe Cesar feels like the victim in all this....even now....
He’s sorry it happened in the “It ruined my life, I’m separated from my family” sense, but nah....
Killing Marie?
I promise you in his mind, the b!tch had it comin’.


1,456 posted on 01/20/2008 5:21:45 PM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: najida

Yep...I totally agree with you on that!


1,457 posted on 01/20/2008 5:30:10 PM PST by IamHD
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To: freema

Thank you, freema.


1,458 posted on 01/20/2008 5:30:51 PM PST by IamHD
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To: IamHD
Court documents suggest Laurean's wife could have told police about the murder before her husband fled, but they offer no explanation why she chose to wait.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/BO71387/

1,459 posted on 01/20/2008 5:45:20 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: debm29palms; Girlene

This is awful. The backspace key is my friend. Especially when it comes to the letters N, C, I, and S.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/49714


1,460 posted on 01/20/2008 5:51:30 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: freema

That jumped out at me. I thought that CL told the wife that Maria killed herself?


1,461 posted on 01/20/2008 5:51:57 PM PST by IamHD
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To: freema

Because she like he thought no one would know about the murder, but as the chit began to hit the fan... he fled and she, well,

told them.

But only AFTER he was gone.

Hrmpt.


1,462 posted on 01/20/2008 5:53:25 PM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: freema

Yes, freema, there are some pretty good shots of the truck in Matt Lauer’s piece, post 1428. Good find.


1,463 posted on 01/20/2008 6:02:55 PM PST by Girlene
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To: debm29palms; All

DebM,
Found this posted on this thread post # 212
He is also survived by a son, Bruce (Debbie) Shifflet, Prospect; grandchildren Christina ( Cesar ) Laurean , Jacksonville, N.C., Amber (Tyler) Emrick of Jacksonville, N.C. and Robert Shifflet, Prospect; great-grandchildren Abrianna and Caleb; brothers Dwight Shifflet of Stover, Mo., and John (Mary) Shifflet, Eldon, Mo., and half brothers and sisters Roscoe (Sue) Shifflet, Roger (Cindy) Shifflet, Dale Shifflet, Phyllis Shifflet, Juanita (Larry) Cravener and Gloria (Delmar) Herdman, al of Columbus.

So yep looks as if she might has a sis/bil in Jacksonville. Who was the Maj (I think) that went with her to the sheriff’s office?


1,464 posted on 01/20/2008 6:17:07 PM PST by Lyn_2IDMom
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To: IamHD; najida; Girlene; debm29palms
Lauterbach disappeared back in December days after she met with military prosecutors to discuss allegations that Laurean had raped her.

This is another thing that I touched upon upthread and it was repeated in the report at this link. This meeting was NOT included in the USMC timeline. One can only guess what was said. Is this where the subject of her being discharged was brought into play? If so, I can not imagine that subject would come up at that point in time (8 months into a pregnancy) for the life of me. ESPECIALLY considering there was an empty 5 month span of the pregnancy on that timeline.

1,465 posted on 01/20/2008 6:22:00 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: freema; Girlene; IamHD; All

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=65833101

This is Christina Laurean’s sister’s MySpace page. There’s a pic. It’s private.


1,466 posted on 01/20/2008 6:31:02 PM PST by debm29palms (Proud Wife of SSgt. Donald C. May, Jr. KIA March 25, 2003)
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To: usmcobra; RaceBannon

Did you know this? Maria Lauterbach is the niece of Steve Lauterbach, who was among 52 Americans taken hostage in Iran in 1979.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/10/ddn011008marineinside.html


1,467 posted on 01/20/2008 6:36:14 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: debm29palms

Nice looking couple. God, what a mess.


1,468 posted on 01/20/2008 6:42:08 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: freema

Yes, this last meeting is not specifically addressed even though there is reporting early on about it in print media. It could be a mistake in the reporting, or the military left this out of their timeline. The military isn’t answering any more questions from here on out. I still think they have more answers that haven’t been provided as to a “relationship” between Cesar and Maria. I hope they are not preventing the sheriff’s dept from interviewing people on base to get their own assessment of any relationship or to find more clues. That would be obstruction, IMO.


1,469 posted on 01/20/2008 6:49:42 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/756673/view/topic/Default.aspx


1,470 posted on 01/20/2008 6:59:41 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: freema

1,471 posted on 01/20/2008 11:36:02 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

1,472 posted on 01/20/2008 11:37:35 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald; Girlene; debm29palms

Related?

Arrests Made In Onslow County Murder
Posted: 8:29 PM Jan 20, 2008
Last Updated: 11:47 PM Jan 20, 2008
http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13936022.html


1,473 posted on 01/21/2008 3:16:51 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: freema

More:
http://www.jdnews.com/news/hubert_54518___article.html/wells_arrested.html


1,474 posted on 01/21/2008 4:21:11 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: brityank; maggief; freema; Girlene; sodpoodle; Pyro7480; Virginia Ridgerunner; cripplecreek; ...

Hope you find this link a good source for ALL updates/news articles:

http://search.msn.com/news/results.aspx?q=maria+lauterbach&FORM=EWRE


1,475 posted on 01/21/2008 5:50:31 AM PST by sodpoodle
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To: sodpoodle
Not sure if this was posted earlier...

DA won't seek death penalty if Laurean has to be extradited from Mexico

Caesar Laurean may not face the death penalty.

Onslow County District Attorney Dewey Hudson said he made an agreement on Friday with Mexico that if Laurean is found there and extradited to the United States, he will not face the death penalty if convicted in the killing Lance Cpl. Maria Frances Lauterbach.

“I am not happy with the decision that I had to make and was very reluctant to give up the death penalty,” he said. “However, the agreement only deals with Mexico and no other countries.”

1,476 posted on 01/21/2008 6:31:33 AM PST by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: sodpoodle; freema; debm29palms; Brian S. Fitzgerald; IamHD; All

Thanks for the link, sodpoodle. One piece of this whole case that has been reported quite differently is the relationship between Cesear and Maria. The military has seemingly painted a picture that Maria was not afraid, could not necessarily be believed, and there was an ongoing relationship. They merely tried to make the best of a confusing “he said/she said” situation with little actual facts.

The family, on the other hand, has painted a picture of Maria being afraid, claiming a rape, harrassment, with fear of the actual process required to convict Cesear.

The available evidence currently gives more credibility to Maria’s assertions. She and her baby have been murdered at the hands of the man she accused of rape. The autopsy indicated she was 8 months pregnant which would easily fall within the time frame of the second incident she reported.

Her checkup in late Nov. revealed a baby that was 6 plus pounds. Doing a little research, predicted weight of a 7 month baby is 3 pounds, 5 pounds at 8 months, and 7 pounds at 9 months. So, there is ample information that the baby was closer to her proposed conception from a rape than the military’s proposed May 14 conception date would allow.

One “fact” that has been put out there, with no verification, is that Maria told the military that she no longer thought Cesear was the father. Why would she do this? One theory could be she was afraid Cesear would try to get custody of her baby. Nobody seemed to believe that she had been raped. If it went before a military jury panel, he was the “stellar” Marine, she was only a “solid” Marine, and she had credibility issues. If DNA established that Cesear was the father, and a rape conviction was off the table, then he would have rights to the child. She could have been more afraid of his custodial rights than trying to prove rape charges, which at this point would have been almost impossible to do.


1,477 posted on 01/21/2008 6:43:36 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene
Let me amend that....There's definitely a reason she allegedly told investigators he was not the father. (Applying the same standards as investigators, here.) I feel pretty confident saying she felt threatened by any number of things- custodial issues, investigators, his friends, his wife, him.
1,478 posted on 01/21/2008 7:11:49 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: All

Well, I did it - I called on the video regarding the hand. That was bugging me all weekend and after talking with my son who just returned to Ft Carson from his block leave, he said call.

Of course the person I was connected to isn’t part of the ones working on it, he said it was worth passing on for them to look at a still and study it had they not done so. So wait and see.

I have played around with the truck also, captured and tried to clean up...but it looks as if that is a different one with running boards or chrome on the bottom. Didn’t see either on his truck.


1,479 posted on 01/21/2008 7:56:36 AM PST by Lyn_2IDMom
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To: Lyn_2IDMom
Well, I did it - I called on the video regarding the hand.

Refresh my memory. What video (post #) are you referring to? Thanks!
1,480 posted on 01/21/2008 8:13:49 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Sorry, my post that took over 6 hours to post.....# 1353, 1354 and 1355.


1,481 posted on 01/21/2008 8:26:24 AM PST by Lyn_2IDMom
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To: Lyn_2IDMom

Good job, Lyn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


1,482 posted on 01/21/2008 9:58:59 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: freema

The Hostages and The Casualties
Sixty-six Americans were taken captive when Iranian militants seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran on Nov. 4, 1979, including three who were at the Iranian Foreign Ministry. Six more Americans escaped. Of the 66 who were taken hostage, 13 were released on Nov. 19 and 20, 1979; one was released on July 11, 1980, and the remaining 52 were released on Jan. 20, 1981. Ages in this list are at the time of release.

The 52:

Thomas L. Ahern, Jr., 48, McLean, VA. Narcotics control officer.

Clair Cortland Barnes, 35, Falls Church, VA. Communications specialist.

William E. Belk, 44, West Columbia, SC. Communications and records officer.

Robert O. Blucker, 54, North Little Rock, AR. Economics officer specializing in oil.

Donald J. Cooke, 26, Memphis, TN. Vice consul.

William J. Daugherty, 33, Tulsa, OK. Third secretary of U.S. mission.

Lt. Cmdr. Robert Englemann, 34, Hurst, TX. Naval attaché.

Sgt. William Gallegos, 22, Pueblo, CO. Marine guard.

Bruce W. German, 44, Rockville, MD. Budget officer.

Duane L. Gillette, 24, Columbia, PA. Navy communications and intelligence specialist.

Alan B. Golancinksi, 30, Silver Spring, MD. Security officer.

John E. Graves, 53, Reston, VA. Public affairs officer.

Joseph M. Hall, 32, Elyria, OH. Military attaché with warrant officer rank.

Sgt. Kevin J. Hermening, 21, Oak Creek, WI. Marine guard.

Sgt. 1st Class Donald R. Hohman, 38, Frankfurt, West Germany. Army medic.

Col. Leland J. Holland, 53, Laurel, MD. Military attaché.

Michael Howland, 34, Alexandria, VA. Security aide, one of three held in Iranian Foreign Ministry.

Charles A. Jones, Jr., 40, Communications specialist and teletype operator. Only African-American hostage not released in November 1979.

Malcolm Kalp, 42, Fairfax, VA. Position unknown.

Moorhead C. Kennedy Jr., 50, Washington, DC. Economic and commercial officer.

William F. Keough, Jr., 50, Brookline, MA. Superintendent of American School in Islamabad, Pakistan, visiting Tehran at time of embassy seizure.

Cpl. Steven W. Kirtley, 22, Little Rock, AR. Marine guard.

Kathryn L. Koob, 42, Fairfax, VA. Embassy cultural officer; one of two women hostages.

Frederick Lee Kupke, 34, Francesville, IN. Communications officer and electronics specialist.

L. Bruce Laingen, 58, Bethesda, MD. Chargé d’affaires. One of three held in Iranian Foreign Ministry.

Steven Lauterbach, 29, North Dayton, OH. Administrative officer.

Gary E. Lee, 37, Falls Church, VA. Administrative officer.

Sgt. Paul Edward Lewis, 23, Homer, IL. Marine guard.

John W. Limbert, Jr., 37, Washington, DC. Political officer.

Sgt. James M. Lopez, 22, Globe, AZ. Marine guard.

Sgt. John D. McKeel, Jr., 27, Balch Springs, TX. Marine guard.

Michael J. Metrinko, 34, Olyphant, PA. Political officer.

Jerry J. Miele, 42, Mt. Pleasant, PA. Communications officer.

Staff Sgt. Michael E. Moeller, 31, Quantico, VA. Head of Marine guard unit.

Bert C. Moore, 45, Mount Vernon, OH. Counselor for administration.

Richard H. Morefield, 51, San Diego, CA. U.S. Consul General in Tehran.

Capt. Paul M. Needham, Jr., 30, Bellevue, NE. Air Force logistics staff officer.

Robert C. Ode, 65, Sun City, AZ. Retired Foreign Service officer on temporary duty in Tehran.

Sgt. Gregory A. Persinger, 23, Seaford, DE. Marine guard.

Jerry Plotkin, 45, Sherman Oaks, CA. Private businessman visiting Tehran.

MSgt. Regis Ragan, 38, Johnstown, PA. Army noncom, assigned to defense attaché’s officer.

Lt. Col. David M. Roeder, 41, Alexandria, VA. Deputy Air Force attaché.

Barry M. Rosen, 36, Brooklyn, NY. Press attaché.

William B. Royer, Jr., 49, Houston, TX. Assistant director of Iran-American Society.

Col. Thomas E. Schaefer, 50, Tacoma, WA. Air Force attaché.

Col. Charles W. Scott, 48, Stone Mountain, GA. Army officer, military attaché.

Cmdr. Donald A. Sharer, 40, Chesapeake, VA. Naval air attaché.

Sgt. Rodney V. (Rocky) Sickmann, 22, Krakow, MO. Marine Guard.

Staff Sgt. Joseph Subic, Jr., 23, Redford Township, MI. Military policeman (Army) on defense attaché’s staff.

Elizabeth Ann Swift, 40, Washington, DC. Chief of embassy’s political section; one of two women hostages.

Victor L. Tomseth, 39, Springfield, OR. Senior political officer; one of three held in Iranian Foreign Ministry.

Phillip R. Ward, 40, Culpeper, VA. Administrative officer.

One hostage was freed July 11, 1980, because of an illness later diagnosed as multiple sclerosis:

Richard I. Queen, 28, New York, NY. Vice consul.

Six American diplomats avoided capture when the embassy was seized. For three months they were sheltered at the Canadian and Swedish embassies in Tehran. On Jan. 28, 1980, they fled Iran using Canadian passports:

Robert Anders, 34, Port Charlotte, FL. Consular officer.
Mark J. Lijek, 29, Falls Church, VA. Consular officer.
Cora A. Lijek, 25, Falls Church, VA. Consular assistant.
Henry L. Schatz, 31, Coeur d’Alene, ID. Agriculture attaché.
Joseph D. Stafford, 29, Crossville, TN. Consular officer.
Kathleen F. Stafford, 28, Crossville, TN. Consular assistant.

Thirteen women and African-Americans among the Americans who were seized at the embassy were released on Nov. 19 and 20, 1979:

Kathy Gross, 22, Cambridge Springs, PA. Secretary.
Sgt. James Hughes, 30, Langley Air Force Base, VA. Air Force administrative manager.
Lillian Johnson, 32, Elmont, NY. Secretary.
Sgt. Ladell Maples, 23, Earle, AR. Marine guard.
Elizabeth Montagne, 42, Calumet City, IL. Secretary.
Sgt. William Quarles, 23, Washington, DC. Marine guard.
Lloyd Rollins, 40, Alexandria, VA. Administrative officer.
Capt. Neal (Terry) Robinson, 30, Houston, TX. Administrative officer.
Terri Tedford, 24, South San Francisco, CA. Secretary.
Sgt. Joseph Vincent, 42, New Orleans, LA. Air Force administrative manager.
Sgt. David Walker, 25, Hampton, TX. Marine guard.
Joan Walsh, 33, Ogden, UT. Secretary.
Cpl. Wesley Williams, 24, Albany, NY. Marine guard.

Eight U.S. servicemen from the all-volunteer Joint Special Operations Group were killed in the Great Salt Desert near Tabas, Iran, on April 25, 1980, in the aborted attempt to rescue the American hostages:

Capt. Richard L. Bakke, 34, Long Beach, CA. Air Force.
Sgt. John D. Harvey, 21, Roanoke, VA. Marine Corps.
Cpl. George N. Holmes, Jr., 22, Pine Bluff, AR. Marine Corps.
Staff Sgt. Dewey L. Johnson, 32, Jacksonville, NC. Marine Corps.
Capt. Harold L. Lewis, 35, Mansfield, CT. Air Force.
Tech. Sgt. Joel C. Mayo, 34, Bonifay, FL. Air Force.
Capt. Lynn D. McIntosh, 33, Valdosta, GA. Air Force.
Capt. Charles T. McMillan II, 28, Corrytown, TN. Air Force.

This list was adapted from information in Free At Last by Doyle McManus.


1,483 posted on 01/21/2008 10:27:31 AM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: freema

I have tried to post the pic here but can’t get it to work. Sent it private email to Deb, hopefully she can do it. I am off to work and don’t have time to piddle any more ;(.

Also followed up with email and pic to Sutherland, he emailed back saying could not discuss but looking at all angles.

The more I dissect that ATM pic the more I see.....Deb please see what you can do with....Thanks Lyn, till tonight


1,484 posted on 01/21/2008 10:41:28 AM PST by Lyn_2IDMom
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To: RaceBannon; usmcobra

Thank you, dearheart.


1,485 posted on 01/21/2008 10:48:47 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: RaceBannon; usmcobra
Steve Lauterbach was one of three (including Kevin Hermening, the youngest Marine on duty at 20 and Joe Subic a 23 year old Army Military Policeman) to attempt escape. http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:bFFGBUDJJ1QJ:www.command-post.org/oped/2_archives/016250.html+steve+lauterbach+iran+hostage&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:ZXB_URZXeOoJ:www.theatlantic.com/doc/200512/december-1979/3+steve+lauterbach+iran+hostage&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us And of course, last but certainly by far not the least: http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/id1.html

1,486 posted on 01/21/2008 11:24:54 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: Lyn_2IDMom; debm29palms

That deb, she’s probably taking a nap or doing her nails.

Again, extraordinary job, Lyn.


1,487 posted on 01/21/2008 11:26:58 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: RaceBannon

Ha! Hate to say this, under the circumstances of this thread and the posting of names of so many heroes - but, I once had a blind date with an attorney who told me he was one of those “Six American diplomats who avoided capture” by being smuggled out by Canadians.

Guess what! His name’s not on there. What a jerk - he had a whole long spiel about the entire experience, for anyone who would listen. Wow, I would’ve never looked it up, so thanks for the “insight”!


1,488 posted on 01/21/2008 11:27:27 AM PST by Rte66
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To: freema; Lyn_2IDMom; Girlene; sodpoodle; IamHD; NCjim; RaceBannon; All
Ok you guys, here is Lyn's still. She did some great work here!!! NOTICE HIS HAND HAS SOMETHING IN IT! Photobucket And freema.....you are just a hoot woman :P I was at Walmart getting supplies for a science project! Nails? I WISH!!!
1,489 posted on 01/21/2008 11:36:33 AM PST by debm29palms (Proud Wife of SSgt. Donald C. May, Jr. KIA March 25, 2003)
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To: debm29palms

Thanks for posting that pic! I wasn’t able to find the video. It sure does look like a woman’s hand coming in from the side.


1,490 posted on 01/21/2008 11:46:50 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: debm29palms

Plus, the hand with the rag is a right hand. He is holding something in HIS right hand. So unless he has two right hands, it’s someone else’s hand.


1,491 posted on 01/21/2008 11:48:30 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams; Lyn_2IDMom

Yep. Lyn_2IDMom was too clever :) Good on her to catch this, huh? I’m hoping it sheds some new light into what really happened...and more importantly, if someone else was involved they should be found as well!


1,492 posted on 01/21/2008 11:53:42 AM PST by debm29palms (Proud Wife of SSgt. Donald C. May, Jr. KIA March 25, 2003)
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To: debm29palms; Abigail Adams; Lyn_2IDMom

So, he either has two right hands and one has been visiting deb’s manicurist, or we’ve got an accomplice.

Those long fingers of the law.


1,493 posted on 01/21/2008 12:46:14 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: debm29palms; Abigail Adams; Lyn_2IDMom

Or is it the long arm of the law.


1,494 posted on 01/21/2008 12:46:37 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: debm29palms

Doing a project on genetic abnormalities as it pertains to two right hands?

: )


1,495 posted on 01/21/2008 12:48:50 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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It’s just not the long fingers and all......

If both of his hands are full did he use his mouth for the transaction???


1,496 posted on 01/21/2008 12:51:35 PM PST by debm29palms (Proud Wife of SSgt. Donald C. May, Jr. KIA March 25, 2003)
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Well, now, I hadn't thought about that. He has managed to outwit a certain investigative agency. I suppose he could be slick enough to operate the ATM with his mouth!
1,497 posted on 01/21/2008 12:55:19 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13951317.html

Paint, Inside Laurean's Home and ATMs Save Email Print Posted: 3:39 PM Jan 21, 2008

Last Updated: 3:46 PM Jan 21, 2008

A ATM surveillance video and photos from a fire pit and inside Cesar Laurean's home are being released today by the Onslow County Sheriff's Office.

Laurean, a Camp Lejeune Marine, has been on the run since January 11. He is accused in the death of 20-year-old Maria Lauterbach, a Camp Lejeune Marine who was eight-and-a-half months pregnant when she disappeared. Lauterbach's remains and those of her unborn child were found buried in Laurean's backyard.

Captain Rick Sutherland says the photo of the fire pit was what officials saw when they entered the backyard on January 11, before they knew Lauterbach's body was buried there.

The Sheriff's Office also released images of paint, paint cans and materials in Laurean's garage. Sutherland believe Laurean purchased these items in Jacksonville on December 16 or December 24.

The Sheriff's Office also released ATM surveillance video, which shows both Laurean and Lauterbach making withdrawals in Jacksonville.

Testing is still underway at the State Bureau of Investigation crime lab in Raleigh to determine the murder weapon. Some reports indicated a crowbar was used. The medical examiner cited blunt force trauma to the head for Lauterbach's death.

1,498 posted on 01/21/2008 1:03:43 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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Deb, it can get warm in Jacksonville even in December - I haven’t been there in a while. Just wondering how warm it was at the time we see CL using the ATM. Thanks.


1,499 posted on 01/21/2008 1:07:52 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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Before Christmas it was unseasonably warm. Right before. I was afraid it was going to be in the 70s and not feel like Christmas. That's why he is wearing a short sleeved tee shirt. And the hat would even be OK too. He wouldn't have looked out of place is what I'm trying to say.
1,500 posted on 01/21/2008 1:12:25 PM PST by debm29palms (Proud Wife of SSgt. Donald C. May, Jr. KIA March 25, 2003)
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