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Fully patched PCs are a rare breed
theregister.co.uk ^ | Wednesday 9th January 2008 19:08 GMT | John Leyden

Posted on 01/21/2008 11:25:06 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

A small minority of users - as few as one in 20 - is running fully-patched Windows PCs.

Just five per cent of newly-registered users of an online security inspection service Secunia came out with a clean bill of health, while more than 40 per cent have at least 11 insecure applications installed.

The data is based on scans of 20,009 computers whose users recently installed Secunia's freely available software inspection tool. Secunia claims a total user base of more than 200,000 users for its free Secunia PSI tool. A survey of a different sample set of Secunia PSI recently discovered that one in five software apps installed on computers are insecure or out of date.

The Danish security firm said stats from its service show users are struggling to keep their PCs up to date. "Patching a PC is as important as running anti-virus and a personal firewall," said Thomas Kristensen, Secunia's CTO. ®


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KEYWORDS: cybersecurity; malware; spyware
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1 posted on 01/21/2008 11:25:07 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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I’m going to include several things on this thread...cause the Bad Guys are up to some new tricks that last years anti spyware may not be catching...


2 posted on 01/21/2008 11:26:38 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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This seems to be a recent item...

Microsoft plugs 'critical' hole in Vista
'Secure Development Lifecycle' only goes so far
By Dan Goodin in San Francisco → More by this author
Published Tuesday 8th January 2008 19:58 GMT

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Microsoft on Tuesday issued two security updates, one of them rated critical that fixes nasty bugs in Windows Vista that could allow an attacker to gain complete control over a user's machine.

The patch, which also applies to the XP, 2003 Server and 2000 versions of Windows, plugs two holes in the way the operating systems process Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol (TCP/IP). Attackers could exploit them to remotely execute malicious code without requiring any user interaction.

Windows Vista was the first OS to be spawned from Microsoft's Security Development Lifecycle, a process designed to produce more secure products. The bugs addressed by Microsoft Security Bulletin MS08-001 are evidence that the program doesn't always work as advertised. The vulnerabilities are rated "critical" in Vista and XP. By contrast, they are described as only "moderate" in Windows 2000 and "important" in Windows 2003.

Redmond issued a separate patch for 2000, 2003 and XP versions of Windows for a bug rated "important." It affected the Windows Local Security Authority Subsystem Service (LSASS) and allowed attackers to run arbitrary code with elevated privileges. Vista is not susceptible. ®

3 posted on 01/21/2008 11:29:48 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Might look at this link:

WELCOME TO iDEFENSE LABS

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Welcome to iDefense Labs. This website is dedicated to Vulnerability, Malicious Code and Cyber Threat research. It supports the iDefense Research Teams and provides tools and resources for independent security researchers.

//  Microsoft Security Bulletin: January 2008
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01.08.08
Microsoft Corp. has released two security bulletins encompassing three vulnerabilities. This report provides an initial summary of these pending issues.

Read more..


4 posted on 01/21/2008 11:33:57 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It’s impossible to fully patch a windows PC and still have a usable system. I could double my staff and still not be able to test all of Microsoft’s patches and then roll them out to my users. If you download and apply every patch they put out then you are rebooting constantly. It is much easier to keep your firewall/anti-virus/spyware/other filters up to date, keep clean fire resistant underwear handy at all times, and hope for the best.


5 posted on 01/21/2008 11:37:54 AM PST by mikesmad
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Now a link to an older article which cannot be posted here.

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So, You Think You've Got Spyware?
05.30.07
Neil J. Rubenking

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But I don't think he says anything about the new and Nasty ...Rootkits....I will drop some stuff on that next here.......

6 posted on 01/21/2008 11:38:48 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: mikesmad

Well...the latest is really bad news since it comes in to the system in a new way...notes at post #3.


7 posted on 01/21/2008 11:40:49 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: mikesmad
It’s impossible to fully patch a windows PC and still have a usable system.

Microsoft has an XP Service Pack 3 beta out. Someone on a tech website touted it as upping XP's performance. I downloaded and installed it. XP on reboot ran considerably slower than without it. I happily went back to my old configuration. And Vista will never touch this hardware.

8 posted on 01/21/2008 11:44:47 AM PST by bcsco (Tag space for rent: "aPaulogists" need not apply.)
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To: All; Aristotelian
Now for the recent NEWS...FR thread:

Warning on stealthy Windows virus
BBC News ^ | 11 January 2008
Posted on 01/11/2008 9:40:46 AM PST by Aristotelian

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Security experts are warning about a stealthy Windows virus that steals login details for online bank accounts. In the last month, the malicious program has racked up about 5,000 victims - most of whom are in Europe.

Many are falling victim via booby-trapped websites that use vulnerabilities in Microsoft's browser to install the attack code.

Experts say the virus is dangerous because it buries itself deep inside Windows to avoid detection.

Old tricks

The malicious program is a type of virus known as a rootkit and it tries to overwrite part of a computer's hard drive called the Master Boot Record (MBR).

This is where a computer looks when it is switched on for information about the operating system it will be running.

"If you can control the MBR, you can control the operating system and therefore the computer it resides on," wrote Elia Florio on security company Symantec's blog.

Mr Florio pointed out that many viruses dating from the days before Windows used the Master Boot Record to get a grip on a computer.

Once installed the virus, dubbed Mebroot by Symantec, usually downloads other malicious programs, such as keyloggers, to do the work of stealing confidential information.

Most of these associated programs lie in wait on a machine until its owner logs in to the online banking systems of one of more than 900 financial institutions.

The Russian virus-writing group behind Mebroot is thought to have created the torpig family of viruses that are known to have been installed on more than 200,000 systems. This group specialises in stealing bank login information.

9 posted on 01/21/2008 11:45:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All; stlnative
From post #15 at the FR thread linked just above.....

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~SNIP~ Independent security firm GMER has produced a utility that will scan and remove the stealthy program ~SNIP~

GMER HERE...

http://www.gmer.net/index.php

10 posted on 01/21/2008 11:49:35 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: ShadowAce

fyi


11 posted on 01/21/2008 11:50:56 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All
Another Link...that started me on posting this whole thread:

IT News Digest
Host: Sonja Thompson, News Editor
Sites spewing Trojans stump security researchers

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The Register reports on a large scale outbreak of malicious attacks originating from several hundred sites.

An excerpt from Register:

Over the past four days, 15 per cent of the blocked malicious traffic has come from just a few hundred sites, which appear to be legitimate ecommerce destinations that have been compromised by attackers. This prompted Landesman to do some digging, and what she uncovered is unlike anything she’s seen before.

For one thing, the sites themselves are hosting the malware, which is then foisted on visitors. Most of the time attackers are unable to gain such a high degree of control over the sites they hack, so they redirect end users to servers under the control of bad guys and use them to drop malicious payloads.

The sites are hosted on different servers, and no direct link has been found between them. Researchers have found the Trojan spewed by the sites to be of a Rbot type with only three anti-viruses being able to detect it (Kaspersky is one among them).

12 posted on 01/21/2008 11:56:59 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: bcsco

Wait until the final patch is out, then wait a little longer, then check to see if anyone is having problems, then download on a test machine, the apply to just a few machines, then wait a little longer. Does it work as Microsoft advertises after all of this? If the answer is yes, forget that patch because the one that supercedes it has already been released, so start over again.


13 posted on 01/21/2008 12:03:05 PM PST by mikesmad
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From the comments at the article I just linked to above....post #12...

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Sites spewing trojans, stump security researchers
Discussion - Post 60 of 61

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If I have to do it manually
I usually physically disconnect from the 'net while doing this, so nothing new can be downloaded.

I can usually find the files with a scanner from one (or more) of the anti-spyware or anti-trojan utils. Then I start eyeballing. Windows, system32, system, and that Web directory, or whatever it is, in the Windows directory. Check any dir that scanners show malware to be in.

I also have booted into safe mode command prompt, gone to the infected directories, and done an 'attrib' + pause to make sure I am seeing all the bad files.

Once you know where all this junk is, use msconfig or edit the reg to make sure nothing evil is set to start on boot.

Now, the problem is that the rootkitted junk starts with winlogin and lsass, so safe mode or command prompt don't help. What you can do for this is: get Avira NTFS4DOS and create a disk with it that you can use to start the system in real DOS and still access the NT filesystem. Another option is to download and burn the Knoppix live CD, and you can use one of the file managers available at boot time to access your drive.

Then go on your deletion spree.

FixMBR isn't a bad idea, if something is hiding in the MBR, that's the only way to kill it that I know of.

Reboot and clean out the reg repeatedly, until nothing comes up on the scan. Scan with your anti-evil-stuff utils again. I like to manually search the reg for any references to the malware filenames. Make sure no new startup entries have shown up with msconfig, a startup utility you like, or manually checking the reg.

If everything seems cool on reboot, and something like the Tea Timer in Spybots S&D detects nothing bad wanting to write to the reg, hook back up to the 'net and see what happens.

If you like, I can post my list of utils, sites, and walk-you through-it forums.

So, maybe that is more than you wanted, but I'm just trying to cover the bases so that you don't have to do anything twice.

When I had to do it that way, it was because stuff wouldn't delete on reboot, even with good tools including the smitfraud fix. If the rootkit is loading with winlogin or lsass, it is locked by the system before anything can kill it.
Posted: 01/20/2008 @ 07:50 PM (PST)
seanferd    

14 posted on 01/21/2008 12:03:43 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: mikesmad

Oh, yes. The ol’ Microsoft update rules. I’d forgotten them. How silly of me.


15 posted on 01/21/2008 12:10:21 PM PST by bcsco (Tag space for rent: "aPaulogists" need not apply.)
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Now back to the MBR:

fix the mbr without FIXMBR?

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Does anybody know how to restore a windows MBR without using the recovery console on the windows CD?

Namely, I am getting tired of the dual boot thing, and I want to take GNU/Linux off of one of my boxen in favor of XP only. Normally I would simply put the recovery CD in and use the FIXMBR command. However, the manufacturer of this particular machine (asus), in what appears to be an attempt to combat "piracy", has replaced the standard windows setup with their own application that pretty much copies a pre-made disk image to the hard drive and lacks all the windows recovery utilities

16 posted on 01/21/2008 12:13:43 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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From comments on the Forum linked at post #16.

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I think the Ultimate Boot CD also has quite a few MBR tools you can try (including TestDisk).

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There were a couple of Linux rescue Kits just released...Trinity and SystemRescueCd 0.4.3....not sure what they have included....

17 posted on 01/21/2008 12:18:30 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Trinity Rescue Kit

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Trinity Rescue Kit (TRK) is a bootable Linux distribution aimed specifically at offline operations for Windows and Linux systems such as rescue, repair, password resets and cloning. It has custom tools to easily recover deleted files, clone Windows installations over the network, perform antivirus sweeps with two different antivirus products, reset windows passwords, read and write on NTFS partitions, edit partition layout and much much more. Trinity Rescue Kit is mostly based on Mandriva Linux and heavily adapted start-up scripts.

18 posted on 01/21/2008 12:23:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Not sure if this one does Windows:

Chkrootkit is a tool to locally check for signs of a rootkit.

19 posted on 01/21/2008 1:29:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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From ZDNET:

January 17th, 2008
Don’t dawdle on Microsoft latest batch of patches

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Simply put, Microsoft didn’t have a lot of patches to kick off 2008, but the ones it delivered shouldn’t be ignored.

Naturally there are complications. The biggest one is that this patch may not be easy to install.

Holly Stewart at IBM ISS sums it up:

MS08-001 poses some unique problems from a remediation and protection standpoint. First of all, you have the update itself. It changes the core TCP/IP driver, and does so for a very good reason. If you don’t already know the severity of CVE-2007-0069 patched in MS08-001, let me just say a few words here…

* affects all currently supported Microsoft operating systems
* on by default except on 2003 Server
* remotely exploitable
* requires no user interaction

This equals bad.

In addition, this patch may break your apps.

Stewart writes:

Although I’m sure Microsoft has quality standards way beyond my wildest QA department fantasy, and I know they have a huge lab and excellent program dedicated to interoperability, it is difficult to predict how driver changes will interact with everything. If I were a customer running a network with a lot of home-grown apps that tapped into network drivers, this update would scare the bejesus out of me.

Scary your not, you need to take this Microsoft patch batch seriously. That said, I don’t envy IT folks that have to implement this patch. Critical patch and broken apps could be ahead.

20 posted on 01/21/2008 1:51:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ohh, thank you Ernest! Bookmarking this thread!


21 posted on 01/21/2008 2:03:48 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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*Bookmark*


22 posted on 01/21/2008 2:13:43 PM PST by girlscout
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To: potlatch
Hey, hope it helps in at least understanding ....what the bad guys are up to.

I think at some point everyone is going to have to have two computers...one for their personal financial data that only goes on the internet rarely and one that they use for internet browsing....with some of the KVM switches it isn't near that expensive now....

I think this is the one I have....has an audio switch capability:

IOGEAR GCS612A 2-Port PS/2 KVM switch build-in cables and audio support - Retail

$29.99 3 Business Day Shipping $6.54

23 posted on 01/21/2008 2:37:01 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; devolve

As a woman, I do pretty well at maintaining my own Dell computer so I am always on the lookout for reliable news.

Have a laptop now too but I elected to stay with XP rather than Vista. Hope I won’t be sorry in the future.


24 posted on 01/21/2008 2:41:35 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: potlatch

Do you have personal stuff on both?


25 posted on 01/21/2008 2:50:06 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; devolve

[Do you have personal stuff on both?]

No. As a matter of fact I don’t do any banking or bill paying on the computer but have bought things on the internet.

So none of my personal information regarding those things is ‘in’ my computer.

But, I have over 12 thousand graphics and umpteen megs of music if they want to steal them, lol.

My new laptop is pretty bare right now.


26 posted on 01/21/2008 2:55:07 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: potlatch
But, I have over 12 thousand graphics and umpteen megs of music if they want to steal them, lol.

Watch out for the RIAA.... Recording Industry Association of America.

27 posted on 01/21/2008 3:08:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: potlatch

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My MSFT WebTV-Plus is cooking with all viruses & trojans filtered out at the MSN servers in Southern California

Now if I can just jump from my 56K dialup (now on fiberoptic-cable by Optimum) to the Motorola modem here I’ll connect 10 times faster - 5 times faster that DSL


28 posted on 01/21/2008 3:09:32 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: potlatch
OT...You collecting any of these:


29 posted on 01/21/2008 3:12:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: devolve

I hope you get that faster connection, lol, but we won’t get into the ‘no virus and trojans’ bit AGAIN!!!


30 posted on 01/21/2008 3:13:43 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; devolve

[Watch out for the RIAA....]

Oh no, I don’t download from any of those ‘file sharing’ sites. I go to AltaVista and find my music, usually in WAV file format but it sounds great and records to CD and DVDs really well.


31 posted on 01/21/2008 3:16:55 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: devolve

Are we neighbors?


32 posted on 01/21/2008 3:18:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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.


33 posted on 01/21/2008 3:19:16 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: devolve; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Lol, cute. I create a lot of graphics and do a lot of animation.


34 posted on 01/21/2008 3:29:44 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: potlatch
LOL!

I know that feeling....I have a menagerie of computers some of which are acting sickly recently....

35 posted on 01/21/2008 3:35:07 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: potlatch

I’m out of here...to get a bite to eat and some repairs....


36 posted on 01/21/2008 3:41:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Lol, have fun.


37 posted on 01/21/2008 3:43:42 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; potlatch

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No - Not a SoCal neighbor

All WebTV & MSN-TV users have info stored in the MSN servers in SoCal
No hard drive on WebTV or MSN-TV (newer/smaller set-top but not as good as the earlier WebTV-Plus like mine)


38 posted on 01/21/2008 3:51:59 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: devolve

You have probably mentioned to me that the MSN servers are in SoCal. I didn’t recall that.


39 posted on 01/21/2008 4:12:21 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: potlatch

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Smaller simpler PCs are the future
Integrated with interactive TVs


40 posted on 01/21/2008 4:22:52 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have all my Linux boxes set for auto updates. Heck even the wife switched to Ubuntu, she says the games are better ... They are never more than a day out of date. All free, the best part :-)


41 posted on 01/21/2008 4:24:31 PM PST by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: devolve

Smaller simpler PCs are the future.

They are here JB!! One of my grandsons got a cellphone with built in computer and I can’t recall the name. You and I are not ‘up’ on all the latest things now!!


42 posted on 01/21/2008 4:32:29 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: potlatch
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You know what I think of cellphones

With or without tiny screens and text messaging

Huge plasma wall TV screens at home
Mini screens & keys on cellphones

Phoning while walking on a sidewalk or in a store

Getting calls in restaurants and talking VERY LOUDLY for all to here

A strange social life and need to be in contact all the time

A sick new society that will only get more weird

Optometrists love those tiny screens

43 posted on 01/21/2008 4:42:46 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: devolve

[Optometrists love those tiny screens]

And so do the very young people and they are very adept with them. They may have more trouble once they pass 40yrs and need some reading glasses to see the tiny keys, lol.


44 posted on 01/21/2008 4:46:21 PM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

45 posted on 01/22/2008 5:46:32 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This brings up a question, why are we using decades-old MBR?


46 posted on 01/22/2008 6:14:01 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: potlatch
Smaller simpler PCs are the future.

I just bought myself one of these! Ordering another one this week for my son.

47 posted on 01/22/2008 6:50:09 AM PST by shorty_harris
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’d be interested to know the OS of these otherwise legitimate servers that were hosting the malware. Is it just another windows hack, or is it something more serious?


48 posted on 01/22/2008 7:25:00 AM PST by zeugma (Hillary! - America's Ex-Wife!)
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To: shorty_harris
Me, too! (be sure to update the BIOS using the "Add Software" icon under "System")
49 posted on 01/22/2008 7:35:39 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: zeugma

Yes, that would be good to know.....


50 posted on 01/22/2008 12:48:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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