Posted on 02/01/2008 7:45:31 PM PST by Bruce 22-250
Warning graphic pictures of animals killed by wolves. Here is the truth with what living with wolves is really like. If you have a weak stomach don't view some very brutal pictures.
It’s like I always tell the PeTA types, “When animals stop attacking and eating each other for food, get back to me.”
Got any movies of slaughter houses?
What the heck is the point?
Wolves are cool.
Not my movie I am just posting it for people to look at.
slaughter houses? What are you talking about?
Remember, the wimpiest looking Yorkie is still a wolf.
I side with the ranchers and farmers completely.
But I think it is a little silly to talk about the cute little calves, and how they deserve the right to live and such...
After all, we just chop em up and eat em too. I side with the ranchers and farmers because it is their livelihood and property, not because I think some poor little innocent calf should be able to live in peace...I thought that was a little funny...
exactly why are we allowing these predators to put ranchers out of business?
Welcome to FR.
Wow, it’s like they are carnivores that eat flesh to survive!
Who would have thought?
Whoever made that video is an ignoramus. As a zoology major, I will say that wolves do NOT kill for sport, they kill for food, just like every other predator. Removing them completely would entirely screw up the food chain. I watched a presentation by a ranger at Yellowstone and he explained how populations would explode out of control in an uncontrollable chain reaction if wolves were removed from the ecosystem. Predators kill. They have to eat. That’s life. Waaaa a cute little calf was killed. So what, do you have any idea how many of them there are in the world? Sheesh! Deal with it and stop posting whiny, bleeding heart videos on YouTube portraying them as bloodthirsty murderes. Do that for terrorists instead.
Thanks DuncanWaring you are the first one to welcome me here.
Welcome to FR.
Briefing Ping
Note: I wasn’t directing my rant at you, rather at the poster of the wolves video.
Looks like you fit in a lot better here than some we’ve seen.
Wolverines are tough little buggers. They’ll take on grizzlies and mountain lions to defend their carcasses! They also take on Buckeyes... ;)
Got any movies of when pit bulls attack?
Seriously though is it against the law to protect your property in the great lakes? Whats up with this? Are wolves suppose to be endangered? I remember when the spotted owl was hurting the loggers in the Pacific Northwest. The only spotted owls I ever did see were nailed to telephone poles on the side of the road. I guess the loggers were trying to communicate withe environmentalists and PETA.
Wow I have 40 years in the woods. The wolves have been completely wipe out in say New York state for what 300 years but yet no make believe chain reaction happen did it. Still animals in New York. Wow you have drank the green Kool aid wolves kill for many reason first to eat some times for fun, sometimes they kill to teach the young. It is fairy tale to say they only kill for food. Most of us in the rural area would love to deal with the problem but too many bleeding heart liberals stop us. Wolves are a fake Endangered species. This is to show people what the price our ranchers are paying for bleeding heart liberals shoving wolves down people throat. There is trainwreck coming from the wolves. They will hunt the elk and deer down until hunting season have to be closed. Did the Park ranger tell you about all the people attack by wolves? Did he tell you about the children attacked in Canada by a healthy wolf?
That was frikking wild! Man, talk about two creatures just going at it, full tilt, non-stop.
I used to wrestle, and I still think that it was most difficult sport there was if you were matched evenly against an opponent. Just the constant tension trying to find and exploit the smallest opening or weakness by your opponent as they did the same to you. It was bloody damned exhausting.
I read a book recently called “Lost in My Own Backyard: A Walk in Yellowstone National Park”.
The author described how the Coyote population just went haywire as the wolves became nearly extinct (or did in that area before they were reintroduced)
When the wolves came back, they completely decimated the Coyote population. The biggest coyotes who had been (literally in this case) the top dog alpha male kind of animals, tried to stand up to the wolves and were destroyed.
He described a scene one day as he walked down a trail, where an entire pack of coyotes came running out of the woods that ran along the top of a ridge that came down at about 70 degrees to his trail ahead of him.
The coyotes flew out of the woods and literally tumbled and somersaulted down this huge incline in total panic.
At the top, a large gray wolf appeared out of the woods and calmly walked slowly over to the edge and looked over at the tumbling coyotes.
Excellent video - glad to see that the wolf came away with so little battle damage. Obviously my Siberians are not half as rough as the real deal, but I have seen them nail pretty good sized woodchucks, 18 pounds or so, with just a little flick of the head. So they have pretty good moves.
Wow I was being nice in my reply. Was not calling people names what is up with that?
Ok first off you are wrong about New York the only thing missing is bullafo and elk. Everything else you listed and more lives in New York state in fact the do gooders are trying to put the wolves in the state.
You sound like a young hothead. Yes they are fake with over 60,000 wolves in North America there are more important animals that are truely endangered that should be help not the fake ones like wolves.
Yes wolves slaughter deer for the fun of it a pack killed 22 deer in one night in MN only eating a few bites out of each one. Go to www.saveourelk.com for the truth. Deal with that.
Yes the children attack in Canada were sitting on the beach I guess the wolves owned the beach now? Facts get in the way of emotions. Calm down stop calling people names.
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Personally, I thought your response to G8 Diplomat was the one that escalated the tension. Just my opinion.
You haven’t been here at FR very long. G8 has been here a little while, and I haven’t particularly noticed him going after people.
Chill out a bit until you learn the ropes around here. Nothing personal, just my opinion.
Since you an expert I am sure you know who Dave Mech is. He study the Wolves 1975 in MN in an area no human hunters could get to. The wolves completely wipe out the deer in that area. The study was done in 1975. In 2002 Range magazine did an interview with him and he said Oh yes that is true and not only that but they still had not recovered. 27 years later the deer still had not recovered. So are you saying Dave Mech is lying? He also said he saw the wolves in Alaska completely wipe out snowshoe hares and Musk Ox in the area he was studying them.
We have our own two legged predators who keep the populations of game animals in check, we don't need wolves, and hunters don't slaughter ranchers cows indiscriminately(except for a few criminal types now and then, but nothing like wolves do). Wolves have no "right" to kill me or any other human. Just because it is their nature to kill doesn't mean we have to let them do it or forgive them for it. Your comment is full of liberal BS and shows your ignorance.
You may be a zoology "major" but that hardly qualifies you as an expert. Especially since your are citing Yellow Stone rangers as your evidence!
Wolves kill, whether for sport or food, and they kill anything they can, including children. Why didn't you cite the old saw that peta types always use? "There have been no documented cases of wolves attacking humans(and they always forget to add, "on the north american continent")" Wolves attack humans, plenty of evidence to back it up. As I said, they may have the right to food, but I have the right to not let them eat me or mine.
If wolf populations are decimated, coyote populations explode, because wolves eat coyotes. So then the coyotes will take the place of wolves as top predators and keep the elk and deer population in check, which is why they haven’t exploded out of control in New York. You have to take time to think about how ecosystems work, not just assume that adding wolves is bad and removing them is good.
A friend sent me a youtube video the other day that may be the same one.
It was titled “Michigan Wolves”...Smoke a pack a day!
Then it had bullet holes all over the sign.
The wolves are hated by the Michigan residents that have to live around them.
And I never said wolves never killed children. If they’re hungry, they’ll go after them. Are we going to eliminate everything that can possibly cause the unfortunate death of someone? We’d have nothing left.
After some very poor press questioning if they were one of the poorest NBA teams which criticisms are surely warranted, they almost defeated Boston and they should have, they've beaten the Suns and it looks like the Clippers are victims tonight.
Good thread.
I like to say that when I’m walking through the woods and see littl animal courts in session then I’ll talk about “animal rights”.
*there
Personally, I have no problem historically where humans eradicated them in various areas. If it is me or them...it is going to be them.
My brother and I were discussing a story about a guy poaching in a Bangladesh wildlife preserve was pulled up and out of a boat BY HIS HEAD in pitch black darkness by a large tiger...without even rocking the boat.
The other poachers heard a soft splash, turned on a flashlight and saw the Tiger dragging the guy by his head along the shore.
My brother wondered what it would be like to be hunted by tigers with WiNGS, and we paused for a second, looked and each other and said nearly simultaneously: “Naaaah. They’d be extinct.”
Same way wolves were to peasants back in the woods in medieval England or Europe.
LOL
I had a wolf that was an abandoned pup that someone raised. Then they abondonded her when they realized she wasnt like a “dog”. Stupid people.
Poor thing had serious emotional problems. I went to work after getting her and she ate my waterbed. I kid you not chewed through the side and the mattress what a mess. Then it was the couch then the garage door. Finally got her to stop eating non food items. She had 5 years with me before she passed away. At least she had 5 good years.
Me I got new furniture :)
You are so right and thank you for common sense.
And I never said anywhere any time eradicate the wolves. I want a hunting and trapping season on them to keep them in check.
OK. Sorry for seeming unnecessarily angry. I agree that hunting is needed to keep wolves in check.
Another with common sense.
Thanks. Whenever I say I’m a zoology major on FR threads, I immediately get the “that doesn’t mean you’re an expert” response. I never said I was...and when was the last time the self-supposed expert picked up a biology textbook?
This guy doesn’t understand culling of herds; it looks like.
I mean Bruce whatever his number is.
They do? /s
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