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Posted on 03/03/2008 2:39:24 PM PST by no-to-illegals
This is a report to share with fellow FReepers concerning the Patriot Act. Has anyone heard the name Randy Dees? Randy came to my attention, just recently, via information from a family member, who has known Randy (played music with him) approximately fifteen plus years ago. My family member informed me, one thinks there is nothing that can happen to them under the Patriot Act, but now there is the fate of Randy. My family member thought the Patriot Act was written to protect Americans from terrorists. Now, by the actions taken against Randy, my family member can only shake his head, and is shaken, in his faith, of America's Right to voice or type an opinion. Believe me, the right does not exist.
Randy is an American Citizen, an IT professional, who was working in California, prior to being charged with domestic terrorism under the Patriot Act. I will not insult anyone's intelligence belaboring the benefits or non-benefits of the Patriot Act. Each one, inside the cyber-web community, should be informed enough to realize, that living under the Patriot Act, one can be charged with domestic terrorism, should someone deem an individual a threat by another individual. Randy was deemed a threat because of what he typed on a forum or a blog.
I know not what was typed by Randy, and I do not support violence (Randy's writing may have been interpreted as violence), but sometimes in the heat of an argument, on the web, things are typed or said which may not be what an individual meant to type or say. The post button is hit, and next one knows, one is on one's way to jail. I do not know what was typed by Randy, whereby Randy was arrested, and now is in jail. I will agree the Patriot Act may appear, on the surface to be an Act America needs, but I cannot agree Randy Dees is a domestic terrorist, as charged under the Patriot Act.
Randy is also an Anti-Open Borders American. Till I know differently I have to believe one of the reasons why Randy was locked away, since December of last year, under a bond of more than one-half million dollars is because Randy typed something which caused someone to call the Police. This could happen to any of us, living under the Patriot Act.
Randy is originally from Charlotte, North Carolina. I may have met Randy twelve to fifteen years ago, but neither he nor I discussed politics at that meeting. Randy and I only said a casual Hello, glad to meet you, exchange of pleasantries. Again, I confess, I have not read Randy's writings.
Here in North Carolina, when the boys and girls speak of politics, each of us is normally portrayed as being politically incorrect, backward, Confederate flag waving, misguided cretins, ready to take up arms against the State or the North, unless we belong to the Democrat Party, and the Democrats do run North Carolina and those persons (democrats) are the truly enlightened /sarcasm tag here. Free Speech is not free in our Nation, and even if there is a fire in the theater, the Conservative thing to do is exit the theater in an orderly manner, while if one is politically correct, one refuses to move, sits in the seat while the theater burns down around them. Political correctness is a means to an end. Do not argue for truth in North Carolina, let the building burn down while you sit still is the normal operating procedure. Besides, you'll be hot tonight! Whew, do I need another sarcasm tag?
Again, I do not know what Randy typed on the web, which led to his arrest. But I am warning each of us, living under the Patriot Act, what one types is going to be scrutinized. Since each of us knows this fact, each of us can continue the business of taking back our country, can't we? Maybe yes, or maybe no is my answer.
I do not know if Randy was / is a Conservative, but I do not believe he is a liberal, but Randy may be a liberal, yet Randy did not sit still while the theater burned, nor did Randy attempt to run away. Randy faces jail time, beyond what Randy has already served.
I encourage each person reading (this vanity) to research, with keywords on Google, Randy Dees, California, several pieces of information will come on screen, some will be links to things Randy has written. I have not read any of Randy's writings, but I believe Randy is far more the Patriot, than I will ever be. Besides, if one expresses an opinion, should the one expressing that opinion be jailed?
There is one additional piece of information I cannot confirm concerning Randy. Some of the articles, I have read, say Randy is a former Marine. I do not know this to be true, nor do I know it to be false. My family member says Randy did not serve, our nation, in the Marines.
Each researching Randy's writings should decide, if Randy should have been jailed for his views. Now that I have expressed my views. One day, if my opinion is taken the wrong way, I may be joining Randy in confinement. With all I have written on this forum, nearing 3,000 posts, I may be next to go to jail.
I will pray Randy is released and I will pray I remain free. My family would miss me, as Randy's family misses him.
Please have a Day to Remember. May our Nation have Victory over the enemy. God, please Bless us all, and keep our opinions free.
I am responsible for my writing(s), as are each one, who writes or types a word on the web. Many people watch our every word and every sentence. Randy Dees, one of America's Patriots has gone to jail. Please, pray for our Nation and Randy. Our Nation's enemies seek not to reward Americans with Freedom, but rather to take our Freedom(s) away.
“I know not what was typed by Randy, and I do not support violence (Randy’s writing may have been interpreted as violence), “
So you don’t know what he said but have a strong opinion on this.
I have an idea, get the facts and then post them, *maybe* then I can share your views.
maybe you should wait to see the evidence before you panic? The US govt doesn’t have the manpower or money to waste it on someone that is just having fun on the internet. Use your common sense.
by the way - is he related to LA DJ Rick Dees?
First of all, you don’t know what he wrote and don’t know if he served...why do you call him a Patriot? The FedGov isn’t into locking up people without cause. Let the facts come out, then you can make a determination on his guilt or innocence. Until then, considering you don’t even know him, I don’t think I’d get involved.
I have no opinion on this just passing it on.
Just that video alone should get him locked up. Yuck.
I take my family member’s word. btw...my family member, I spoke with, served.
Ping for later so I can research the name. I too shake my head - at the reason why this thread exists without any knowledge about what this man may or may not have done.
I trust my family member....It may be removed....I will have no ill will. I posted to General/Chat, not News. The mods always can have their way...I posted for information purposes.
In general, I share your concerns.
However, in particular, I cannot state anything concerning
this person. There are no particularities upon which to
base any opinion. I do not know what he said, to whom it
said it, or in what context the statement was made.
That does not take away from your family’s opinions, but
that is, indeed, all it is. That does not mean weight is
also given to the state, either.
I do not like the government intrusion into, or retraction
of, American’s Constitutional freedoms “in the name of”
MOST anything. Merely expressing opinions, where it puts
no one into danger (as it would with, say, shouting “fire”
into a theater) is removing our right to free speech.
Either we are either free citizens or we are not.
And likely some will (as I see some already have) scoff at that idea/warning. I do not.
> On Dec 20, 2007, Long Beach Police executed a search warrant on the home in Long Beach where he was renting a room from the owner. Police broke down the front door at 7am (no one was home; Randy had already left for work), ransacked the whole house, confiscated Randy's computer and two legally registered firearms and magazines and then ripped the power box out so the power could not be turned back on. They also took many of his important files. The search warrant was for DOMESTIC TERRORISM! This search warrant was issued due to a remark regarding the ACLU on the SOS forum a few months earlier. The post was seen by one of our open borders enemies who complained about it to the San Bernardino Police Department.
> Randy had plane tickets to fly out of LAX the next day, Friday Dec 21 to go home to North Carolina for the holidays. Although he was shaken by the unexpected raid on his residence, he had no fear that any crime had been committed. He consulted with an attorney Friday morning and then packed up for his trip home. At about 3pm on the 21st, Long Beach Police called Randy to tell him a warrant had been issued for his arrest and that he needed to surrender to the Long Beach Police Station by midnight.
They told him if he tried to get on his flight at 8pm, he would be arrested at LAX. Randy notified his lawyer and was told to turn himself in. Randy and a friend went to the police station at about 6pm to surrender to the still unknown charges. He was immediately booked and bail was set at $550,000. Randy was transferred to county jail in Santa Clarita in late December and has been there ever since. He was brought back to Long Beach on Jan. 15th for a hearing and the judge told Randy he is facing 4 1/2 years in prison on still unspecified WEAPONS charges. Randy has another hearing in February. His situation is looking bleak and he has lost confidence in his lawyer. We are currently working with Randy to see how we can help him.
Thank You. Another mystery.
Dont have any validity to post but just snooping around.
OK... I guess I don’t understand this post. What, exactly about this case has anything to do with the patriot act?
Domestic terrorism (if indeed it has anything to do with this case) was already against the law. There’s also something pretty nonspecific about “weapons” charges. Hard to say what that means, but there’s not much new there either. Supposedly some statements or threats were made but we don’t know the nature of those. There were already plenty of ways to get in trouble for threatening the life or limb of another person, so who knows whether there’s anything new there? We don’t.
He’s been arrested. He’s got an attorney, and he’s getting due process. He’s not in Gitmo, even.
All we know is that some guy has done some things we don’t know and he’s been arrested. Well... so what?
Not a lot to go on. I’ll need a little more info before I think Bush is the bad guy in this.
Just wait until Hillary gets in.
Based on the number of times you posted variations of “Again, I have no idea what it was that he posted...” I’d say wait a bit, find out, and then come back and update us.
I am not making any accusations here, but just hypothetically speaking about "what ifs" based on the very tiny info i have found.
But again... ringing the alarm bell that this is some kind of stomping on rights seems unfounded, at least on what’s here. There was an investigation of something, there was a search warrant issued, there was an arrest made, and the guy has an attorney.
Looks like due process to me.
post a link. I have typed Randy Dees, California twice and only gotten through two pages but did not see the post. Only the same letter posted over and over.
I truly wish I could help...There is information found by yourself, I did not have. I Thank You, but I continue to believe something is wrong. I have a suspicious mind. I blamed the Patriot Act, Thank You for correcting me. I would think though, one would be able to find Randyâs writings since he is alleged to have written to a forum or blog. I have no link, but that is normally the case with me. My apology to you, if you believe there is nothing there, but I did see something two days ago, I swear, regarding Randyâs writings. I did not copy at the that time, maybe now I should have....for I too am coming up empty.
“Looks like due process to me.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Hey, go to ACLU’s website page on the Patriot Act.(http://www.aclu.org/safefree/patriot/index.html) Most of the links are to ACLU legal handwringing over the “constitutionality” or such. Not actual abuses. There is that Brandon Mayfield guy who may have a case. I don’t know, I haven’t been following it. But if you take this guy and the Mayfield guy and they both had a valid abuse claim and then multiplied that by 50 you still wouldnt have a case of systemic government abuse of peoples rights. You’d have a case of run of the mill human falibility and stupidity within the law enforcement community.
All the facts will come out if there is anything to it, if not the boys who cry wold will try to make it disappear.
Keep digging and ping me if you find anything. I will do the same.
I love a good mystery. That is why i posted the V. Foster thread the other day. That was a hoot.
Obviously, it's about MORE than what he said. And now that it's March and the poster knows this guy so well, how did that February hearing turn out?
Hey, "Patriot Act" is a great all-purpose buzz word. Isn't that good enough?
Good Job Watson (CookCounty) for picking that up. :o)
Thank You, from me, to everyone having posted. And Thank all of you for having a look. I do not know Randy personally, but something about this story stuck me as odd, after a family member told me of what was known, by that family member. My family member has communicated with Randy over the past year, three times, via email. I was told general pleasantries. I do Thank Everyone, for the information, everyone has brought to the thread. I hope I shared something of importance. I too will continue to look for more information, and will come back for look - sees. I Thank everyone, again....(again, there goes that word again). Thanks!
For Immediate Release Contact Name: Tony Shipp
Assault With A Deadly Weapon Fairfield, California (Saturday, March 25, 2006)
On March 25, 2006 at approximately 7:00PM, Fairfield PD dispatch received several 911 calls regarding an unknown disturbance in the 100 block of Tabor Ave.
When officers arrived, they found an unconscious 27 year old female Fairfield resident lying outside of an apartment complex in the 100 block of Tabor Ave. The victim had a head injury, but was eventually able to tell officers that another family member had hit her in the head with a wrench. She was transported by ambulance to North Bay Medical Center, where she received treatment for her injury. The injury was not life threatening.
Officers determined that the family argument was over one family member possibly having inappropriate contact with another younger family member.
Once again, citizens of Fairfield were able to provide officers with information, which led to the arrest of two subjects. Witnesses told the responding officers that there had been a family dispute, which led to the victim being hit in the head with a wrench.
Arrested were Randy Dees a 52 year old Rodeo resident for 245 PC, assault with a deadly weapon and David Parsons a 30 year old Fairfield resident for 245 PC assault with a deadly weapon, 273 (a) PC, child endangerment and 288 (a)(1) PC lewd act on a child.
Sounds like just another parole violator angling for sympathy via the Patriot Act ploy (aka "George-Bush-is- After-Me Syndrome"). ###
Thank you for that information, you may ask the moderators to pull my thread....I was unaware of the information, but will inform my family member. I did not post this to upset anyone.
I just took a second look...The Randy Dees, of which I typed would not be 52 years old....He would be in late 30s or early 40s. So mods, please do not pull this thread yet. My error from reading, I sometimes do that.
Having information is always a good thing, given that the information is accurate and verifiable. If you can gather any further information don’t hesitate to bring it up. I’d like to know more about this myself.
please do not pull this thread yet....I made an error in reading what cookcounty posted. If the thread has been requested to be removed, please do what you will, but I request a little more time.
Thank You Sir.
By the way, do you know the city in which this man was living when arrested. Might help in doing a search.
You’re welcome, but no need to call me sir. I’m just a fellow FReeper.
Then he should be arrested!
I am under the impression of only California...but let me verify...I’ll make a phone call. hope to be back shortly.
I’ll be waiting.
Long Beach, California is his city and state....L.A. area is where the Randy Dees, I am seeking information on was residing.
I have to call it a day. Thanks to each for having contributed. Mods, is you are watching, I will slap my face a few more times for your benefit. I will not be back till late tomorrow. I sincerely Thank everyone who has contributed.
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