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The Impossible Dinosaurs - Megafauna and Attenuated Gravity
Kronia.com ^ | Ted Holden

Posted on 03/21/2008 2:01:20 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: samtheman
My son's name is Sam, and the hostname of the computer I am typing on right now is "sam".

Good name.

21 posted on 03/21/2008 4:10:36 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

I know it’s a very different theory. That’s my point. There is a growing (though not GW-style political) consensus among astronomers and earth scientists that there was a collision 4.5 billion years ago that created the moon. You can find hundreds of articles on the net, both from science popularizer sites like the two I posted and from the scientific papers themselves in which a lot of peer-reviewed research points to the existence of that collision. Doesn’t make it absolute Truth, but it does carry a lot of weight.

Right now, like I said, this 65-million-year-ago story of the creation of the moon sounds like Däniken-style “science” to me.

Just my opinion. For what it’s worth, and all that.


22 posted on 03/21/2008 4:10:58 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: ThePythonicCow

Sam. It’s from ancient Hebrew.

It means “he who would lead the followers of the False God Python back to the Purity of Perl”.


23 posted on 03/21/2008 4:14:02 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
Yup - a good chunk of the good stuff, and 100 times as much garbage, lies outside the respected halls of accepted science.

To create new understandings, one has to hold several conflicting theories, and a variety of facts, hints and speculations in ones mind at once, playing with them like lego bricks, looking for ways they might fit together, having fun, unafraid of the silly, the unknown, the crazy.

24 posted on 03/21/2008 4:14:51 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: samtheman; Swordmaker
There was this pesky little asteroid that plunged into the earth 65 million years ago. Things got smaller after that.

Hmmm, I wonder. Could that have done something to the inner earth?

25 posted on 03/21/2008 4:16:00 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: samtheman
Well well, I see you are a Perlish heathen. We may well not speak the same language <grin>.
26 posted on 03/21/2008 4:16:16 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: samtheman; ThePythonicCow

I named my American Bulldog puppy Sammie. Samson, actually.


27 posted on 03/21/2008 4:16:47 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Actually, I don’t know either Python or Perl. I was just kidding around. I’m an old-fashioned c++ guy.

But I do want to learn Python. Is it true what they say on the python.org website that you can “learn it in a week”?

Do you have a recommended site, or tutorial or book?


28 posted on 03/21/2008 4:19:50 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: PeteB570
I suspect it was not an asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. Something changed the optimum weight for land animals, from many tons, done to the much smaller size we have now. I suspect the earth suddenly started spinning much slower, and that the moon was formed, at that time, just 65 million years ago.

A far more dramatic event than a simple asteroid hitting the Yucatan with the power of a few thousand nuclear bombs causing a century long winter.

29 posted on 03/21/2008 4:20:45 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
a good chunk of the good stuff, and 100 times as much garbage, lies outside the respected halls of accepted science
That's true. Everything that is currently now in the "respected halls of accepted science" has its origins in some theory that was once on the outside.

But as you said, there's 100 times as much garbage as good stuff on the outside. I would say 100,000 times, not 100 times.

To me, one of the tests if an outsider's piece is "good stuff" or "garbage" is how many links s/he can build between the outsider theory and the accepted stuff. On those grounds, the article posted here fails my own personal smell test. Though I admit, I myself am no scientist.

30 posted on 03/21/2008 4:26:55 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Did you look at the YouTube video in my Post #11 above? It’s a visually suggestive presentation that the earth’s continents, rather as we know them now, covered the entire surface of the earth ... a smaller surface without the great expense of oceans we have now (though likely with water covering much of what is now land.)


31 posted on 03/21/2008 4:35:50 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: EarthBound

Interesting questions.


32 posted on 03/21/2008 4:39:28 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Arm yourself!)
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To: Swordmaker
In our world, that can't happen.

Only in the movies, and thanks for the ping.

I had read it before, but thoroughly enjoyed reading it again. Asking the questions remains far more important than knowing the answers. Without questions, there can be no answers. What we can be certain of however, are the final six words:

In our world, that can't happen.

33 posted on 03/21/2008 4:56:53 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (a fair dinkum aussie)
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To: samtheman
For a little more scientific sounding presentation, see the paper The Expanded Earth 2007 by F. David Fry, which elaborates on the expanding earth theory, and casts considerable doubt on the more accepted plate tectonics theory.
34 posted on 03/21/2008 4:58:01 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: Swordmaker
Bad as the calculations involving muscle capabilities appear to be for dinosaurs, the question of torque on their necks looks worse. A giraffe barely gets blood to his head with a neck just under 20' long. A big sauropod's neck could easily have gone to 50' or 60' and scientists are agreed they could not have held them upwards since the heart needed to get blood to their brains wouldn't even fit inside their bodies. Nonetheless if they held them outwards as is being suggested, they would face (in our present world at least) an unbelievable problem with torque. A big sauropod's neck could easily have weighed 30K - 40K lbs and if the center of gravity of that neck was 20' out from the shoulders, you'd be looking at most of a million foot pounds of torque and a requirement to hold that 24/7 with with muscle and sinew.

Nothing in normal experience is ballpark for that sort of a torque figure; that would be roughly ballpark for the combined maximum torque of all of the engines of a large WW-II battleship or one of our largest modern carriers, i.e. the torque needed to drive a 55,000 ton ship through the water at 30 - 35 knots.

35 posted on 03/21/2008 6:30:58 AM PDT by jeddavis
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To: Fred Nerks

The real question: If those kinds of sizes were such a winning ticket for creatures which supposedly dominated the planet for tens of millions of years.... then why in the 70,000,000 years which supposedly has passed since they went away, has nothing else ever re-evolved to such sizes? Evolving to different sizes should be fairly easy.


36 posted on 03/21/2008 6:36:37 AM PDT by jeddavis
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To: ThePythonicCow

Well the Earth was spinning faster, but at best the day would have only been an hour shorter at the K/T event. The tidal effects of the moon slow the Earth down some but even that is slowing as the Moon gets further away.

As for the oxygen, it could have been up to 28% before the K/T event but you’d probably only find concentrations that high before the Triassic...long before the dinosaurs mentioned here evolved yet.

This article is BS...period. If there were no giraffes, people like this would be saying that they would be biologically impossible. We simply don’t know enough about the biology of dinosaurs to understand how the large sauropods functioned and automatically jumping to the conclusion that the gravity was somehow less back then is just stupid beyond belief.


37 posted on 03/21/2008 6:38:46 AM PDT by Raymann
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To: ThePythonicCow
Did you look at the YouTube video in my Post #11 above? It’s a visually suggestive presentation that the earth’s continents, rather as we know them now, covered the entire surface of the earth ... a smaller surface without the great expense of oceans we have now (though likely with water covering much of what is now land.)

I heard the guy who's pushing these theories about the earth being smaller, in the past, and growing on Coast To Coast AM a while back.  It didn't really pass my personal smell-test, but was interesting enough to file away with a big "?" on it. He actually posits that the increasing gravity is and size is coming from mass appearing through a multidimensional conduit in the center of the earth. I suspect he has found some interesting nuggets of truth amonst all the other stuff he's talking about.

I'm pretty sure from what I've read that a dinosaur would not survive one standard gravity, and there has to be some explanation for this, because they do, in fact, appear to have lived.

38 posted on 03/21/2008 7:22:09 AM PDT by zeugma (FedGov has no intention of actually doing anything to secure this nation. It's all a power grab.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
For a little more scientific sounding presentation, see the paper The Expanded Earth 2007 by F. David Fry, which elaborates on the expanding earth theory, and casts considerable doubt on the more accepted plate tectonics theory.

I knew I shoulda read the whole thread before responding. I'm pretty sure Fry was the guy on C2C. 

39 posted on 03/21/2008 7:23:36 AM PDT by zeugma (FedGov has no intention of actually doing anything to secure this nation. It's all a power grab.)
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To: zeugma

Not enough time for any sort of an expanding Earth theory to account for large dinosaurs. They also find ancient stone structures which neither ancient nor modern technologies could account for (200-ton fitted stones etc.). Those also require reduced gravity, and were not created by dinosaurs and are not 70,000,000 years old.


40 posted on 03/21/2008 7:39:05 AM PDT by jeddavis
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