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The Impossible Dinosaurs - Megafauna and Attenuated Gravity
Kronia.com ^ | Ted Holden

Posted on 03/21/2008 2:01:20 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: Swordmaker

A somewhat childish example of reasoning from consequents to ground, a formal logical fallacy.


41 posted on 03/21/2008 8:24:50 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: Swordmaker

Oh God! Teh Stupid! It Burns! It Burns!


43 posted on 03/21/2008 9:04:56 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Swordmaker
Good article...I'm sure most structural engineers know that the huge sizes of the long-necked herbivores are indeed impossible in today's earth gravity.

Looking at the bible, there has been representations in the heavens of situations and entities that are on earth. The Moon and Saturn have represented Satan in some places in the bible...for instance, in Revelation, the antichrist's reign is given in months and Christ's reign is given in years.

The bible says that in ancient times (pre-Adam times), Satan was the "Cherub that covereth" so was Saturn the planet that covereth I wonder. If the earth used to be in a close orbit around Saturn or some kind of close diamagnetic lock with Saturn somehow, the gravity of Saturn would offset the earth's on the surface of the earth and pave the way for these huge dinosaurs to survive.

44 posted on 03/21/2008 9:10:06 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: samtheman

Man they got a lot of mileage out of three letters!!!


45 posted on 03/21/2008 9:16:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: samtheman

Yes, I agree with your theory that these massive animals were supported by anti-gravitation devices developed by advanced extraterrestrials.


46 posted on 03/21/2008 9:19:41 AM PDT by bvw
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To: samtheman

http://www.fdavidpeat.com/interviews/dirac.htm


47 posted on 03/21/2008 9:22:47 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Swordmaker

Oooh, the “Thunderbird”:

http://www.lightmission.com/Admin.Web/Images/Teratorn-25ft.jpg

BTW, let me be the first (I guess, I didn’t read any comments yet) to accuse you of being, in reality, Ted Holden / medved. ;’)

I’ve never found this particular argument to be compelling; it is rooted in the idea that the “bronto”saurus had to wade to allow the water to support some of their weight, then eventually got stuck in the mud, died, fell over, and became fossilized. :’)


48 posted on 03/21/2008 10:05:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: samtheman
This is a very heavy load of BS.

Without some kind of theory, or even speculation, as to how the gravitational force of a planet of basically constant mass changes over time, this is like some kind of “aliens abducted my wife and got her pregnant” story.

A little evidence would be nice as well placemarker.

49 posted on 03/21/2008 10:28:18 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Re: poor old bronte in the mud theory.

That was the original thinking of Paleontologists... But Apatosaurus's feet were not adapted for muddy conditions, nor were Ultrasaurus and Seismasaurus or any of the huge Brachiosauri (branch eaters). Their skeletons are those of land walkers. That is the dilemma.

50 posted on 03/21/2008 10:51:00 AM PDT by Swordmaker (There ain't no such thing as a free app...)
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To: Swordmaker

:’) I picture them as slow-movers, and having a dry alimentary canal, and look to the great whales as examples (since they swim via their own motion, and are larger than the dinos) of what muscle, sinex, and bone can accomplish. :’)


51 posted on 03/21/2008 11:06:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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The missing Tripod image is hosted on GeoCities now:

http://www.geocities.com/anthrosaurs/DinoList.html
http://www.geocities.com/anthrosaurs/Pteranodon.html


52 posted on 03/21/2008 11:09:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: Swordmaker

“Then you explain how these huge animals stood up and walked around under one G gravity. “

You yourself said that another explanation is that they had more powerful muscles.

Frankly if I were to pick between the gravity being different and dinosaurs had different muscles. The different muscles explanation is a far more likely scenario. And I’m not sure why any one would opt for the different gravity theory except to be deliberately shocking.


53 posted on 03/21/2008 11:10:37 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Swordmaker
It is a fairly easy demonstration that nothing any larger than the largest elephants could live in our world today.

The existence of the Blue Whale proves that this piece is nonsense in the very first sentence:


54 posted on 03/21/2008 11:18:07 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: ThePythonicCow

WOW - thank you for that link - thought provoking to say the least!


55 posted on 03/21/2008 11:39:22 AM PDT by VRWCtaz (You're not just seeing things if you can get others to see them too. Now about the voices...)
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To: jeddavis
Not enough time for any sort of an expanding Earth theory to account for large dinosaurs. They also find ancient stone structures which neither ancient nor modern technologies could account for (200-ton fitted stones etc.). Those also require reduced gravity, and were not created by dinosaurs and are not 70,000,000 years old.

One thing is for sure. There are more questions than answers on this stuff. I figure it doesn't hurt me to keep an open mind on a lot of this stuff. "Forbidden Archaeology" poses some really interesting questions about our planet and race's (human) history.

56 posted on 03/21/2008 11:55:06 AM PDT by zeugma (FedGov has no intention of actually doing anything to secure this nation. It's all a power grab.)
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To: Truthsearcher

Muscle tissue is nearly identically the same for all vertebrate animals; there’s no way to think dinosaur muscle was better than ours.


57 posted on 03/21/2008 11:57:13 AM PDT by jeddavis
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To: jeddavis
Muscle tissue is nearly identically the same for all vertebrate animals; there’s no way to think dinosaur muscle was better than ours.

Wrong again. Using your logic we would be significantly stronger than chimpanzees (average male weight 90 - 115 pounds). Not even close!

Location of muscle attachments is part of it, but chimpanzees are significantly stronger than humans in spite of their smaller weight.

58 posted on 03/21/2008 12:05:45 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: doc30
Oh God! Teh Stupid! It Burns! It Burns!

Does shilling for Apple turn your brain to putty or something?

It is interesting to see Ted anonymously puffing his own piece. I thought he had been banned from FR under his 10 previous login names. Maybe the rule against signing up under new names has been lifted.

59 posted on 03/21/2008 12:26:16 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138

IANHM placemarker.


60 posted on 03/21/2008 12:56:02 PM PDT by Shryke
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