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Windows 7 in the Next Year? ("or so"?)
Slashdot ^ | 4/05/2008

Posted on 04/05/2008 9:46:25 AM PDT by sionnsar

Journal written by symbolset (646467) and posted by ScuttleMonkey

on Saturday April 05, @07:21AM

from the also-duke-nukem-forever dept.

Microsoft

Microsoft's efforts to get businesses to adopt Vista may come to a screeching halt now that Bill Gates has announced "Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new version", referring to Windows 7, the next expected version of the company's flagship desktop operating system.With a new version available soon, many organizations may decide to wait and see if they can avoid the pain of a Vista rollout altogether.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: lowqualitycrap; microsoft; operatingsystems; vista; windows7; xp
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1 posted on 04/05/2008 9:46:25 AM PDT by sionnsar
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To: sionnsar

Windows 7 won’t be worth having till 2 years after it’s release when service pack 2 is released.


2 posted on 04/05/2008 9:48:27 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: sionnsar
Impossible. I predict Vista is going to be around at least five years. It takes time to design and develop an operating system from the ground up. Windows Vista was extraordinarily complicated. There's no reason to believe Windows 7 can be brought to market in a year.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 04/05/2008 9:49:04 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: sionnsar

How is this different from Xp and Vista?? I run Xp, does this mean I have to load something else or does it replace those two?

/r/jane


4 posted on 04/05/2008 9:50:03 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: goldstategop
It takes time to design and develop an operating system from the ground up.

What makes you think they will do that?

5 posted on 04/05/2008 9:51:56 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SkyDancer
It would replace Vista. Its a question of just how fast emerging technologies and standards can be supported in a new OS. With tens of thousands of lines of code, its not easy to do that. With all the programming skill and know-how in the world, there will be bugs.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 04/05/2008 9:53:14 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: sionnsar

So basically Vista turned out to be Windows ME Part Deux.


7 posted on 04/05/2008 9:54:49 AM PDT by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Microsoft and the OEM makers have a symbiotic relationship. The only reason for building more powerful hardware is to run an OS that can take full advantage of it. Computer manufacturers know their sales are tied into Microsoft's flagship product, as most people buy the OS pre-installed on a new computer.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 04/05/2008 9:55:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I will try to hang on to Xp as long as I can. BTW - my grandmom runs Windows 3.1 - she just writes letters and prints newsletters and labels. No Internet, doesn’t care for it - works fine for her .....


9 posted on 04/05/2008 9:55:48 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: goldstategop

Windows 7 will be the last 32 bit Windows. Vista is so big, it really needs at least 2 GB of RAM, and a 32 bit processor can only address 4 GB directly.


10 posted on 04/05/2008 9:55:53 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: goldstategop
There's no reason to believe Windows 7 can be brought to market in a year.

They can do it if it's actually XP Service Pack 3 with a new splash screen. ;)

11 posted on 04/05/2008 9:56:46 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: dfwgator

Unlike Windows ME Vista actually works.


12 posted on 04/05/2008 9:57:38 AM PDT by tokenatheist
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To: dfwgator
With enough memory, its rock-solid. The Service Pack 1 should fix the bugs that came out in the original Vista rollout a year ago.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 04/05/2008 9:59:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Windows has gotten worse as a resource hog because so much is demanded of it. And yet its not capable of taking full advantage of the hardware's capacity. That's a challenge for Microsoft to solve.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

14 posted on 04/05/2008 10:01:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tokenatheist

I had Windows ME running in a VMware virtual machine just fine.


15 posted on 04/05/2008 10:01:27 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar

Vista: Worst. OS. Ever (well, since Windows ME!)

You lose Microsoft. Please try again...


16 posted on 04/05/2008 10:05:24 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Windows 7 won’t be worth having till 2 years after it’s release when service pack 2 is released.

It also won't be out next year, either. Bet. This is a strategic statement meant to get those refusing to upgrade from XP to hold out in hope of a better Windows in the near future rather than investigating other options. It'll work.

17 posted on 04/05/2008 10:06:43 AM PDT by MichiganMan (Remember when Linkin Park wasn't on your mom's radio station?)
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To: Izzy Dunne

THey have been working on the basis of the next windows for awhile now, the biggest change will probably be the file system and resource allocation and utilization. THe hardest though has been building a new OS from the ground up that is still backwards compatible with past windows applications and hardware, which is one of the reasons why you have seen Windows continue to bloat as its different versions came out.


18 posted on 04/05/2008 10:07:34 AM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: rockrr

LOL, you have obviously never used it. LOL.


19 posted on 04/05/2008 10:08:20 AM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: sionnsar

The Vista rollout.. is it in a wheelchair already?..


20 posted on 04/05/2008 10:08:20 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: sionnsar

The Vista rollout.. is it in a wheelchair already?..


21 posted on 04/05/2008 10:08:21 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: rockrr
Actually, I have a good thing to say about their support. If they can't fix the problem, they at least send you a free CD.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

22 posted on 04/05/2008 10:08:34 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Hence XP was extended last week for 2 years.

I can see clearly now.


23 posted on 04/05/2008 10:12:20 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: rockrr
Vista: Worst. OS. Ever (well, since Windows ME!)

Enjoy this infomercial all about Vista.   ;-)

24 posted on 04/05/2008 10:13:05 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: SkyDancer

We may be screwed.

Obviously MS Knows Vista is a bust.


25 posted on 04/05/2008 10:13:23 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: aft_lizard
They tried to do everything to completely revamp what became Vista. It was so ambitious the company fell short in meeting the project requirement and that's why Vista had a very long product development cycle. No one thought it would take five years. Windows 98 came out two years after Windows 95 was released and Windows ME came out two years after Windows 98 was on the market and Windows XP came out a year after Windows ME's release. The old time frame for product development and market release was three years on average and Microsoft would like to get back on track. So they're shooting at 2010 as the next point in releasing Windows 7 to the marketplace.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

26 posted on 04/05/2008 10:13:41 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator

Exactly my thoughts.

The difference is ME was easy to skip.


27 posted on 04/05/2008 10:14:26 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Hence XP was extended last week for 2 years.

Only for OEM installs on ultra-portables. ie. The Asus Eee PC.

28 posted on 04/05/2008 10:16:19 AM PDT by MichiganMan (Remember when Linkin Park wasn't on your mom's radio station?)
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To: sionnsar

Get this...

We have Vista Running.

Start VMWare so we can run XP so we can run Nortel VPN.

Like Using a Semi Truck to haul a single 2x4.


29 posted on 04/05/2008 10:18:06 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: rockrr

Maybe the OS is better but it is going to cause far more damage to their reputation and customers.


30 posted on 04/05/2008 10:19:27 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: hosepipe

In an Iron Lung


31 posted on 04/05/2008 10:19:55 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Rumor has it that apple is working on their next OS, I guess this means that OS X is a bust as well.....


32 posted on 04/05/2008 10:20:35 AM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: rockrr

I never had a problem with Windows ME. The problem at the time wasn’t ME but the hardware that a lot of system builders were using. This is when the cheaper systems were using Cyrix and the early AMD CPUs, and there were lots of cheaply made motherboards and ram on the market that would fail when stressed and compared to the Windows version before them ME was more demanding on the hardware, so these components would fail. I ran ME for the longest on an Intel P3 Slot 1 running on a Gigabyte 440BX chip-set based motherboard, it ran fine fast and very stable.


33 posted on 04/05/2008 10:21:27 AM PDT by Geoffery
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I actually liked ME. It did the Windoze stuff fairly well (as long as you had the right drivers), but it still provided a true DOS type interface.

Security sucked, though.

MS is still fighting the same problem they’ve had for years. The original PC designs assumed a single user per machine. The kinds of interfaces and file structures and security you need for a multiple user per machine environment is drastically different.


34 posted on 04/05/2008 10:21:42 AM PDT by djf
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To: aft_lizard
THe hardest though has been building a new OS from the ground up that is still backwards compatible with past windows applications and hardware

Its my understanding that this will be the version that is binary incompatible with previous versions. A lot of people have said its MS' failure to jettison the old code compatibility that keeps Windows mired in muck. Of course we heard noises like that about Vista too...

35 posted on 04/05/2008 10:22:45 AM PDT by MichiganMan (Remember when Linkin Park wasn't on your mom's radio station?)
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To: sionnsar

More Vista bashing. I’ve been using it on three machines for six months with no problems. How can this be?

For pity sakes. One can buy a fully equipped desktop with 2gb of memory and a dual core processor for $400 off the Dell outlet site ready to go with Vista Home Premium. I sold my old Dells with XP Pro and it didn’t cost me anything to move up. What is this obsession with staying in the past? Vista works just fine.

While we are at it, why don’t we just go back to Dos 1.0 and dual floppy disks and get rid of all of this new fangled equipment while we are at it?


36 posted on 04/05/2008 10:23:04 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: aft_lizard

Apparently the Oracle’s of design were on Crack when they decided what should be included.


37 posted on 04/05/2008 10:23:12 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: RichardW

I still have a single sided 5 /14 in floppy at home.

IBM DOS v 1.2

Boots fast!
(Yes!!! I still have a machine with 5 1/4 in drive on it!!)


38 posted on 04/05/2008 10:27:23 AM PDT by djf
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Trading driver compatibility for no real value was the issue.

I’d go to a friends house to help them with a problem, then see Windows ME and just say replace it or you are on your own.


39 posted on 04/05/2008 10:28:04 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Izzy Dunne

LOL


40 posted on 04/05/2008 10:30:18 AM PDT by jdm (Sign you've got a crappy job: your boss asks if you're on MySpace and if you'll add him as a friend.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

ME was really Windows 98 Third Edition.

I’m just saying I likes the DOS based interface way better than the NT type. I could actually find stuff back then.


41 posted on 04/05/2008 10:30:36 AM PDT by djf
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To: RichardW
More Vista bashing.

The problem is that beyond the bashers, there are a lot of people in the tech and tech-opinion industries that have expressed publicly that moving from XP to Vista is not a smart move right now. ie. My own favorite mag, MaximumPC advises users to stick with XP. It may not be Windows 3.0, but it does seem to have some legitimately concerning problems.

42 posted on 04/05/2008 10:33:51 AM PDT by MichiganMan (Remember when Linkin Park wasn't on your mom's radio station?)
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To: RichardW
More Vista bashing. I’ve been using it on three machines for six months with no problems. How can this be?

Are you saying your experience is identical to everyone else's?

43 posted on 04/05/2008 10:34:44 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Hopefully not - love my Xp - very stable now. Question though: What if I buy a laptop that has VISTA - can I delete it and load my Xp?


44 posted on 04/05/2008 10:35:05 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: sionnsar

Hmmm that math doesn’t work. If you run the count from Win3.1 then 95 should be 4, 98 is 5, ME was 6, XP 7, Vista 8 and the next one 9. So apparently two of those never happened, obviously ME would be one, is Vista the other?


45 posted on 04/05/2008 10:35:35 AM PDT by discostu (aliens ate my Buick)
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To: djf

Sure, it boots fast. Then all it does is say, “bad command or file name” :^)


46 posted on 04/05/2008 10:35:48 AM PDT by The Chid
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To: MichiganMan

I’m at an F500 site right now that manages somewhere between 1500-2000 PC’s and laptops.

They adamantly refuse to go to Vista.


47 posted on 04/05/2008 10:36:49 AM PDT by djf
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To: RichardW

Vista doesn’t work just fine. Vista is a pig, sucks massive resources just for the display, and has major problems. The list of software that doesn’t work on Vista is huge, it’s just plain a bad OS. They screwed the pooch, they gilded the lily, they dropped the ball. Sure it works fine for some people, my co-worker loved ME, but for most folks it just plain is no good. The system you just outlined isn’t actually up to snuff to run Vista, it needs 4GB minimum. It’s not a matter of staying in the past, it’s a matter of realizing that sometimes companies blow it and the present is best avoided, ME was one of those times, Vista is playing out to be another.


48 posted on 04/05/2008 10:39:02 AM PDT by discostu (aliens ate my Buick)
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To: dfwgator

now I love the windows operating system but ME still gives me nightmares. A format every there months, constant crashing urgh. One of the reasons I plan on keeping XP for a good long while.


49 posted on 04/05/2008 10:40:04 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: SkyDancer
Hopefully not - love my Xp - very stable now. Question though: What if I buy a laptop that has VISTA - can I delete it and load my Xp?

Maybe, but maybe not, especially with a laptop. Several laptop makers have released Vista laptops with proprietary hardware (as is typical on laptops) for which there is no XP compatible driver. And obviously they have no interest in putting resources into a driver so that a laptop they sold with Vista can run with XP.

50 posted on 04/05/2008 10:41:13 AM PDT by MichiganMan (Remember when Linkin Park wasn't on your mom's radio station?)
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