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My View of Vista: It's Garbage
TheStreet.com Strategy Session ^ | April 11, 2008 | Michael Comeau & Farnoosh Torabi

Posted on 04/11/2008 2:27:13 PM PDT by HAL9000

TheStreet.com Video - Microsoft's Vista OS is just plain awful, says Michael Comeau.

(Contains some profanity. Viewer discretion is advised.)


(Excerpt) Read more at thestreet.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: garbage; lowqualitycrap; microsoft; vista; wallstreet; windows

1 posted on 04/11/2008 2:27:13 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

It’s gotten so bad that Wall Street is now openly ridiculing Vista. Gates and Ballmer cannot be happy with the various reports on their flagship product this week.


2 posted on 04/11/2008 2:34:48 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("If someone who has access to the press says something over and over again, people believe it"- B.C.)
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To: HAL9000

I highly recommend anyone getting a new computer to upgrade from Vista to WindowsXP. Vista is a complete joke.


3 posted on 04/11/2008 2:41:32 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: HAL9000

I have had Vista for several months and have no problem, of course I turn of the Aero themed stuff.


4 posted on 04/11/2008 2:44:14 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Domandred

Will it work on my HP?

I hate Vista.


5 posted on 04/11/2008 2:44:50 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: HAL9000

My company will hold out on XP by our fingernails if we have to. As for the post-Vista Windows? Who knows.


6 posted on 04/11/2008 2:45:09 PM PDT by Hazwaste (Vote! Vote for the conservative local, state, and national candidates of your choice, but VOTE!)
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To: fanfan

Not sure on HP because HP/Compaq used to be notorious for not letting you strip the hard drive and putting your own stuff on it.

I just purchased two dells less then a month ago with Vista installed. Tested Vista for less then 24 hours before I yanked it off and put XP on instead...went flawlessly.


7 posted on 04/11/2008 2:48:57 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: HAL9000

Video now “unavailable”.


8 posted on 04/11/2008 2:52:10 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Domandred

What am I doing wrong?

My Vista system works very well. Please let me know problems I should be seeing and how to duplicate said problems.


9 posted on 04/11/2008 2:56:34 PM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: martin_fierro

works for me..


10 posted on 04/11/2008 2:57:34 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: tokenatheist
Please let me know problems I should be seeing and how to duplicate said problems.

Are you sure you want me to answer?

Yes

Well see I'd go to run programs I normally run and it would prompt me to make sure I really wanted to run it all the time.

Are you sure you want to hit [Enter]

Yes

Then when I tried to uninstall anything (the factory crap like A (are you sure you want to Shift-Caps these letters...YES) OL it would give me all kinds of grief then even more prompting.

Are you sure you want to hit [Enter]

Yes

Think the last straw was when I tried to turn off the stupid prompts (are you sure you want to turn off the prompts...YES) and it asked me again. But it didn't actually turn them all off and I (are you sure you want to use the pronoun I...YES YOU STUPID PIECE OF JUNK I AM SURE. That's IT.... FDISK, Format, Install XP)

Hi Welcome to Windows XP, would you like to take a tour?

No

Okay then have a nice day.

11 posted on 04/11/2008 3:03:29 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: martin_fierro

Are you logged on - with Vista?


12 posted on 04/11/2008 3:03:50 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("If someone who has access to the press says something over and over again, people believe it"- B.C.)
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To: HAL9000

A few months ago, MS even removed the authentication in hoped that people would steal VISTA.

It is so bad that they wouldn’t.

The latest VISTA SP1 (from what I’ve read) creates more problems than it solves. It causes many add-ons and peripherals to stop working.


13 posted on 04/11/2008 3:04:59 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: HAL9000

After giving up on Vista, I took the plunge and bought a MacPro laptop.

So far, so good. It connected to my household wireless in seconds, something that for 3 weeks I still couldn’t get Vista to do.


14 posted on 04/11/2008 3:08:19 PM PDT by toddlintown (On Obama's moral compass, "N" doesn't stand for "North.")
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To: HAL9000

A friend this very afternoon dropped off his girlfriend’s new Vista-run Dell with me and asked me to please stop it from crashing for no apparent reason. I’m not hopeful. If I can’t stop the random crashes, I’ll trash the Vista and install XP. This sort of thing shouldn’t be necessary in a mature field of technology.


15 posted on 04/11/2008 3:16:12 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Domandred

Thanks, Domandred.

I suspected my HP might start to smoke if I tried to load XP.


16 posted on 04/11/2008 3:22:44 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: HAL9000
If you can graph my enthusiasm for Vista it looks just like a “W”. But I'm heading on a downward trend again. I just developed an unexplained “stuttering” in my video and audio. My system is top of the line: Core 2 Quad, GE Force 8800, 4 Gig ram, 500G SATA hard drive ... and it frickin’ “stutters”. I has to be something in Vista.
17 posted on 04/11/2008 3:29:34 PM PDT by LiberConservative (Part of the "Vast Typical White Guy Conspiracy")
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To: tokenatheist
What am I doing wrong?
My Vista system works very well.

Same here. On three computers. We sure must be lucky, huh?

18 posted on 04/11/2008 4:03:15 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Vista since Nov and quite happy...printer, wireless, and camera all fire up without inserting discs....syncing with cell phone nicely....


19 posted on 04/11/2008 4:32:55 PM PDT by nodakkid
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To: Domandred
I highly recommend anyone getting a new computer to upgrade from Vista to WindowsXP. Vista is a complete joke.

I just ordered a new Dell desktop with XP Pro. You can still get XP.

20 posted on 04/11/2008 4:34:09 PM PDT by pt17
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To: tokenatheist
Open Qbasic

Type

10 PRINT "BITE ME!"
20 GOTO 10

And run

21 posted on 04/11/2008 4:35:05 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: pt17

got mine at a retail store. didn’t have a choice, got what i got.


22 posted on 04/11/2008 4:36:19 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: qam1

Are you sure you want to BITE ME?

Sorry couldn’t resist


23 posted on 04/11/2008 4:36:56 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Domandred
HP/Compaq used to be notorious for not letting you strip the hard drive and putting your own stuff on it.

I have tools in my kit that no OS can stand up to. If I want XP on a box that had Vista on it...ain't nothing stopping me.

24 posted on 04/11/2008 4:47:01 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (A couple of pints and a package of crisps. Ahhh...life's good.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort; tokenatheist
What am I doing wrong?

Are you running 64-bit Vista?

Install VMware Server then try to connect to Local Host.

25 posted on 04/11/2008 4:58:24 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Yes I am running x64 Vista.

But how about you give me a test using a product that is supported on Vista?

http://vmware.com/products/beta/vmware_server/vmserver2.pdf

Please see page 25.


26 posted on 04/11/2008 5:07:53 PM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: Domandred
I just purchased two dells less then a month ago with Vista installed. Tested Vista for less then 24 hours before I yanked it off and put XP on instead...went flawlessly.

Smart move. 6 months on and Vista is still pissing me off on a daily basis.

I want to upgrade to XP, but here's a question.

I have an Acer 1610 and they do have XP drivers available on their site for it but while I know computers very well I'm no expert, so I don't have full confidence in my ability to switch.

However, One bad thing that could be a plus is it only came with a 111GB hard drive which I'm filling up rapidly (I have lots of pictures & videos), so I am going to need another hard drive. This is no problem, There's plenty of space & plugs in my computer for it. I'm looking at getting 500gb one which by itself should be more than I will ever need.

Now if I buy a new hard drive, can I install XP on the new drive, put the right drivers on it and then just switch the plugs to make that my C:\ (boot up)drive? If anything goes wrong then I can just switch them back. And if it does work, just delete all the vista files and use the current hard drive I have as back up & storage.

I know I will have to reinstall much of my software, but it would be worth it to escape Vista Hell

27 posted on 04/11/2008 5:22:07 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1

What issues have you been having?


28 posted on 04/11/2008 5:51:21 PM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: HAL9000

I just bought my first Apple iMac for my 13 yo daughter. No more MS until vista is gone. I would buy MS if they keep XP Pro available. I have like 4 desktops and 3 laptops and 1 iMac now. Next laptop will be a Mac. See ya MS!


29 posted on 04/11/2008 5:55:43 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (All my bullets are dipped in PIG fat. How about yours?)
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To: tokenatheist
Yes I am running x64 Vista.
But how about you give me a test using a product that is supported on Vista?

Pw3nd.. :)

30 posted on 04/11/2008 5:58:13 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: tokenatheist

Ahh. So you recommend beta software over mature software?


31 posted on 04/11/2008 6:21:57 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

VMWare Server 1.0.x isn’t supported on Vista either.

However both versions of VMWare server run rather well under WS2008


32 posted on 04/11/2008 6:27:11 PM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: tokenatheist

I was only discussing Vista. That’s the version I have issues with.


33 posted on 04/11/2008 6:29:06 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Again, what are those issues? And no running unsupported software isn’t an issue - it is user error.


34 posted on 04/11/2008 6:30:32 PM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: tokenatheist
it is user error.

No--it's a requirement. Digitally signed drivers are not a protection--it's another way for the OS to get in the way of productivity. MS just cannot figure out security. The *nix model works just fine. Why can't MS emulate that, instead of trying to re-invent the (very mature) wheel?

35 posted on 04/11/2008 6:33:43 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Which Unix security model are you referring to? There exist only about half a dozen or so.


36 posted on 04/11/2008 6:35:37 PM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: tokenatheist

Does it matter? They’re all better than the nightmare that MS foisted on us.


37 posted on 04/11/2008 7:05:54 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

And what is so wrong with the Vista security model?


38 posted on 04/11/2008 7:08:58 PM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: tokenatheist
"Again, what are those issues? And no running unsupported software isn’t an issue - it is user error."

Besides being slow and unstable, Vista isn't backwards compatible with proprietary corporate software...in fact, isn't even backwards compatible with shelfware like Peachtree Accounting products that run just fine under Windows XP.

Vista is also short on drivers for old hardware, greatly limiting where it can even be used.

You seem to like it, though...so before you give me your great (probably canned) speech about Vista issues being "by design" or "user error" or the "Fault of 3rd party failure to write to MS specs or standards" or any other spiel that you naively think that I haven't heard, first please tell me what is your dog in the race...

For instance, do you make your living from MS products or service or related support...or are you on any MS related or sponsored payrolls...and do you have to use Vista in a corporate legacy environment or do you have the luxury of using Vista only on new hardware and only running new shelfware?

39 posted on 04/11/2008 7:19:44 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: toddlintown
After giving up on Vista, I took the plunge and bought a MacPro laptop.

As a Mac representative told me: "Vista is the best product release that Apple's ever had, as long as I've been a rep!"

He showed me his sales figures, and it was quite obvious. In fact, Vista was the reason I was talking to him--i.e., considering a switch to Macs.

40 posted on 04/11/2008 9:05:57 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Domandred

It was quite telling when Dell made it so you could get XP as an option on only HIGH-end systems.


41 posted on 04/11/2008 9:10:32 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: ShadowAce
I built the computer I am now using. I first installed XP Home on it. I could not get the audio to work, I reinstalled XP still nothing. I made it a dual boot and added Ubuntu and the audio worked. Then I loaded Vista Enterprise and the audio worked fine.XP is the only OS I have had problems with on this machine. I have not had any problems other than unsupported software. I am look for a program that will make those colorful texts. I seldom use IE, most of the time I on Foxfire. tonight I am running safar.i
42 posted on 04/11/2008 9:28:35 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Sometimes it is hard to be honest and humble at the same time.)
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To: HAL9000

Vista is indeed garbage.

Gates, you swine, we are coming for your scalp.

-ccm

43 posted on 04/11/2008 9:55:29 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Southack

Funny how the guffaws ended after you posted this.


44 posted on 04/11/2008 10:08:44 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: HAL9000
I remember when Windows XP first came out in 2001 how many people complained about resource usage back then. Given how cheap RAM memory is nowadays if you can put in 4 GB of RAM Windows Vista actually works quite well.
45 posted on 04/11/2008 11:00:42 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88
"Given how cheap RAM memory is nowadays if you can put in 4 GB of RAM Windows Vista actually works quite well."

If you are a home or college user, sure.

But if you are a corporate user who needs to run proprietary company programs that were written for XP or Win2K, then you are SOL on Vista because Vista isn't backwards compatible.

Likewise, if you are a small business user or a gamer, you'll find that Vista won't run commercial shelfware that runs just fine on XP and Win2K.

And if you are a poweruser...forget networking speed and on-line DSL speed.

Moreover, you'll get to see something under Vista that you probably haven't seen since NT 3.5...the blue screen of death.

Waking up from hibernation?! Allow minutes, not miliseconds.

And running your old printers and scanners?! Forget it; Vista doesn't have the drivers.

But wait...what does that mean...doesn't have the "drivers?"

It means that Vista isn't backwards compatible with Windows 2000 and Windows XP drivers. The one key selling point of Windows was always that it was backwards compatible, and Microsoft threw that baby out with the Vista bathwater.

When Microsoft tells you that the drivers for your old printer and scannners don't exist for Vista, what they are actually telling you is that Microsoft is selling you a non-Windows product labeled Vista.

But it really won't run Windows software and drivers.

Vista is the Windows ME of our time. It's the DOS 4.0 of our Age.

46 posted on 04/11/2008 11:47:38 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

When I purchased my new laptop last summer, I searched to find a good one that still had XP installed by manufacturer. Found a great Sony Vaio laptop that cost more than I wanted to pay but it has been worth it. Not one minute of problems with XP.

Not being a Techie - I just couldn’t hassle with getting one with Vista on it and switching over to XP.

The Sony people said they keep these two laptop models available for those who demand XP in their corporate world of clients.

And there are many.


47 posted on 04/12/2008 4:39:52 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Southack

Before I post my entire professional history I invite you to do the same.


48 posted on 04/12/2008 5:50:22 AM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: Southack

Don’t forget that what Microsoft *thought* would happen is that Vista’s lack of driver support would cause most people to buy new hardware, just for Vista. That would have made the hardware vendors happy, right?

They’re *still* surprised at just how badly that was recieved.

***

Also do not forget that Vista *isn’t* the total rewrite we were originally promised. There are *still* vast swaths of code in Vista and Office that Microsoft has NO IDEA WHATSOEVER how it works or what it does.


49 posted on 04/12/2008 6:48:16 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: HAL9000

AH, OK — I’m using Firefox with NoScript and AdBlockPlus plugins.

Once I turned *all* those off, the video ran.


50 posted on 04/12/2008 8:23:09 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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