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Six Things in Expelled That Ben Stein Doesn't Want You to Know...
Scientific American ^ | April 16, 2008 | John Rennie and Steve Mirsky

Posted on 04/17/2008 10:54:25 AM PDT by Boxen

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To: Boxen

It’s just a movie...


61 posted on 04/17/2008 11:44:15 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: weegee
Odd too that science is unwilling to declare WHEN life begins even though there are millions of prenancies to observe but they are quite sure of the latest theory of HOW life began.

I have no dog in this fight, but I'll bump this thread for that line alone. Well done, weegee.

62 posted on 04/17/2008 11:44:43 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: weegee

I’m well aware of the differentiation between an athiest and an agnostic, seeing as I consider myself the latter.

The way I put my personal belief system is that I’m open to the existence of beings more powerful than us, but any god whose sole concern is the life on Earth can’t be a very important god. That being said, from your 3 choices, I’ll pick B or C, more likely C than B but I’m willing to consider both options.

I’ll go one further than you with respect to AGW though. CO2 makes up 380ppm of our atmosphere, to put that into perspective, it’s 0.03% of the dry atmosphere (it goes down to about 1/4 of that value if you include moisture, but atmospheric composition is relatively constant when moisture is normalized out.) How can a gas that makes up so little of the atmosphere have such a large effect? It’s not possible. Water vapour makes up more of the atmosphere on average and has a stronger “greenhouse” effect associated with it than CO2. Also, CO2 concentrations lag temperature changes.


63 posted on 04/17/2008 11:45:49 AM PDT by AntiKev ("The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena." - Carl Sagan)
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To: Boxen

Curious if they make similiar complaints about the staging of basically every Michael Moore and Al Gore movie.


64 posted on 04/17/2008 11:49:37 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: Boxen
Why can't Evolution & Intelligent Design be compatible?If Science teaches us anything, it is that we know 1/10 of 1%
about our own world much less the Universe. In addition, when evolution shows me the missing link between man & ape -then they will have something.
65 posted on 04/17/2008 11:50:17 AM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: dmz
Good. Maybe they'll make enough money that they'll be able to produce Expelled - The Sequel.

;-)

66 posted on 04/17/2008 11:51:03 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: theBuckwheat
Their theory depends upon life appearing spontaneously from non-living matter.

So you believe there are two kinds of matter - living and non-living?

You're "science" is almost 200 years out of date.

67 posted on 04/17/2008 11:52:33 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: Boxen
5) Science does not reject religious or "design-based" explanations because of dogmatic atheism.

Boy, I had to laugh out loud at this one. It's like Hillary saying Bill was the perfect husband.

68 posted on 04/17/2008 11:53:34 AM PDT by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: nmh
Indeed! ONLY God, ceates life.

Is God alive?

Where did his life come from?

69 posted on 04/17/2008 11:53:47 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: MeanWestTexan
Curious if they make similiar complaints about the staging of basically every Michael Moore and Al Gore movie.

Maybe, but then again, that's not their thing, Science is. Regardless, it is an intellectually dishonest tactic, whether Mikey Moore does it, or this movie. Its a shame.

70 posted on 04/17/2008 11:54:02 AM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: trumandogz

Are you kidding? Some fundamentalists hate the Catholics more than they hate the Muslims or atheists.


71 posted on 04/17/2008 11:54:46 AM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: AntiKev

When those who choose not to believe in God, cannot believe in God, or for whatever other reason do not believe in God (the right not to do so I fully support, although I do believe) say things like you said: “ I’m not a religious person myself, and I find no need for it, but if you need to believe to get through your day, go ahead. I won’t stop you,” you sell believers short. You seem pretty intelligent, so I must assume you meant it as a slight to believers.

Many of us who believe in God do not do so “to get through our day” as you say. We believe because we are led to believe. I imagine that there are some who say they believe in order to comfort themselves in some manner, and others who say they believe in order to fit in with those they wish to associate with. There may be other reasons for SAYING that one believes when one does not really believe.

But I venture to say that MOST of those who believe in God do so out of a sense of internal logic, personal experience and/or a true, abiding faith totally independent of any comfort or relief that the belief may provide. In fact, there are many religious believers whose faith requires them to deny themselves pleasures and benefits that, as a matter of convenience, they would never do by choice.

In short, true faith is not something one merely elects to have (or pretend to have). For those who do not believe and who say so, I respect that and I respect the honesty of it. Because I believe, however, I hope and pray (yes, pray) that non-believers will be open to receiving the gift of faith if that gift should find its way to their doorstep.


72 posted on 04/17/2008 11:55:12 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: stuartcr

Agreed. I enjoy a rousing (*dons monocle*) debate as much as the next guy, but some people (read: FR, the internet, etc) will always take this kind of stuff too seriously.


73 posted on 04/17/2008 11:55:17 AM PDT by Boxen (If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate!)
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To: weegee
We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment.

..except of course those innocent babies our civilized medical men butcher clear up until they are almost born, but hey, those high-minded science-lovers do everything else to keep people alive, right?

74 posted on 04/17/2008 11:56:30 AM PDT by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: Boxen
Not really. I'm attacking the fact that the supposedly most big-name "scientific" journal in the country is threatened by this film. Therefore, for it to provoke such rage, it must really be on target. If it was just silly, no one would pay any attention to its arguments.

And I'm not a professional debater either, but I think that's called "logic."

75 posted on 04/17/2008 11:57:11 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: TruthConquers
So, have they done a point by point dissection on Al Bore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth?”

Silly! That movie doesn't threaten their belief system!

76 posted on 04/17/2008 11:58:22 AM PDT by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: 50sDad

I wasn’t aware that evolutionary biologists were doing abortions in there spare time.

Please do provide proof of what you say. It would be most interesting.


77 posted on 04/17/2008 11:59:18 AM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: Boxen

I’ve been burned too many times by Hollywood. I’ll wait for the DVD, rather than pay more for popcorn and a drink than another (possibly) bad movie/`documentary’.
Anyway, from your post it looks like `Wild Ben’ Stein—like Mikey Moore—is preaching to the choir, and he’s one of the reasons I cancelled my Weekly Standard.


78 posted on 04/17/2008 12:07:57 PM PDT by tumblindice (Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols!)
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To: LS
You're begging the question, too. How do you know that anyone is threatened by this film? I'm guessing the authors are attacking the film because they it is untrustworthy in the way it communicates its message, not because they feel "threatened". for instance, suppose your spouse lies to you about something. Do you just let the lie pass, merely because it doesn't "threaten" you?

Also, would you like to point out some of the "rage" in the article?

Hey! I've got an even better idea! Let's discuss the points in the actual article, not the manner of the arguer! Seriously. To do otherwise is fallacious and disingenuous to the argument.
79 posted on 04/17/2008 12:10:53 PM PDT by Boxen (If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...Checkmate!)
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To: LS

Hey, you know what’s ironically funny?

Homosexuals at Scientific American defending evolution.


80 posted on 04/17/2008 12:12:11 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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