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Republicans long term gain if Obamanation wins
05/25/2008 | Jyro

Posted on 05/25/2008 7:52:30 PM PDT by jyro

I'm currently of the opinion the disaster that has been president Bush for the last few years (yes, I was a supporter of George till he quit being a conservative) should cause Obamanation to win.

I'm all for fighting the war over there. What I'm not for is letting the current congressional majority pass whatever they want and the President not showing any leadership skills with Republicans currently in congress. RINO's like McCain have ruined the party with their descent to moderation from Regan style Republican values.

Obama should win this election so the nation can see the real differences in liberals and conservatives since Bush and McCain have clouded the differences so much. I feel like if Obama dosent win, Republicans will lose in the longrun. If Republicans become a different flavor of liberal, what good are they.


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1 posted on 05/25/2008 7:52:30 PM PDT by jyro
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To: jyro

So if Obama wins, Republicans in DC will become more conservative??

Fat chance!


2 posted on 05/25/2008 7:56:20 PM PDT by airborne (LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)
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To: jyro

What about what happens to the United States of America with and Hussein win?


3 posted on 05/25/2008 7:57:20 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: airborne

no, voters will see the real differences in liberals and conservatives and demand and vote for more conservative candidates


4 posted on 05/25/2008 7:59:21 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: jyro

I understand where you’re coming from, but we can not let a neo-communist become president. If Barack Obama were a garden variety lefty democrat like Geraldine Ferraro, Walter Mondale, Mike Dukakis, Bill Richardson or the like, I’d say, “yeah, go ahead and punish the country for four years if that’s what it’d take for them to see the light”, but Obama is not like those individuals. We’d have a Saul Alinksy-ite, ACORN organizer, Bill Ayers chum running the most powerful nation on Earth! Too risky, FRiend! WAY too risky!


5 posted on 05/25/2008 8:00:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: jyro

I never could grasp the concept of winning by losing, but maybe I was not in school that day......


6 posted on 05/25/2008 8:00:44 PM PDT by trimom
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To: Patrick1

it won’t be good but 4 years of him won’t doom us.


7 posted on 05/25/2008 8:00:54 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: jyro
You are flame bait.

If Hussein wins it's the end of this country, period because Soros has his hand up his ass.

8 posted on 05/25/2008 8:02:05 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: jyro

What about eight?


9 posted on 05/25/2008 8:03:20 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m voting for McCain, but if Obamanation wins, I can see the bright side. There are enought actual conservative Dems, (about like McCain) that won’t let Obama do a lot.


10 posted on 05/25/2008 8:04:18 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: jyro

The further left that “normal” goes, the more you move the ‘center’. Sounds rather destructive to me.


11 posted on 05/25/2008 8:05:33 PM PDT by allmost
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To: jyro

You don’t win by losing.

It’s that simple.


12 posted on 05/25/2008 8:06:14 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: jyro
The Republican Party no longer supports conservatives.

They've decided to pander to the same dependent, nanny-staters that the Dems do.

If you're counting on the Republican Party to become more conservative after losing to more liberal candidates, you're going to be disappointed.

13 posted on 05/25/2008 8:06:25 PM PDT by airborne (LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)
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To: Patrick1

It’s just speculation but I don’t thing he’ll see 8. After the public sees what he wants to actually do, he will be handily rejected


14 posted on 05/25/2008 8:07:55 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: jyro
Just the thread I've been waiting for! :-)

I think that a McCain win would be a severe loss and disaster for conservatives, or any American who wants the nations immigration laws enforced for just one example.

And I have maintained and posted constantly that Obama elected president would be similar to when Clinton was, and would unite conservatives even more than he did.

Of course I supported Fred Thompson and realize no real conservative will be president this time, but I watched the Libertarian Convention this weekend and am looking into Bob Barr.

15 posted on 05/25/2008 8:09:41 PM PDT by msnpatriot
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To: jyro

I have been saying this for some time.Now the rino lovers wont like this but the rino lovers can go pound sand.Fat chance of taking back the house if mcnutts wins.Better chance if the marxist takes it.What a pathetic field to choose from.


16 posted on 05/25/2008 8:11:24 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: jyro

LOL, you’re very funny.


17 posted on 05/25/2008 8:12:26 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: jyro
If Republicans become a different flavor of liberal, what good are they.

John Roberts and Samuel Alito vs Ruth Buzzi Ginsburg and Steven Breyer.

18 posted on 05/25/2008 8:13:38 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: jyro

There is no guarantee of that. Do not assume that free elections will be held under an Obama/Wright administration. Their New America could mean 100 million new immigrant voters by the next election, carefully selected so as to vote the way they are told.


19 posted on 05/25/2008 8:15:28 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: jyro

I think you are making a good point.
The people who are scared of what Obama might do as President also have a good point.


20 posted on 05/25/2008 8:17:22 PM PDT by devere
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To: jyro

How much did the ghost of Saul Alinsky pay you to say this? Pretty clever, aren’t we?


21 posted on 05/25/2008 8:18:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: iowamark
Their New America could mean 100 million new immigrant voters by the next election, carefully selected so as to vote the way they are told.

I think this is what Juan McCain is looking for as well.

22 posted on 05/25/2008 8:19:41 PM PDT by alicewonders (I'm a conservative, and I'm hated by the GOP & the Dems - I must be doing something right!)
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23 posted on 05/25/2008 8:21:40 PM PDT by airborne (LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)
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To: trimom
I never could grasp the concept of winning by losing, but maybe I was not in school that day......

Many aspire for the "backlash effect" thinking the Dems will badly blow their chance in power that in the next election the electorate will throw them out. Pat Buchanan believed this when he ran as a presidential spoiler in 2000.

Subtraction = addition does not compute. The Conservatives may win in the next election, but the leftists will have entanglement of socialistic, and other bad laws in place that it would be almost impossible to get back to where the country was before. In effect, the ball still gets pushed leftward.

24 posted on 05/25/2008 8:24:56 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: jyro

No, we get a radical rat congress working with a radical rat president to pass disastrous laws. Anything they do will be praised by the lapdog MSM. Obama will get real communists on the Supreme court.

We will get.

Military withdrawal in Iraq, leading to loss of bases and allies in the middle east.

Permanent assault weapons ban along with a supreme court ruling that strikes down right to carry laws nationwide.

National gay marriage.

Major tax increases.

Speech codes that essentially make conservative thought illegal.

$6/gallong gasoline, rationing and mandatory reductions in overall energy use, leading to a depression.

While this is happening, the MSM will praise Obama for his “courageous leadership” and pass all blame to the GOP.


25 posted on 05/25/2008 8:26:34 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: airborne
So if Obama wins, Republicans in DC will become more conservative??

Fat chance!

I agree with the premise. Let's look at this with a historical perspective:

So, if [Jimmy] Carter wins, Republicans in DC will become more conservative??

Heck, yeah! When things go extremely wrong, people will go to extremes. Either for the better (like they did in going from Carter to Reagan) or for the worse (like Lenin's revolution, Hitler's takeover, etc.). Make no mistake: an Obama presidency would be a manifest disaster and what better advertising for the conservative philosophy is there than a beautiful demonstration of what liberalism leads to?

26 posted on 05/25/2008 8:28:31 PM PDT by Señor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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The folks not living in reality who think Obama won’t be that bad are like those who are painting their home and changing the drapes, etc. while their home is on fire.

First things first the fire has to be put out as in WE have a war to win and the issues of serious world affairs.

No other issue matters, if the house burnes down - we loose


27 posted on 05/25/2008 8:29:09 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: jyro

This kind of thing has happened before. The “Republican Revolution” occured just 2 short years after Clinton got elected.


28 posted on 05/25/2008 8:29:40 PM PDT by LiberConservative ("Typical" White Guy)
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To: jyro

If Obama wins, he will do more damage to our nation in four years than you can even imagine.


29 posted on 05/25/2008 8:38:34 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: jyro

That’s what you think. He’s a dangerous man with dangerous friends...


30 posted on 05/25/2008 8:39:29 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Señor Zorro
an Obama presidency would be a manifest disaster and what better advertising for the conservative philosophy is there than a beautiful demonstration of what liberalism leads to?

Except that I don't think Obama will govern from the radical left. He is not so stupid. He will govern from the center left, slightly to the left of Bill Clinton. The only place you will see far left decisions is judicial appointments. For most Americans, this will mean very little change (as from Bush I to WJC), and so with his smooth rhetoric and media fawning, will easily win re-election. Obama is not going to call for a Socialist realignment of America. That is a non-starter.

So those hoping for an unleashing of radical liberalism from Obama will be disappointed.

31 posted on 05/25/2008 8:40:32 PM PDT by nwrep
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And besides judicial appointments, the only other real change will be foreign policy. But most Americans don’t know or care about either. My point is, the damage will only become apparent in the long run. During his time in office, it will all seem fine.


32 posted on 05/25/2008 8:42:31 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: jyro
it won’t be good but 4 years of him won’t doom us. ...

The damage he could do would be felt for many years after he leaves office.

There are enought actual conservative Dems, (about like McCain) that won’t let Obama do a lot.

And any liberal that follows obama can always blame the conservative dems for not moving far enough to the left for obama's plan to work.

33 posted on 05/25/2008 8:45:14 PM PDT by new cruelty
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If the Dems get 60 Senate votes- you won’t recognize this country-
On the bright side- I smell a backlash from fuel prices- the Dems need to be scorched on their blocking energy production for the past 30 years- if needed- throw the Pubbies that voted with them under the bus-


34 posted on 05/25/2008 8:55:09 PM PDT by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: jyro
it won’t be good but 4 years of him won’t doom us.

I can't take four more years of Jimmy Carter and I think BO would be worse!

35 posted on 05/25/2008 9:00:36 PM PDT by lonestar
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[ Obama should win this election so the nation can see the real differences in liberals and conservatives since Bush and McCain have clouded the differences so much. ]

BINGO... America NEEDs to learn by experience Capitalism creates wealth..... Socialism uses wealth UP.. Because generally they are clueless..

36 posted on 05/25/2008 9:06:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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Obama should win this election so the nation can see the real differences in liberals and conservatives since Bush and McCain have clouded the differences so much.

The problem with this is that, even if we get four years of Obama, there's no guarantee the GOP will go back to its conservative roots for the '10 and '12 election campaigns. And God only knows how much damage Barack and his commie buddies will do to this country in the meantime.

37 posted on 05/25/2008 9:07:53 PM PDT by Wade827 (Job 21:3)
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To: jyro; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP; dixiechick2000; All

[Obama should win this election so the nation can see the real differences in liberals and conservatives ]

Dear Lord, what are you thinking??
If Obama wins there may not be such a thing as liberals and conservatives, we may all be socialized INFIDELS!!!


38 posted on 05/25/2008 9:08:31 PM PDT by potlatch (MICHELLE OBAMA - The gift that just keeps on giving....!)
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How do you reconcile your current post with what you have on your home page?

” jyro
Since Sep 10, 2004

I have voted for Democrats before Pelosi, Sorros, Reed and Dean were running the DNC. I can’t imagine a situation where I would vote for a Democrat these days. Every time I hear a Democrat, their talking down about the USA. I fear the loss of most American values under Clinton or Obama or any Democrat’s lead.

President Bush is far from perfect, realistically, what democrat would you have trusted in time of war? I can think of none. “


39 posted on 05/25/2008 9:12:17 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: FocusNexus

I still have those fears if Obama wins and I’m not advocating that he will. I think it will cause a conservative backlash. I stated, I’m voting for McCain.
McCain has blurred the view of what a conservative Republican is in my opinion.


40 posted on 05/25/2008 9:20:58 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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There is no other way to interpret your vanity, except that you hate President Bush and you WANT Obama to win.

"I'm currently of the opinion the disaster that has been president Bush for the last few years (yes, I was a supporter of George till he quit being a conservative) should cause Obamanation to win. "

41 posted on 05/25/2008 9:24:15 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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42 posted on 05/25/2008 9:32:07 PM PDT by cyberella
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To: jyro
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43 posted on 05/25/2008 9:32:58 PM PDT by cyberella
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it won’t be good but 4 years of him won’t doom us.

Maybe you haven't heard of Jimmy Carter and the mess we're dealing with in the middle east 30 years later.

How about LBJ and his great society programs that ruined the poor?

How about FDR and the Ponzi scheme called social security?

Did I mention Bill Clinton and his moral leadership?

Obama will be the "coup de grâce".

We were going to teach the GOP a lesson last election, remember? All we accomplished was to further strenthen the liberal/socialists, and now they are about to put us away.

We conservatives are an endangered species. we have to challenge every liberal every time.

44 posted on 05/25/2008 9:34:18 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Few things are more dangerous than articulate superficiality.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“We’d have a Saul Alinksy-ite, ACORN organizer, Bill Ayers chum running the most powerful nation on Earth!”

And don’t forget his direct access to nuclear weapons. Absolutely frightening. He’ll be like a kid playing with a loaded gun aimed at the country.


45 posted on 05/25/2008 9:34:18 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: FocusNexus

There was no vanity intended, just what I think of President Bush’s current leadership skills. I don’t hate the President, look at my past posts. I’m very dissapointed in him caving to Democrats and not being able to unify the Republican congress to push through votes when we actually had the majority. ANWAR is a perfect example and now we are trying to elect one of the republicans that went against the President’s energy policy that would have allowed drilling for our own resources. All this current oil price is about is the transfer of our wealth to other countries and the current congress and President is allowing it while they investigate important things like baseball.


46 posted on 05/25/2008 9:35:05 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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The republicans are expecting this and this is their contingency?

Why don’t they run a candidate who actually holds the values they state to be their foundation?


47 posted on 05/25/2008 9:43:30 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: potlatch

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Ditto!


48 posted on 05/25/2008 9:44:23 PM PDT by devolve ( -- Remember_when_reading_threads_over_15%_of_FReeper signups_are_sleepers_or_radical_liberals!)
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To: jyro

“There was no vanity intended”

My understanding from comments and context is that posts that are merely a poster’s opinion, but are posted to start a thread are called vanities.

If it hadn’t been for President Bush’s leadership skills, that you so despise, you might not be alive today, we might well have been attacked by the terrorists with WMD.

If you want to blame someone, blame those “principled conservatives” who stayed home in 2006, handing Congress to the Democrats and are about to hand the country to Obama and the Democrats.


49 posted on 05/25/2008 9:52:00 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Interesting Times; Grampa Dave; Travis McGee; ...

50 posted on 05/25/2008 9:52:27 PM PDT by devolve (- Men - I want you all to relax! Let the 101st Airborne try again in 4 years! - Gen. George Patton)
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