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Should Hillary run as an Independent or Third-Party in General?
opinion | 06-02-2008 | brianbaldwin

Posted on 06/02/2008 5:49:19 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin

Listening to the tone of many Hillary supporters, they are angry. Even the slaves in the old slavery states were considered “3/4th’s of a person” under law, but apparently the DNC and many leading Democrats - the same ones who in the General election(s) against Republican Bush demanded that “every vote be counted” - now demand that Michigan and Florida voters only be counted as “1/2 of a person”. One could argue that the DNC elite, which is for Obama, considers these voters as perhaps less than even the slaves of the Old Democratic Party South.

Putting Michigan aside, if you consider that it was actually a Republican decision in Florida that really drove the “DNC rules” around the “punishment” for holding an early primary in Florida, the DNC decision on Florida is an outrage . . .

And, if you really get down to it, no matter who was for what “rule” and when, wouldn’t you think that the Democratic Party would say to hell with the “rule” and instead stand up for the principle that “every vote be counted”?

But no. So we see again, the Democratic Party is the Enemy of Democracy.

So much for Democracy.

Hillary it seems has the majority of the popular vote among Democrats. Or at least it is so close, you cannot call it. My numbers say she took the popular vote.

So why should she take orders from anyone? Just because Nancy Pelosi wants to lick the black polished shoes of a bunch of pressed-pants men in Democratic Party?

I mean, Hillary has to put up with comments that come from a bunch of elitists in the Democratic Party who support Obama, and are going around saying the Hillary voters are a bunch of “under-educated whites”?

Damn straight that's what they have been saying - you've heard it, I've heard it.

That’s the part of the message that really did bother me. The phony old media that supports Obama, and the Democratic elitists who also support Obama and thus do not want to count all the votes because they want to throw the nomination to Barack – they like to talk about the Hillary voters as “under-educated whites”, but in fact those which I have spoken with have all be highly educated. The part that is really racist about such remarks of the US of KKK A crowd and their commmie fellow travelers is, the same phony media and the same elitist Democrats who try to claim that the Obama supporters are “college educated” never seem to put the same perspective regarding all the “African-Americans” who support Obama. I would say 99% of such blacks support Obama, and if you take the average level of education of such supporters, wouldn’t the majority of them also be “under-educated”?

But you will NEVER hear the phony media use terms such as “under-educated blacks” who vote for Obama.

In every way, Hillary is the better candidate than Obama, she not only leads in the popular vote among Democrats, she now has the momentum over Obama not only in the primary contest but in the General against McCain as well.

But Obama is very, very far left, so the Un-Democratic Democrat Party likes Barack. Because he hates America like them.

I always thought that any moderately successful Independent or Third-Party run in the General would for sure come from angry (or excited for that matter) Republicans who would rather go a different way then what the RNC tells them. But the thing is, Hillary probably has enough support at this time, and enough Democrats who love her and are pissed off with the Un-Democratic Democrat Party, that she could actually run a successful Independent or Third-Party campaign.

She probably would not win, but then again – she could actually pull away many “independents” from supporting McCain, and she for sure would get a lot of Democrats voting for her Independent bid who are simply not going to vote for Barack and are now considering McCain.

So actually, the idea is within the realm of possibilities – she could even win the General election as an Independent candidate just so long as her name would be officially on the ballot of all 50 states (or 57 states if you are Obama).

I think Hillary should consider it. Perhaps she owes it to those who support her, and now it seems are supporting her more than ever. Sure, her candidacy in the General would spell the END of Barack Obama, but I am figuring BHO is going to lose to McCain in the General anyway so what difference would it make?

And though the odds would against her (at least initially), she might just very well pull it off and win.

Even if she doesn’t win, she would be setting herself up for a run in 2012.

Because the elitists in the Democratic Party aren’t going to let her run in 2012 as the Democratic Nominee (they will do anything to stop her, and I don't just mean using phony Un-Democratic "Super Delegates")- it doesn’t matter that the majority of Democratic voters want her now, and perhaps in 2012. Because these elitists have put all their eggs in one Obama basket and they will never admit what idiots they are.

And besides, Obama is simply a straw-man for George Soros, and that is who the Democratic Elite loves.

George Soros wants to destroy the economy of the United States by destroying the Middle Class because that is the economy of the United States - the Middle Class. Soros will make a profit of their backs.

And Barack is his straw-man in the deal. The useful idiot who bought the line decades ago and is a hopeless far left loser. The elite in the Un-Democratic Party will profit along with Soros. Because they are all facist pigs.

So even if Hillary is thinking of a Democrat try for it again in 2012, the Un-Democratic elites of the Democratic Party are not going to let her.

Look what they did to Joe Lieberman.

So, since she would need to run as an Independent in 2012 anyway, she might consider running as an Independent right now in 2008 after they illegally hand the illegitimate primary contest over to Barack Obama.

I want to say one more thing to wrap this up. And that is that the phony George Soros media and the Democratic fat-cats of the Party Elite keep telling us what a great orator Barack Obama is. And he's not.

His act is a third-rate shtick. He is not a great orator, he sounds like any high school third-rater who really can't say anything. He mumbles, fumbles, and can't tell us anything. If he isn't giving the empty stump speech that he's memorized, he starts to panic and say "uh" a lot, and he really isn't that very smart.

That is why more Democrats support Hillary than this guy, and understandably so.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: 2008; absolutely; fatchance; heckyes; hillary; obama; thirdparty; yes

1 posted on 06/02/2008 5:49:20 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
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To: Brian_Baldwin

> Should Hillary run as an Independent or Third-Party in General?

That would be a gift from Heaven for the GOP.

Split the Dem vote, McCain goes in on a Landslide. Classic divide-and-conquer.

We should be so lucky!


2 posted on 06/02/2008 5:51:42 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Should Hillary run as an Independent

Yep and my bet is she will. she will get half of obamas votes and show the dems to be the idiots they are. I luv it.

3 posted on 06/02/2008 5:53:42 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: Brian_Baldwin
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4 posted on 06/02/2008 5:54:27 PM PDT by TexasBeth
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To: Brian_Baldwin
One could argue that the DNC elite, which is for Obama, considers these voters as perhaps less than even the slaves of the Old Democratic Party South.

Yesterday I saw a silver Prius with Obama stickers. Curiously, the car also sported a sticker with dogs on it reading "We Bark for Obama." I wonder if the car's owners realized their Party's history with regards to slaves and, in that light, the second bumper sticker was particularly racist.

5 posted on 06/02/2008 5:56:23 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (History is a story written by the finger of God. — C.S. Lewis)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Absolutely!

With Bloomberg as her running mate.

They'd both be happy for her to be on top...

6 posted on 06/02/2008 5:58:20 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
She knows better. If she doesn't concede on Tuesday, she'll be going for the jugular at the convention.

Whatever card she has to play will hit the table 48 hours before the vote. Just long enough to fully fester, but not so long as to lose its effect.

7 posted on 06/02/2008 6:00:01 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Even she's not that power-mad to be that blindly stupid. Way before she'd go third party, she'd just go through the minimum motions of supporting Barry O, with an eye on running against McCain in 2012.

She'd count on the feminazis having long memories. Ask any man with a wife if women can hold grudges. Hell, ask any man with an ex-wife!

8 posted on 06/02/2008 6:00:09 PM PDT by hunter112 (The 'straight talk express' gets the straight finger express from me.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

I’d love it if she did. She’d essentially be pulling a Lieberman on the Democrats if she did that...with the exception being she’d not win as an independent like Joe.


9 posted on 06/02/2008 6:12:51 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Yes. Hillary Clinton should run on a 3rd Party Ticket. Hillary Ross Perot Clinton.


10 posted on 06/02/2008 6:16:27 PM PDT by Twinkie (TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT !!!)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
1) Slaves had NO vote.

2) Slaves counted as 3/5 of a person towards deciding proportional representation issues.

But I'm all for Hillary peeling votes away from Obama.
11 posted on 06/02/2008 6:17:39 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Twinkie

There are lots of FReepers who will vote for her. They hate McCain and have lots in common with her bud Harriet Christian


12 posted on 06/02/2008 6:19:51 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The Bitcons will elect a Democrat by default)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Should Hillary run as an Independent or Third-Party in General?

It's been a while since Communist Party USA ran a candidate. They might be interested.

13 posted on 06/02/2008 6:27:44 PM PDT by ETL
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Run Baby, Run!!!


14 posted on 06/02/2008 6:29:19 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Ask me again tomorrow.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Even the slaves in the old slavery states were considered “3/4th’s of a person” under law

I believe that was 3/5. Still, it may be asking a bit much thinking a hillary supporter can actually read.

I s'pect if you are a B. Hussein fan you think there are United States, uh, states numbering 57, 58 or 59 or something in that neighborhood.

15 posted on 06/02/2008 6:29:25 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Brian_Baldwin

The ultimate insult was giving Obama nearly half the Michigan votes even though he wasn’t on the ballot. Truthfully, Obama is even more dangerous than Hillary because at least Hillary has a bit of reality in dealing with the world whereas Obama is a Pollyanna who would be eviscerated by the people who hate our guts.


16 posted on 06/02/2008 6:29:46 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Check out Laws of Virginia, 1752, Chapter XLII — also Laws of Virginia, 1755, Chapter X.


17 posted on 06/02/2008 6:30:24 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Actually thats a good point.. ALL democrats should be worthy of 1/2 of a real vote.. except the illegal alien ones.. They should be awarded a minus -1/2 of a real vote..


18 posted on 06/02/2008 6:33:02 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: scrabblehack
Check out Laws of Virginia, 1752, Chapter XLII — also Laws of Virginia, 1755, Chapter X.

Care to provide a link, or do I have to walk across Grounds to the UVA Special Collections Library to view the original text?

19 posted on 06/02/2008 6:36:49 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (History is a story written by the finger of God. — C.S. Lewis)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Should Hillary run as an Independent or Third-Party in General?

Clinton is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. No Independent. No third party.

20 posted on 06/02/2008 6:39:01 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Should Hillary run as an Independent or Third-Party in General?

Absolutely! Where do I send my donation for that?

21 posted on 06/02/2008 6:39:19 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Some of the Hillary supporters in Minnesota are PO’ed to the point of saying that they would be voting for McCain.
Minnesota goes red? Must check the temperature in Hell!
Then again, the Wellstone funerally got Norm Coleman and Tim Pawlenty into office.


22 posted on 06/02/2008 7:19:15 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder)
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To: arthurus
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23 posted on 06/02/2008 7:21:25 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: Zack Attack

Do it Hillary and pick Joe Leberman as your VP. Richard Senate


24 posted on 06/02/2008 7:28:09 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: rabscuttle385

http://www.vagenweb.org/hening/vol06-14.htm
http://www.vagenweb.org/hening/vol06-22.htm


25 posted on 06/02/2008 8:01:03 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Brian_Baldwin

One hell of a split for the history books.GARONTEED to wreck the rat party.


26 posted on 06/02/2008 8:07:27 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Fred Hayek

(big grin!)

There is no substance to the Democratic candidates at all this time ‘round.

It can also be argued that there is little substance to theGOP candidate this time, too. But there is the Hell of a lot more going for McCain than for either the HildeBeast or Barak Hussein Osama.

It’s a Devil’s Alternative, granted — but I expect a GOP landslide this time ‘round. Particularly if Billary splits the vote.

That would be just too magical for words!


27 posted on 06/02/2008 9:18:50 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; Brian_Baldwin; All
If both Hildy and Barry are in the General, they will retain their bases.

But, if only one of them makes it to the General, the other's base just might vote for McCain.

Hildy's people won't vote for Barry, vice versa, etc.
(Hopefully)

Those Ratheads gave us McCain, so they sure as anything better vote for him in the General.

One way or another, their gonna pay the piper, sooner or later.
(Preferably sooner)


For those who weren't sure how to pronounce Barrys full name:
Bar Ache! who Sane? Oh, Bumma.

28 posted on 06/02/2008 11:25:03 PM PDT by Fichori (Official Tarbaby of the RF)
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