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Vanity: Send Sen McCain a Message He Can't Easily Ignore
6/4/2008 | Thom Pain

Posted on 06/04/2008 4:51:27 PM PDT by Thom Pain

Like many people I am very conflicted about casting my precious vote for Senator McCain this November. I want to suggest a way to send an irrefutable signal to him that we are voting for him as the least of the evils and NOT because we think he is the Conservative leader we had hoped for.

I think that if Conservatives voted for him by using the Write-In vote as a signal that we demand that he adopt, and actively promote and defend CONSERVATIVE principles and our U.S. Constitution a very strong message would be sent loud and clear. It would alert him that we will be actively pressing him and Congress to stem the growing tide of Leftist policy and that we will not give him and them any rest if they try to ignore the message.

Among the policies (I support) are:

Strong defense, including our borders

Strict constructionism in the courts AT ALL LEVELS

United Nations

Lower and greatly simplified taxes (personal, cap gains, and corporate)

Total ban on earmarks

Fiscal sanity for Social Security

End subsidies and set-asides

Full Value School vouchers

End NPR and similar programs

End non-profits and the abuses they promote

Enforce laws against treason & sedition


TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: conservative; mccain; vote; yayanothervanity
I am suggesting this (or anyone's better idea) to try to keep my head from exploding considering the prospects for the next 4 years and beyond.
1 posted on 06/04/2008 4:51:27 PM PDT by Thom Pain
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To: Thom Pain
I want to suggest a way to send an irrefutable signal to him that we are voting for him as the least of the evils and NOT because we think he is the Conservative leader we had hoped for.

Voting for him based on the self defeating lesser of two evils losing strategy only begets more evil and a socialist President.
2 posted on 06/04/2008 4:55:06 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Thom Pain

I respectfully suggest that if you vote for him in any manner he has every right to assume you approve of his positions .


3 posted on 06/04/2008 4:55:56 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: Man50D

I agree.


4 posted on 06/04/2008 4:57:29 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Thom Pain

Let us see how he votes on the Lieberman-Warner Bill!


5 posted on 06/04/2008 4:57:36 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Man50D
I have always felt that I have to vote for the candidate who is closest (or least farthest) from my views/principles (step one) and then push them as much as possible to move in my direction (Steps 2 thru 10,000). I just hope that, much as President Bush (Father & Son) dissapointed my by moving AWAY from conservatism, we can press soon-to-be President McCain to move TOWARD conservatism.

Just my thoughts.

...and you couldn't get me to vote for a Lib/Dem if you held a gun to my head. Ever.

And, before you say it, not voting is the same as voting for the opposition. Too stupid to even discuss.

6 posted on 06/04/2008 5:05:01 PM PDT by Thom Pain (Defending the Constitution is CENTRIST; not RIGHT WING!)
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To: Thom Pain

I suggest this approach to putting forth a strong message to any candidate for public office.

First, set aside $100 for political contributions. $100 is an arbitrary amount. Set aside however much you think is appropriate for the good government of this great nation.

When the focal candidate promises or takes action that is in accord with the Constitution and laws as put forth by the people, send a $25 check to that candidate’s election fund. When the candidate does something that is harmful to our great nation, send an empty envelope with the message “This envelope would have contained a $25 donation had you not decided to work against this great nation. A donation is waiting for you when you correct your harm or do something good for the nation. Respectfully”


7 posted on 06/04/2008 5:06:27 PM PDT by iacovatx (Self-defense, to the best of one's ability, is a fundamental requirement of life.)
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To: iacovatx

Been doing similar for years!


8 posted on 06/04/2008 5:07:50 PM PDT by Thom Pain (Defending the Constitution is CENTRIST; not RIGHT WING!)
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To: Thom Pain
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Dear Senator McCain: In light of your passion for Algore's Klimate Change Koolaid I make you this promise. Drop the Green nonsense or I will be happy to take a gas holiday on November 4, 2008 and avoid a wasteful trip to the polls.

9 posted on 06/04/2008 5:13:26 PM PDT by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: Thom Pain

Add to that list, DRILL HERE NOW!


10 posted on 06/04/2008 5:15:04 PM PDT by Grunthor (The GOP would be better off LOSING then electing McCain. - MNJohnnie)
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To: iacovatx

I like it.


11 posted on 06/04/2008 5:15:51 PM PDT by Califelephant
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To: Thom Pain

You go on ahead and vote for him. I am tired of this little game.

McCain doesn’t care what you or any conservative thinks, he also won’t pay any attention to your pleas. He’s out courtin’ Indys and Hillary’s old shrews.


12 posted on 06/04/2008 5:17:19 PM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: Thom Pain

“not voting is the same as voting for the opposition”

Only if you ASSume that my vote was going to the Repube no matter what. In actuality I stated at the beginning of the primary process that there were three candidates that I would have a hard time voting for. One of them got the nomination. He’ll get my vote contingent upon his VP pick.

No conservative, no vote.


13 posted on 06/04/2008 5:18:14 PM PDT by Grunthor (The GOP would be better off LOSING then electing McCain. - MNJohnnie)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I’m betting the coward skips it.


14 posted on 06/04/2008 5:19:12 PM PDT by Grunthor (The GOP would be better off LOSING then electing McCain. - MNJohnnie)
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To: Red_Devil 232

The majority of the provisions in the Lieberman-Warner bill are just a rehash of what was in the McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Acts of 2007 and 2005.

If McCain votes against it this time around, he’s doing it for political purposes and is a hypocrite.

If he votes for it, he’s consistent in his stupidity for promoting this destructive nonsense.


15 posted on 06/04/2008 5:19:25 PM PDT by calcowgirl (Schwarzenegger and McCain are trying to castrate the elephant)
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To: Thom Pain
I have always felt that I have to vote for the candidate who is closest (or least farthest) from my views/principles (step one) and then push them as much as possible to move in my direction (Steps 2 thru 10,000).

I don't know how you define "closest" but keep in mind McCain actively sought out socialist Democrats in 2001 when considering becoming a member of their party. John Kerry considered him as a VP running mate for 2004. McCain has been funded by communist billionaire George Soros. McCain has sponsored bill with socialist Democrats Kennedy, Feingold and Lieberman regarding amnesty for illegal aliens, restricting free speech and the false premise of human induced global warming. He has promised to speak and meet with amnesty loving La Raza who wants to take back much of the western U.S. for Mexico. He has publicly stated opposition to drilling in ANWR. Additionally many Clinton supporters are considering voting for McCain. If that's your idea of close then Hitlery is the mother of conservatism.

just hope that, much as President Bush (Father & Son) dissapointed my by moving AWAY from conservatism, we can press soon-to-be President McCain to move TOWARD conservatism.

It's a fallacy to think you can advance the conservative cause by supporting a socialist. McCain has been moving away fron Conservativism for at least 15 years. Thinking he's going to reverse years of socialist thinking in the next four months is wishful thinking to say the least.

And, before you say it, not voting is the same as voting for the opposition. Too stupid to even discuss.

I agree. That's why I'll be voting for a conservative.
16 posted on 06/04/2008 5:19:36 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Thom Pain

Unfortunately, I don’t believe that McCain is a real conservative.

Add to the list: a sane fiscal policy that prevents the government from simply printing new money because it spends too much. $9 trillion dollars of national debt is insane. Every year we spend over $250 billion dollars IN INTEREST. It is a suicidal policy especially when countries like China hold much of our debt. Plus, the creation of new money forces the dollar down, a key factor in rising prices (oil and gas anyone?), and one reason our economy is not progressing as it should.

The one thing I am wary of is “enforcing” treason and sedition laws. REAL treason needs to be punished absolutely. But it is important to remember that we have freedom of speech and that simply because we may find certain speech offensive or seditious, it is not treason unless the speaker knowingly gives information that directly harms the US. I say all this just because I think people get caught up when they perceive some left winger to be seditious. Good post.


17 posted on 06/04/2008 5:21:42 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin
"The one thing I am wary of is “enforcing” treason and sedition laws."

I'm always in favor of enforcing the laws that are on the books, not, as the Libs do, invoking some "new interpretation" when it suits them. If a law is faulty then revoke it via the legislative process. If we aren't going to enforce the laws, we end up being Mexico, Venezuela, etc. I'm not recommending being heavy-handed, I just think that treason/sedition are serious offenses and jeopardize our safety and sovereignty.

18 posted on 06/04/2008 5:41:52 PM PDT by Thom Pain (Defending the Constitution is CENTRIST; not RIGHT WING!)
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To: Thom Pain
McCain could not care less what you think. He apprecaites Hillary and hates conservatives like you.

Mark my words McCain is a traitor to conservatism. Screw him.

19 posted on 06/04/2008 5:45:39 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Thom Pain

You and everyone else IMO will be wasting their time.The old bastard is liberal thru and thru and will screw us in an instant.I’d just as soon have the rat in office screwing it all up for four years and take it back with a conservative at the next election.Would you buy vegetables at market that were as F%cked up as any of these candidates?I wont.


20 posted on 06/04/2008 5:49:03 PM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Thom Pain

If you vote for the man as a write-in rather than as a party nominee, I fear your vote might not count toward getting electoral votes for him. Not sure of how the law works on that, but at the very least you would seem to be leaving a loophole for Demonrat lawyers to exploit, a la Florida in 2000.


21 posted on 06/04/2008 5:51:10 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Thom Pain
Saw McCain in Reno last week. He does not give a rat's a$$ what we think. His whole speech was devoid of action and sounded like a liberal forum. He only mentioned that he reached across the aisle to his liberal friends. Nothing about reaching around for conservatives. He looked limp tired and VERY OLD. Stumbled around even with the teleprompter in a few spots and made it very clear he does not want my help or the help of any conservatives. - even though he wraps himself in the Reagan mantle.
22 posted on 06/04/2008 5:56:22 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Will this thread be jacked by a Mormon?)
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To: mad_as_he$$

he just wants to go down in history with the title. it is all vanity and feels he deserves it.

he will take us down.


23 posted on 06/04/2008 5:58:54 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Thom Pain
McCain would like to hear from you now.

My constituents are important to me.

24 posted on 06/04/2008 6:20:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Let us see how he votes on the Lieberman-Warner Bill!

That should be interesting since it used to be the McCain/Lieberman bill.

EIA's Analysis of the Lieberman-McCain Climate Change Bill Human Events

McCain's Nose-Under-the-Tent Strategy - McCain's "Climate Stewardship Act" (S. 139), co-sponsored with Senator Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.)

Kyoto Through the Back Door? A Debate on the Lieberman –McCain Climate Stewardship Act - Heritage Foundation

25 posted on 06/04/2008 6:23:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: Thom Pain

My suggestion to get McCain’s attention.

Make your contribution check out to the McCain campaign and send it to a third party—— maybe Rush could be the third party. After the third party collects a substantial sum, the checks would be given to the McCain campaign. Maybe McCain would get the idea of our dissatisfaction with some of his positions. Its better than just sending the check to McCain with no message at all.


26 posted on 06/04/2008 6:27:45 PM PDT by wfu_deacons
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To: imahawk
Maybe something like I suggested can send a message to the GOP even when McCain ignores us.

just trying to find a way to salvage SOMETHING from the next 4 years. Better than just conceding, IMHO.

27 posted on 06/04/2008 6:42:39 PM PDT by Thom Pain (Defending the Constitution is CENTRIST; not RIGHT WING!)
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To: wfu_deacons

Why not send him a voided check with the message “close the borders” or “drill our own oil” in the memo line.


28 posted on 06/04/2008 6:59:25 PM PDT by willyd (Tickets, fines, fees, permits and inspections are synonyms for taxes)
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To: willyd

As much as I disagree with McCain, I am truly scared on an Obama presidency. Obama’s speech last night was frightening. We need to send McCain a message without increasing the probability of an Obama presidency.


29 posted on 06/04/2008 7:05:32 PM PDT by wfu_deacons
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To: Thom Pain
....not voting is the same as voting for the opposition. Too stupid to even discuss.

Not rewarding McCain because of his stance on global warming, or open borders, ad nauseum, is the same as a vote for a Democrat? 

But you're absolutely right, of course. Some people are too breathtakingly stupid to reason with. 

30 posted on 06/04/2008 8:57:17 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the girly-man population. Have the McCainiacs spayed or neutered.)
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To: Thom Pain

I think the gop and mcnutts are one in the same and that is rino.Its the country club for those people and more gubment control over us and this from the gop.I think you are just beating a dead horse.We need a new horse in this race but it will take time.


31 posted on 06/04/2008 9:14:26 PM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Thom Pain

I absolutely agree. I’m just cautious of labeling everything that might seem seditious as such because people can get very worked up about it. Obviously treason offends and disgusts most Americans (especially conservatives), but one of the reasons I am so careful about it is because of Woodrow Wilson. Under his leadership and with his support, hundreds (many Republicans) of people were imprisoned for speaking out against the war and Wilson was a Democrat. But I agree that laws must be enforced and repealed (if deemed necessary) through legislation. I was not at all trying to argue that we should ignore the law, just that we as citizens should be careful to call certain things treason/sedition.


32 posted on 06/04/2008 10:32:30 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: Thom Pain

Vote for him. And send him money.


33 posted on 06/04/2008 10:35:00 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (McCain calls it "radical islamic terrorism," the dems don't refer to it at all)
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To: television is just wrong
he just wants to go down in history with the title. it is all vanity and feels he deserves it.

he will take us down.

You are so right. Another Hillary.

34 posted on 06/04/2008 10:39:12 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Thom Pain

Why vote for the lesser evil, vote Cthuhlu in 08!


35 posted on 06/05/2008 10:16:00 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments. Alexander the Great)
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