Skip to comments.Being attacked by Militant Atheist Group - Advise?
Posted on 06/14/2008 8:25:27 PM PDT by Yomin Postelnik
I'm just wondering if anyone had this experience before. I wrote a column about the proof of the existence of a Divine Creator (see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2029192/posts ) and am now getting google stalked by an Atheist Group in Austin, in addition to phone calls and emails.
I'm not going to stop saying/writing what I believe or stop speaking out against these tactics, but was wondering if anyone here had experience and knows what to do about google, etc. I know some of us may disagree on the issues, but I don't think there's much debate about these tactics.
The full story of what happened is available here: http://creationistsearcher.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/on-the-lies-and-harassment-tactics-of-martin-wagner-and-russell-glasser/
Dude, that sucks
Pray for those who persecute you . I have no proof it works , only faith .
Spam is everywhere.. Get a spam filter.. and just delete it all.. No response just delete it as if it didn’t happen....
Your experience proves that atheists are the
most narrow minded, militant and annoying of
ALL evangelical religionists.
BTW... Before Christ, I was (and continue to be)
evangelized far more by atheists and liberals than
I ever was by Christians and conservatives.
Mocking the cycle of life, deviancy must reproduce
itself in order to justify its existence.
HAPPY FATHER’S DAY!
Sic the Jehovah’s Witnesses on them!! LOL
Satan is testing you, remain firm in your convictions and don’t stray from God’s truth......I am sure you do this already but pray before you share your message...if you belong to a church or small group ask them to cover you in prayer.....I and others will lift you up in prayer.....
> and am now getting google stalked by an Atheist Group in Austin, in addition to phone calls and emails.
Right then. It depends what you mean by “Stalked”.
In most jurisdictions it is a crime to use a telephone for the purposes of harassment, and usually your telco will take action if you make a complaint.
Of course, that only works if they are actually harassing you. If all they are doing is providing fair right-of-reply to your messages, you’re on your own.
The Servant in Battle
I bless thee that the issue of the battle between thyself and Satan
has never been uncertain,
and will end in victory.
Calvary broke the dragon’s head,
and I contend with a vanquished foe,
who with all his subtlety and strength
has already been overcome.
When I feel the serpent at my heel
may I remember him whose heel was bruised,
but who, when bruised, broke the devil’s head.
My soul with inward joy extols the mighty conqueror.
Heal me of any wounds received in the great conflict;
if I have gathered defilement,
if my faith has suffered damage,
if my hope is less than bright,
if my love is not fervent,
if some creature-comfort occupies my heart,
if my soul sinks under pressure of the fight.
O thou whose every promise is balm,
every touch life,
draw near to thy weary warrior,
refresh me, that I may rise again to wage the strife,
and never tire until my enemy is trodden down.
Give me such fellowship with thee that I may defy Satan,
unbelief, the flesh, the world,
with delight that comes not from a creature,
and which a creature cannot mar.
Give me a draught of the eternal fountain
that lieth in thy immutable, everlasting love and decree.
Then shall my hand never weaken, my feet never stumble,
my sword never rest, my shield never rust,
my helmet never shatter, my breastplate never fall,
as my strength rests in the power of thy might.
The Valley of Vision, A collection of Puritan prayers and devotions, edited by Arthur Bennett (Edinburgh: Banner of Truth, 1983), p. 181.
Guys, I can’t tell you how very touched I am by your comments. I really appreciate them, I can’t tell you how much. May all of you be blessed as well and we’ll pray for each other. Thanks so much. You’re all really great and you don’t know how helpful your comments are.
I fyou are physically being stalked then a good course of action is to establish where (most important) and when (extremely helpful). If you establish where you are being stalked get some friends that will be willing to help in a stakeout from point a to point b. All should be armed with video cameras so the perps can be caught in the act. But before you go to the police try to gather as much info via email threats, calls that can further tie the perp that will inevitably deny any such stalking activity. That’s when you drop the boom...
I agree with what some others here have said. If the atheists are merely responding to you, you have no recourse. However, if they are really harrassing and stalking you, get the proof and take it to the police.
Several years ago, we had someone who would call on the phone and then hang up as soon as we answered. He would do this several times a day. We contacted the police and they tried a phone tap, but for technical reasons couldn’t find out who it was. Finally, we changed our phone number and got an unlisted number and haven’t had that problem since.
You posted one of the absolutely most scientifically ignorant posts of all time on FR and now you are afraid of the response?
Yomin Postelnik (1977- ) is a political commentator with a conservative bent who lives in Florida. Postelnik was born in Montreal, Canada in 1977. He has written on conservative philosophy and has proposed solutions to current political and social issues. His columns are regularly featured in Canada Free Press. Postelnik received a Rabbinic degree in 2000 from the Rabbinical College of Canada. He has written on the Arab-Israeli conflict, stressing that dialogue and good will must be fostered and should be the focus of concentrated efforts as opposed to land deals, which he views as temporary fixes to a larger problem. He is also a grant writer and consultant for dozens of non-profit organizations throughout the United States. Most recently he was involved in an in-depth debate on atheism and evolutionary science, taking place in May 2008. The debate was proposed by Postelnik after several atheists supposedly took points Postelnik had made in a non-related column out of context. Postelnik brought several arguments he believed to be pointing to the existence of a divine creator and posed several questions on Darwinian theory. The transcript is available at Myth Debunker.
He is also scientifically illiterate and because of this does more harm to his friends than his enemies
If they're going through all that trouble, they're extremely militant, and each one probably has no life outside the internet.
I don't understand, though, how someone "google harrasses" someone else. Bumping your article to the top and complaining about your article only brings more attention to it, and I would think a writer would consider that a good thing. Like some talk show radio hosts who make a living angering people, maybe you can capitalize on the attention, and it can work in your favor. No one wants to hire a writer to whom readers pay no attention. But they might want to hire a writer who drives people mad, right?
“...and am now getting google stalked by an Atheist Group in Austin...”
You might be dealing with the remnants of the REAL American Atheist group.
I.e., the one that Madalyn Murray O’Hair ran before she and some others
got sent to their “reward” by some of her employees.
(Funny, documentaries never mention if her killer(s) were devout atheists
Head for the catacombs if necessary!
FR is regularly used by wannabe writers as a source of free publicity. Take a look at his claim to fame post, and even if you agree with him, you have to see that he is a horrible writer.
> The genius uses his real name as a screen name and has his own wiki entry: (snip)
> He is also scientifically illiterate and because of this does more harm to his friends than his enemies (snip)
> FR is regularly used by wannabe writers as a source of free publicity. Take a look at his claim to fame post, and even if you agree with him, you have to see that he is a horrible writer.
Mate, to be frank: I find personal-attack posts like yours to be a crashing bore. I bet others do, too.
You’re saying he deserves to be harassed because he has the guts to use his real name and his world view isn’t up to your personal standards? I would say that he should expect it, since there are so many judgmental a-holes in the world, but that doesn’t mean he deserves it.
The thing is I can defend what I say within the rules
No, I'm saying that this person is so unaware, or so in need of attention, that he or she uses their real, very unique name on the internet, and is surprised when people harrass him or her. My 12 year old niece knows better. And also, he or she wants to claim erudition when he or she misstates basic scientific facts in its article.
> The thing is I can defend what I say within the rules
Then do so. You’ve been around long enough to know how it’s done properly.
I am a geologist in training and know much of the fossil record and do not believe in Darwin. Nor do dozens of scientists who got their degrees from accredited universities.
That isn’t what your first post sounded like at all. I agree that the responses are to be expected if you put yourself out there. As for his writing; you can disagree with his conclusions, I know I do, but he writes well enough.
[... I find personal-attack posts like yours to
be a crashing bore. I bet others do, too...]
See "Strata Smith" and get back to me when your training is complete.
Read this man’s original post. He is just simply ignorant of scientific method and loose with fact. He then uses FR to promote his writings.
If you are a “professional writer”, then you should be able to defend your writing against criticism.
You seem like you enjoy insulting people by stating the obvious. I am not going to tell you if I am an old earth or young earth creationist because it does not matter in mu point that evolution is one of the least probable events that can occur.
What is your explanation for the evident increase of complexity in fossils from older strata to newer ones? How old do you think the Earth is? If Darwin was wrong, how do you explain the origin of species?
Darwin himself could not explain the appearance of life from nonliving matter and no one has come up with an answer as of yet. Even if we could get this event to happen we would need it to occur millions of times in different locations to ensure a rich enough source of DNA/RNA to continue the increase in complexity and counteract localized extinction events.
You are apparently young, so I will be as kind as I can.
You will never have confidence in your own beliefs until you adopt an epistimological methodology. You can simply adopt faith, which is believing what you are told by an accepted authority or believing what feels good, or you can adopt scientific methodology and at least test your beliefs against empirical evidence.
As a geologist in training, you apparently have some affinity for science. I suggest it as your epistimological paradigm.
Most creationists have been forced to accept "micro-evolution" because it has been so thoroughly demonstrated as fact. They resist "macro-evolution" because it has implications for creationism as described in The Bible.
All normal matter is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. This includes the Pope, a turnip, and the gravel in your driveway.
Being alive then is not what we are made of, but an arrangement of those things or a process involving those things
We can show that chemicals combine in predictable ways based simply on their outer shell electrons. We can create the chemicals of life in a lab. We can demonstrate scientifically, evolution up to the point of viruses. On the other side of the inanimate/ animate divide is generally accepted "micro-evolution"--accepted even by ID and Creationist proponents.
The "holy grail objection" of Creationist/IDers is proof of the animation of inanimate matter. I believe we will be able to produce simple life in a laboratory soon based on the current state-of-the-art biological paractices. But even before that, as a rational, science-leaning, seeker of knowledge have you:
Ever wondered at the fact that the introduction of a chemical that interupts the process of a critical enzyme causes life to cease and the once living thing to become just a mass of chemicals which breaks down into component elements? In other words, we have known that the reverse of the process of life, death, is chemical or physical. Why shouldn't the process of life be the same?
Why do you have to be condescending?
You yourself said I believe in the future science will.... You have total faith in science and the physical world around you.
I'm sorry. Are you going to address my statement?
Also it is impossible for me to argue with an evolutionist because any evidence I give will be cited as some sort of logical fallacy.
Mr. Postelnik, your article exhibited a gross ignorance of logical argumentation exceeded only by your gross ignorance of the subject matter you discussed, Mr. Postelnik. If people respond negatively to such a an article as that, you shouldn’t be surprised.
To everyone else here, your replies of encouragement and support speak well of you all, but sadly Mr. Postelnik is taking advantage of your kindness. His claims of harassment are unfounded whereas he’s attacked other’s wikipedia pages with libelous claims (his IP was logged doing this), spread a press release about this so-called “attack” he’s suffering, and has threatened legal action all because he wrote a really poor article riddled with errors and is upset anyone would actually point those errors out.
Your argument that “You throw a person into a blender you have done nothing to change the physical make up of their body, yet they are now dead.” is exactly the point. God isn’t involved.
If God isn’t necessary to end a life process, why do you think it is necessary to begin it?
Creating life has nothing in common with destroying life. I can destroy a car, for example; I cannot design a car from scratch.
I'll be holding my breath on you biology experiment. Good luck.
You can not destroy what the car is made of. A car is just a special arrangement of atoms. It was designed by an animal that evolved from animals that are also just special arrangements of atoms.
He is not complaining about CRITICISM. He is being harassed by left-wing evolutionists. Difference.
One direction is more difficult, I would say impossible, than the other direction.
I see no compelling reason why it should be impossible. Do you have any scientific proof of an alternative theory?
Among other things, he epitomizes the FReeper approach to science. He will prosper here.
Look at PhillyChief, registered yesterday. He found this thread by googling me and has posted stalking comments on links in websites of local papers. Every day there's a malicious and ongoing campaign to bring false accusations onto the front page of my google results, all false accusations coming from the site he frequents.
Still, they can't get their accusations to show up in the first google link, so they're trying to vandalize and delete my wikipedia page. I'm I can ask for a favor, and I'm sorry to ask this and I'll return it at any time, if you can all take a second to stop their attempts to delete the page I'd be very thankful if you can go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yomin_Postelnik&action=edit and type:
*'''Do not delete''' Subject of vandalization or something of that nature below the other comments (and then just press save), I'd greatly appreciate it.
Special thanks to Jo Nuvark, Kimmer and ibtheman for your encouragement.
Thanks and blessings to you all and thank you for your encouragement during this time.
You must have hit some kind of nerve to have
Richard Dawkins after you. If I were wiki,
that would be pretty terrific cred and reason
enough to leave you on their site.
“atheist” is a misnomer.
ANTItheist is more accurate.
If you didn’t believe in the existance of unicorns, would you attack those who did?