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Illinois Hispanics meet with Juan McCain in Downtown Chicago (Vanity)
Self | June 19, 2008 | Rosanna Pulido

Posted on 06/19/2008 5:11:02 AM PDT by chicagolady

I was one of the 150 people at the Drake Hotel in Downtown Chicago Wednesaday night who came to hear John MC Cain speak to Illinois Hispanics.

I had e-mail in my request to attend after seeing an article in the news paper announcing this event.

This is what i received..........

We are pleased to confirm your invitation to attend the "Hispanic Voices Reception" with Republican Presidential candidate John McCain. The event will take place on June 18, 2008, at The Drake Hotel, 140 E. Walton Place, Chicago, Illinois, in the Drake Room.

A volunteer will call you in the next couple of days to give you a "unique event ID number." You will need that number along with photo identification at the registration table in order to access the event. Doors open for the event promptly at 7:30 PM. Please come early, though, to get through security.

During the reception, Senator John McCain will be fielding questions from the audience. We ask that you be respectful during the question-and-answer session even if your opinions differ from those being shared. Please dress in business-casual attire.

You may park at The Drake Hotel for $30; valet parking is also provided at the hotel for $45. If you are traveling from the suburbs, limited seating is available on the bus leaving from Aurora. To reserve a seat for the bus, please contact us on our hotline number or by e-mail. For your own directions to the event, please click here.

For questions regarding the event, please call our hotline number at 630-801-0043 or e-mail us at McVolunteers@yahoo.com.

Both Senator John McCain and I look forward to meeting you next Wednesday.

Face to Face with John McCain!

"Hispanic Voices Reception"

Wednesday, June 18, 2008, starting at 7:30 PM

The Drake Room The Drake Hotel 140 E Walton Place Chicago, IL 60611

You are invited to hear John McCain address Illinois Hispanics!

If you have any questions, please contact: Gabriela Wyatt or Julie Brady at McVolunteers@yahoo.com Or call the event hot-line (630) 801-0043 _________________________________________________________

.....Personally as an Original Minuteman who attended the Historic Minuteman Border Watch in 2005 on the Arizona/ Mexico border and returnig 2 more times for a tour of duty along our southern Border, I was especially looking forward to what John Mc Cain would say about illegal immigration.

This was a NO MEDIA ALLOWED EVENT! That is why I am reporting back to you, all of you folks who have fought so hard with your phone calls to Washington D.C. last summer, shutting down the Washington DC switch board and defeating the AMNESTY BILL. I am reporting back to you those of you who work tirelessly in your local cities and towns trying to get some public elected official to care and enforce the rule of law.

I was told by my friend and fellow Hispanic Marianne Davies who is on the board of "You Don't Speak for Me" that John Mc Cain has been going across the country having "PRIVATE" meetings with Hispanics.

Although the inviation said we would be able to ask questions, that "question " time with John Mc Cain never happened. That was ok with me, I never had the intention of asking a question, I knew exactly the kind of open borders crowd I was with.

John Mc Cain's favorite words of the evening were Comprehensive Immigration Reform. But he started out first of all saying if he is gonna win the Presidential election he will need the support of the Latino community.

He said " My state has been enriched by the Hispanic culture in Arizona."

Then John MC Cain asked a question "Did you know this? I bet some of you did not know that Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English" ...Loud cheers from the audience. (Ok John Mc Cain What is your AZATLAN POINT?)

Then he said " I want to have some straight talk about our relationship with Mexico,our closest neighbor and dearest friend" He talked about the Mexican President fighting the drug cartels.

Then John Mc Cain aid the exact thing I came to hear, he said "I was proud to work for Comprehensive Immigration Reform and If I am elected President I assure you that in 2009 I will ask Congress to pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform." (The crowd goes wild)"It is a Federal Responsibility" he said and continued " we also need a temporary guest worker program"

He then told a story about a day laborer who got picked up this morning, worked all day and then never got paid...We have no Federal Policy, we cannot allow this to happen, he said, He repeated I assure you that I will work for Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

John McCain talked about a debate he was in about enforcing the law and he says that the "other side had a lot of "Rhetoric" "you know what I am talking about!" he said.

I guess the most telling event of the evening was a certain person who was in the room. From my own account he is the God Father of the massive illegal alien movement in Illinois. He is a Democrat and part of the HDO, Martin Sandoval - serves on a Mexican government advisory council. In fact, you can see his name on this list of their advisors:

www.ime.gob.mx/ccime/directorios/dir_ccime_06_09.htm

Exactly which country is he representing at this rally for John Mc Cain?

Martin Sandoval, Illinois senator, wants to represent Mexicans too Martin Sandoval is a state Senator from Illinois. He's also running for a seat on Mexico's "Institute for Mexicans Abroad" advisory council: Sandoval would be the first elected official in the U.S. to serve on the advisory council. That raises the peculiar prospect of the Cicero Democrat offering policy advice in an official capacity to Mexican Cabinet members while creating laws in Illinois...

As it turns out, no law or rule prohibits it, in Mexico or in Illinois. Mexican officials call it an honorary position...

... "I see no conflict at any point. There are always people who will have questions," [Sandoval] said. "I have looked at the four corners of this. I see upside all over the place."

Sandoval said his participation is especially logical because a large share of his constituents were born in Mexico. More than 42 percent of Sandoval's Senate district is foreign-born, the second-highest rate in the state...

NOW we see what kind of folks are interested in getting John Mc Cain in office.


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Lord help us all! I was MORE interested in John Mc Cain reaching out to me as a CONSERVATIVE! I feel like I have been kicked to the curb.
1 posted on 06/19/2008 5:11:03 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster; Condor51; TheRightGuy

Immigration Ping!


2 posted on 06/19/2008 5:13:52 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady
Uh you have been by the criminals, thieves that call their-selves patriots. Bastards have sold out our great nation.
3 posted on 06/19/2008 5:18:05 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: chicagolady

I wonder if either of the candidates wants to get elected? Seems like they want to alienate as many potential voters as possible.


4 posted on 06/19/2008 5:21:37 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Anti-Bubba182; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; ..

From the Horses mouth to your ears


5 posted on 06/19/2008 5:21:50 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: popdonnelly

They could care less what we think.


6 posted on 06/19/2008 5:22:45 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

“Did you know this? I bet some of you did not know that Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English”

So was Nahuatl. Still later was the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Hint: Mexico lost.

Operative word there, Juan - Lost.

Mexico lost the war along with Arizona.


7 posted on 06/19/2008 5:23:38 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: kellynla; Travis McGee; Diana in Wisconsin; Vanders9; wolfcreek; imintrouble

Juan Mc Cain ping.


8 posted on 06/19/2008 5:31:00 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

VERY GOOD POST~!

I think you have earned an honorary Freeperette Pajamahdeen Commando rank for this report!!!!

This is one of the single best self-contirbuted reports I have ever seen- LET’S GET THIS TO RUSH AND HANNITY FOLKS!!!


9 posted on 06/19/2008 5:31:26 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: chicagolady

Both of these candidates are liars. Of course McCain is running a stealth campaign selling US citizens out behind our backs. He is dispicable.

Barry is obvious about it. Either way we are going to have a bunch of rotten socialists running the show.


10 posted on 06/19/2008 5:31:50 AM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: chicagolady

You’ll just have to become a maverick like Juan.


11 posted on 06/19/2008 5:33:31 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president! (it ain't over 'til it's over))
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To: Mr. K

I appreciate the honor!!

God Bless America!


12 posted on 06/19/2008 5:35:25 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

McCain, the Republicrat candidate.


13 posted on 06/19/2008 5:35:29 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: chicagolady
McQueeg is a LYING BASTARD. McCainiacs are nothing but Quislings, purposely or not.
14 posted on 06/19/2008 5:41:28 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: chicagolady


15 posted on 06/19/2008 5:43:56 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: wolfcreek
Anyone who promotes amnesty and perks for illegal aliens and votes against the Cronyn amendment is unfit to fight WOT, is selling out this country, and should never be allowed into the White House. Not surprising that the name John McCain evokes for many “The Manchurian Candidate.”
16 posted on 06/19/2008 5:46:31 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: chicagolady; All

“NOW we see what kind of folks are interested in getting John Mc Cain in office.”

Versus the flat-out Marxists for Obama? Sorry. I disagree with McCain on some matters, but I can’t vote “D,” and not voting isn’t an option. It’s my duty.

The Revolution comes later. ;) Let’s just hold the White House for now, because we’re most likely going to lose the House and Senate as well.

I can’t imagine America with a President (D) running the show along with a Democrat-run House and Senate. Look at legislation that the Dems have been trying to shove down our throats just since Harry & Nance took over? You don’t think these will be more of that? LOL! They will be brazen, shameless and DRUNK with power. And you and I and America as a whole will be more than screwed.

And what about SCOTUS appointments coming down the pike? Do you really want Obama-Lama-Ding-Dong adding five more ‘Ruth Bader-Ginsbergs’ to decide YOUR fate in SCOTUS level situations? I sure don’t.

Some of you can’t see the forest for the trees.

P.S. Thanks for the “bait ping.” I’ve never talked to you on FR before. :)


17 posted on 06/19/2008 5:50:08 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: indylindy; chicagolady

Yesterday, the Democrats had me scared enough to vote for Juan McKook, with the talk about nationalizing oil refineries. Now, after this report, I just don’t know (once again).


18 posted on 06/19/2008 5:50:25 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: chicagolady

SOMEBODY GET THIS POST TO RUSH AND HANNITY


19 posted on 06/19/2008 5:53:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: chicagolady
Lord help us all! I was MORE interested in John Mc Cain reaching out to me as a CONSERVATIVE! I feel like I have been kicked to the curb.

Sheezech! Then go support Obama if you hate McCain that much...but there are some historic facts you ought to consider:

1. Spanish WAS spoken in Arizona before English.
2. Hispanics are now the largest minority group in the U.S.
3. It is estimated that Hispanics will be equal in size to Americans who can trace their linage back to Western Europe in 40 years.
4. Hispanics will be the majority ethnic U.S. group by the late 21st Century (grandchildren's generation).
5. Most Hispanics ascribe to the fact that hard work will result in wealth, (thanks to the Roman Catholic Church) most are family oriented and share Republican philosophy regarding such items as abortion, euthanasia and honesty in work and life.
6. Republicans need to court Hispanics; ensure they are inculcated with capitalistic ideals and are repulsed by Democratic appeals for endless cradle-to-grave welfare and entitlements.
7. The problem causing illegal immigration is demand for cheap labor by employers...most of them by the food-service, motel, and agricultural industry.
8. All of these industries have powerful lobbyists in Congress, pressuring for guest workers.
9. If you REALLY want to see an end to illegals coming across the border, organize and personally boycott chains such as Ramada Inns, Holiday Inns, all food chains and begin Minuteman raiding agri-business concerns such as Green Giant, Swift, Tyson, Kraft, as well as Walmart and K-Mart stores (but--hint, hint--remember, most are GOP-friendly)
10. Finally, some of the finest men that I met in my naval service in the defense of this nation were of Hispanic origin!

20 posted on 06/19/2008 5:55:17 AM PDT by meandog ((please pray for future President McCain, day minus 222 and counting))
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To: Paladin2

I am a maverick, I went into a meeting with 149 Hispanics who want open borders and I am an Original Minuteman.

Either I am insane or a Maverick or a little of both.


21 posted on 06/19/2008 5:55:42 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

Send this to Michelle Malkin.


22 posted on 06/19/2008 5:56:32 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: meandog

10. Finally, some of the finest men that I met in my naval service in the defense of this nation were of Hispanic origin!

who’s fighting that?, I am a Hispanic that wants the rule of law enforced.

Allowing 12-24 million illegal aliens who violate our laws into our country with the gift of AMNESTY is NOT what’s good for America, while the American taxpayer foots the bill for the benefits package!!


23 posted on 06/19/2008 6:01:15 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I know, I am so darn disgusted with this country and this election. All the citizens of this country have become so stupid and ignorant.

I guess this election will be the result of brainwashing, indoctrination, skullduggery, and apathy.

Really makes me il. I would like to believe these scumbags will really drill. I doubt it though. They are just going to talk about it in an election year and that the last we will hear of it.


24 posted on 06/19/2008 6:02:34 AM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Dear Diana it is not a Bait ping.

George Soros has funded BOTH John Mc Cain and Barack Obama, Who are you kidding?

America is in alot of trouble no matter who gets in!


25 posted on 06/19/2008 6:04:07 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

But, I’m not ready to lay down my sword. Many here appear to want to. And that saddens me.


26 posted on 06/19/2008 6:05:33 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: meandog
Good post man. The point is that the GOP needs to use the ideals of independence, self reliance, and hard work to court them. These things will work! The Dems will use the victim and race cards to court Hispanics, we must give them an alternative.
27 posted on 06/19/2008 6:06:30 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: chicagolady

Good job chicagolady!


28 posted on 06/19/2008 6:08:50 AM PDT by tumblindice (What would a free man do? as opposed to a McCain lick-spittle)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
If it was just Amenesty for criminal border invaders, I could probably hold my nose and vote for McCain.

It's just the tip of a very ugly iceberg though.

By sense of integrity, honor, honesty, and love of Country will not allow me to vote for McCain or Obama.

I won't sit home, but I cannot vote for either of the Republicrats running for POTUS.

29 posted on 06/19/2008 6:11:53 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

I know you can’t. But I can. I have a very strong stomach.

And seriously...if you all want to cyber-beat me to a pulp after McCain is elected, and our Country goes to hell (albeit in a slower hand basket than the one Obama is carrying), then I can take that, too. :)


30 posted on 06/19/2008 6:15:48 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

It’s your vote. You can do with it what you want. Just please don’t think you are voting from any “principle” other than “My Party right or wrong”.


31 posted on 06/19/2008 6:21:19 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: chicagolady

Great post exposing McCain for the liar and traitor to America that he really is. He will not get my vote.


32 posted on 06/19/2008 6:38:47 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: meandog
Your flagrant playing of the racism card is reminiscent of La Raza or Al Sharpton. Nothing in the article was against Hispanics or by the poster to which you responded. In fact, the article was written by a Hispanic, a very patriotic one, unlike John McInsane.

McCain is a loser, a liar and a traitor and I look forward to his defeat in November. I will celebrate his defeat while mourning the election of Obama.

33 posted on 06/19/2008 6:46:54 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: chicagolady

“Then John MC Cain asked a question “Did you know this? I bet some of you did not know that Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English”

What a pandering, half-witted and irrelevant comment. Did Juan mention any of the Native American languages that were spoken in what is now Arizona LONG before English or Spanish?

Who voted for this guy?


34 posted on 06/19/2008 6:54:56 AM PDT by Will88
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To: meandog

“3. It is estimated that Hispanics will be equal in size to Americans who can trace their linage back to Western Europe in 40 years.
4. Hispanics will be the majority ethnic U.S. group by the late 21st Century (grandchildren’s generation).”

None of that will happen if we simply begin enforcing our immigration laws and stop the amnesty for all illegals nonsense.


35 posted on 06/19/2008 6:59:45 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

Exactly.


36 posted on 06/19/2008 7:02:05 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: chicagolady

I guess the biggest and most important part I left out of my report is that Juan Mc Cain said

” I need the support of the Latino Community if I am gonna win the election!”


37 posted on 06/19/2008 7:02:56 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: normy

“The point is that the GOP needs to use the ideals of independence, self reliance, and hard work to court them.

That’s where they went wrong. The GOP NEVER needed to pander to Hispanics. Reagan won 41% of the Hispanic vote, better than W twenty years later despite all W’s pandering. The GOP simply needed to continue appealing to Hispanics as they appealed to all other groups: with basic conservative principles best put forth by Reagan.

When the GOP started pandering, it backfired and we have lost Hispanics, NOT because many opposed amnesty, but because W’s and McCain’s amnesty push stirred up an internal fight that should never have taken place, and gave the pro-amnesty types ammunition to demonize conservatives and Republicans in general.

Pandering to groups based on race and ethnicity is Dem. tactic, and the second Republicans started down that road it cost far more than it gained.


38 posted on 06/19/2008 7:08:48 AM PDT by Will88
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To: meandog
1. Spanish WAS spoken in Arizona before English.

So? The Indians practiced paganism in America before we conqured this land. Should we teach paganism in school now?

2. Hispanics are now the largest minority group in the U.S.

Only because we've allowed this to happen by being alseep at the wheel.

3. It is estimated that Hispanics will be equal in size to Americans who can trace their linage back to Western Europe in 40 years.

A shocking scandal. Nothing to be proud of.

4. Hispanics will be the majority ethnic U.S. group by the late 21st Century (grandchildren's generation).

Not if we get rid of the 30+ million here illegally, they won't.

5. Most Hispanics ascribe to the fact that hard work will result in wealth, (thanks to the Roman Catholic Church) most are family oriented and share Republican philosophy regarding such items as abortion, euthanasia and honesty in work and life.


Actually, its been proven here and elsewhere that most hispanics (read: Mexicans) want socalism, government entitlements and are "Christian" in the same way that Obamamessiah is "Christian", ie, not at all. Actually, I'll go a step further and say that hispanic countries wouldn't be so messed up if they were authentically Christian, as our nation was for the first 150 years of our history.

6. Republicans need to court Hispanics; ensure they are inculcated with capitalistic ideals and are repulsed by Democratic appeals for endless cradle-to-grave welfare and entitlements.

No, we need to kick out the hispanics because thats exactly what they want.

7. The problem causing illegal immigration is demand for cheap labor by employers...most of them by the food-service, motel, and agricultural industry.


No, the problem causing illegal immigration is effete pretty-boy politicians who refuse to defend American culture, language and values.

8. All of these industries have powerful lobbyists in Congress, pressuring for guest workers.

They wouldn't be so powerful if we simply refused to play ball with them.

9. If you REALLY want to see an end to illegals coming across the border, organize and personally boycott chains such as Ramada Inns, Holiday Inns, all food chains and begin Minuteman raiding agri-business concerns such as Green Giant, Swift, Tyson, Kraft, as well as Walmart and K-Mart stores (but--hint, hint--remember, most are GOP-friendly)


Who cares? Law breakers are lawbreakers. If Walmart is breaking the law, they need to be punished. This kind of flagrant winking at crime ("Well, the criminals do occasionally support the GOP! Maybe we should lay off!") will only turn normal Americans against us.

10. Finally, some of the finest men that I met in my naval service in the defense of this nation were of Hispanic origin!


Were they fully assimilated?
39 posted on 06/19/2008 7:13:34 AM PDT by LightBeam (Support the Surge. Support Victory.)
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To: chicagolady

They’re talking about this on Chicago talk radio right now, apparently no media was allowed to attend the event.


40 posted on 06/19/2008 7:16:39 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

That was me!


41 posted on 06/19/2008 7:20:42 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

I thought the story sounded familiar! Great interview!


42 posted on 06/19/2008 7:23:31 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: chicagolady

Great report, my friend.

It’s obvious that voting either Democrat or Republican this year for President is a vote for the destruction of America.


43 posted on 06/19/2008 7:26:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Sheep have only three speeds: graze, stampede and cower." - mgc1122)
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To: chicagolady

The discussion continues: www.wlsam.com ‘listen live’


44 posted on 06/19/2008 7:27:46 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: chicagolady

Got a request from Juan yesterday for money. I checked “other” and wrote in...2000 carbon credits.


45 posted on 06/19/2008 7:32:41 AM PDT by Potts Mtn. Pappy
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To: jaydubya2

Thanks so much! Just trying to get the word out so Conservatives can make an INFORMED decision!

Darned if we do, Darned if we don’t!!


46 posted on 06/19/2008 7:42:17 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Will88
I agree. Now they are separated and special.
47 posted on 06/19/2008 9:21:17 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: meandog
there are some historic facts you ought to consider:

1. Spanish WAS spoken in Arizona before English.
2. Hispanics are now the largest minority group in the U.S.
3. It is estimated that Hispanics will be equal in size to Americans who can trace their linage back to Western Europe in 40 years.
4. Hispanics will be the majority ethnic U.S. group by the late 21st Century (grandchildren's generation).
5. Most Hispanics ascribe to the fact that hard work will result in wealth, (thanks to the Roman Catholic Church) most are family oriented and share Republican philosophy regarding such items as abortion, euthanasia and honesty in work and life.
6. Republicans need to court Hispanics; ensure they are inculcated with capitalistic ideals and are repulsed by Democratic appeals for endless cradle-to-grave welfare and entitlements.

You appear to be operating under a mistaken impression. "Hispanic" does not necessarily equal "illegal immigrant."

I don't know of anybody who has a problem with courting Hispanic voters to the conservative cause. We need (and have much to offer to) Hispanics, blacks, Poles, and people of all origins.

It's McCain's love of illegals that makes him unfit for the office he seeks.

48 posted on 06/19/2008 9:44:11 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


49 posted on 06/19/2008 9:53:28 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: chicagolady

btt


50 posted on 06/19/2008 9:56:18 AM PDT by dennisw (We have an idiocracy not a democracy)
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