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Browser bruiser: Opera 9.5 versus Firefox 3
CNET ^ | June 19, 2008 5:42 PM PDT | Seth Rosenblatt

Posted on 06/20/2008 7:57:47 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Two of the four major browsers have undergone some big changes in the past two weeks. Firefox 3 is, of course, the big news of the week, pulling down eight million or so downloads in its first 24 hours in the wild. However, the Opera browser updated to its much-awaited version 9.5 last week. Since both of them have got game but for different reasons, let's take a look at how they match up.

Empirically, the two most-cited complaints about browsers are speed and memory. Now, I'm a big fan of Firefox because it's so easy to customize, so despite concerns I had about placing both browsers on "equal footing," it would be misleading to test Firefox devoid of extensions, so I left in my cadre of add-ons, and ran both with fifteen tabs open--a more or less standard browsing session for me.

Using the SunSpider JavaScript test, Firefox 3 scored around 5500 microseconds to process the tested scripts, with a margin of error at around three percent. Opera 9.5 scored about 7280 microseconds on the same test, with a margin of error around 1.5 percent, making it nearly one and a third times as slow as Firefox 3. This isn't surprising, given how long Opera's been using the same rendering engine. Assuming they get to Opera 10 before Mozilla puts out Firefox 4, it would be interesting to go back and re-compare them.

Firefox used approximately 127 MB RAM with the 15 tabs open, while Opera used around 117 MB. This was a little bit surprising, since Opera is definitely running on the older code. It might be attributable to the various extensions I use in Firefox, but it's more likely that ......

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: firefox; hitech; internet; mozilla

1 posted on 06/20/2008 7:57:47 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ShadowAce

fyi


2 posted on 06/20/2008 7:58:16 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All
Users who browse by cell phone and like to keep all their personal settings synchronized are sure to look favorably at Opera, which has made a name for itself breaking into that market.
3 posted on 06/20/2008 8:00:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Many of the newest features in Opera 9.5, like the ability to see if a password works before saving it, are also part of Firefox

this was in Opera prior to 9.5...
4 posted on 06/20/2008 8:11:05 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: All
From CNET:

Four FAQs on Firefox 3

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Posted by Seth Rosenblatt 9 comments

Barely two days old, Firefox 3 has already been downloaded more than 12.3 million times at the time of writing. If you haven't downloaded it yet, you can grab it here for Windows, Mac, Linux, and a Portable Windows version.

The price of early adoption, even on a heavily-tested browser like Firefox 3, is early questions. Here are four you're likely to come across, and please add your own in the comments below. I'll do my best to answer them.

Question one: How do you kill the "awesome bar"?

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Question four: How do I get that incredibly cool plug-in from Firefox 2 to work in Firefox 3 if it hasn't been updated?

Answer: With another plug-in, of course.

MR Tech Local Install has adopted a more descriptive name with a version upgrade for Firefox 3 compatibility. Now called MR Tech Toolkit, it's still the power user's all-purpose add-on. It comes with a Toolbar button for restarting Firefox, and can do just about anything--from modifying config behavior, to changing bookmark- and extension-saving locations, to disabling the throbber.

One of the best things it did in Firefox 2 was disable extension compatibility checking, and it continues to do that quite nicely. Be warned that not all your old extensions will work even with the compatibility feature turned off, but it went off without a hitch for TinyURL Creator--which hasn't seen an update since 2007.

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bit more at the CNET Site.

5 posted on 06/20/2008 8:25:03 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: stylin19a

I know very little about Opera...seems to be used heavily by the new mobile devices...so I hear.


6 posted on 06/20/2008 8:27:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I am using it now. Very slick.


7 posted on 06/20/2008 8:30:16 AM PDT by Holicheese (Hillary deserves the CMoH for her time in Tuzla!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have 4 browsers on my system right now; switching back and forth for whatever reason:

1. Firefox 3.0
2. Opera 9.2
3. K-Meleon
4. Exporer

Love the Opera; the K-Meleon takes a little getting used to but is pretty slick, too. Don’t know about the Firefox, yet. Haven’t used the new version enough.

The main reason I went to Opera and K-Meleon was the feeling that my Firefox was slowing down more and more, even after doing some clean ups.

I like the new ones. Opera and K-Meleon are QUICK!


8 posted on 06/20/2008 9:17:47 AM PDT by Chasaway (Tonto to the Lone Ranger: "What do you mean WE, white man?")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

how likely are either of them to be invaded by spyware, trojans and viruses like IE. Sorry if this is a doofus question.


9 posted on 06/20/2008 9:33:57 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
FF3 won't run acceptably on my older laptops -- constantly pages and runs up CPU inexplicably -- but FF2 and Opera 9.5 are fine. The problems with 3 were worst in beta 4 and RC1 -- improved somewhat in 3 final but not enough to use the product on those older laptops.

The simple memory footprint that articles such as this reference is overly simplistic and is not catching something strange going on in virtual memory by the new rendering engine. I have reported a bug.

BTW, FF3 works great on my desktop and I have no complaints at all.

10 posted on 06/20/2008 9:34:11 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: wildbill
how likely are either of them to be invaded by spyware, trojans and viruses like IE.

IE has the most exposure because of it's tight interface with Windows,,,Active X etc...

Firefox and Opera ...usually don't suffer that malware problem...

Where you browse and personal habits heavily impacet what other bad things can happen.

BUT the Malware ..virus are always out there trying something new....

I moved to Linux and Firefox and ...so far...have had not problems that I am aware of...

11 posted on 06/20/2008 9:44:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Chasaway
K-Meleon is a new name to me....

Ok I see it's for Windows....Powered by the same Gecko engine as the Firefox and Mozilla browser

12 posted on 06/20/2008 9:48:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Anyone know a good, easy-to-use browser benchmark that includes network access time?

The benchmark mentioned in the article, SunSpider JavaScript test, seems very rigorous, including statisical analysis, but only tests JavaScript

I've looked at iBench, but it needs a huge footprint on your machine apparently (Windows Server 2000, mySQL, and more)

I'm looking for something that loads pages several times over the internet (using my browser on my PC with my internet connection), and makes a statistical summary of the page load times

Kind of like the Numion Stopwatch but with multiple automated tests like the JavaScript test

13 posted on 06/20/2008 10:21:27 AM PDT by SiGeek
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To: wildbill
Here is what some business seem to be using.,...

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Open Source Network Gateway

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Block Spam, Spyware, MySpace & More

Untangle is the free & open source alternative to Sonicwall. In addition to the basics (Firewall, VPN, IPS & routing), Untangle makes it easier to block spam, spyware, viruses, phishing, porn, gambling, MySpace, Facebook, IM, peer-2-peer & much, much more.  

 

Open Source & Free under the GPLv2

See the website for more info including a diagram....

14 posted on 06/20/2008 10:38:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: wildbill
Related resource:

Linux Firewalls: Attack Detection and Response with iptables, psad, and fwsnort [ILLUSTRATED] (Paperback)

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The majority of the world's digital security professionals focus on defense, because offense is left to the bad guys, police, and military. I welcome books like Linux Firewalls that bring real defensive tools and techniques to the masses in a form that can be digested and deployed for minimum cost and effort.

15 posted on 06/20/2008 10:52:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: SiGeek

I’m no help....


16 posted on 06/20/2008 10:54:23 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

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17 posted on 06/20/2008 11:33:00 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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18 posted on 06/20/2008 11:38:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Browsers are pretty ho-hum these days. Firefox wins because of its add-ons, particularly Adblock Plus. If a browser doesn’t support real ad-blocking (not just pop-ups) it’s a non-starter.


19 posted on 06/20/2008 11:40:42 AM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Nice post, excellent resources, thanks.


20 posted on 06/20/2008 12:00:32 PM PDT by papasmurf (Unless I post a link to a resource, what I post is opinion, regardless of how I spin it.)
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To: ShadowAce

Have you tried the PicLens add-on yet?


21 posted on 06/20/2008 1:04:14 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I’ve never heard of it—what does it do?


22 posted on 06/20/2008 2:58:31 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Do get add-ons in FireFox 3, and you’ll find it. It uses Core Animation to display web content in thumbnails in a scrollable, zoomable, grid that bends around in front of you in a big panorama. For example, YouTube shows a bunch of videos, scroll through with the ball, pick, watch, scroll, pick another, etc.

It’s just cool. I wish CoverFlow worked like this for the images and videos on my system.


23 posted on 06/20/2008 3:12:52 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Does anyone know a good replacement for the Xinha Here! Firefox extension? It hasn't been updated for FF3, and it really sucks to have to go back to doing hand-coded HTML for posting to FreeRepublic!
24 posted on 06/20/2008 3:18:06 PM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bookmarking for later


25 posted on 06/20/2008 3:36:53 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant penguin on my Head")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All

I was a loyal and exclusive Opera user from about v2.0 through 7.23, then about 7.5, they hosed the UI, so I stayed with 7.23, which forced me off Opera for a larger and larger percentage of websites as 7.23 became more and more out of date. I cast about for alternatives, and at about that same time, Firefox was starting to achieve viability, so since then I’ve used both, but have not been able to commit fully to Firefox either because it lacks the built-in email client Opera has.

Opera is pretty customizable too, but I never found a theme to let later versions emulate 7.23 or I would have upgraded. So does anyone know of either a way to make later versions of Opera emulate the look of 7.23 or know of an addon that integrates an email client (local, not webmail) into Firefox, preferably with the split pane view like Opera has?


26 posted on 06/20/2008 4:03:35 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Typical white person)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I just found out that Opera will run greasemonkey scripts since version 8.0. Very cool.


27 posted on 06/20/2008 6:08:36 PM PDT by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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To: Still Thinking

Isn’t Seamonkey ...close to Firefox with the email capability?


28 posted on 06/20/2008 8:52:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: zeugma

See post #5...and MR Tech Toolkit....it is a possibility.


29 posted on 06/20/2008 8:53:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If I remember correctly, the UI is from Netscape, which is to say, not good. Also, IIRC, the integration is a button that opens a separate app in a separate window (not a separate tab, a separate window). Still seems pretty “segregated”.


30 posted on 06/20/2008 9:29:27 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Typical white person)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
See post #5...and MR Tech Toolkit....it is a possibility.

I saw that earlier and installed it. I must be stoopid because I can't seem to find where to tell MRTT to change the max version on extensions.

Perhaps I'll get lucky with the XinhaHere extension and when I come back from vacation in a few days, it will be updated on the website.

31 posted on 06/20/2008 11:48:28 PM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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To: AustinBill

Opera supports ad-blocking. Their Web site lists how to go in and do the list, or manually you can right click on a page, block content, and select what you want blocked.


32 posted on 06/21/2008 2:50:03 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I find Opera to be faster than Firefox. Of course both are much much faster than IE.

I saw Opera 9.5 has had 4 million downloads which isn’t bad.


33 posted on 06/21/2008 2:51:57 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: zeugma
Perhaps I'll get lucky with the XinhaHere extension and when I come back from vacation in a few days, it will be updated on the website.

SAweet!   I never heard of this extension.  Just trying it out now.  This rocks!  Thanks for the tip.  

BTW, looks like the update happened, I'm running Firefox 3 and it seems to be working.  Got it straight from the homepage: 

http://www.hypercubed.com/projects/firefox/

34 posted on 06/22/2008 6:38:33 PM PDT by MichiganMan (So you bought that big vehicle and now want to whine about how much it costs to fill it? Seriously?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“How do you kill the “awesome bar”?”

Uninstall Firefox 3 and reinstall Firefox 2.0.0.14

Or fire up IE, which is what I’ve done, since FF 3 wrecked some of my add-ons even after uninstalling 3 and reinstalling FF 2. Firefox 3 is poison.


35 posted on 06/22/2008 9:54:21 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: MichiganMan
WooHoo!!!!1

I was really missing it!

Thanks!

36 posted on 06/26/2008 4:50:06 PM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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