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Why does does eating dairy too soon before/after shellfish make me sick?

Posted on 06/22/2008 7:12:41 AM PDT by RangerM

This is a total personal (vanity?) thread, but I have searched Google, and can't find the exact answer I'm looking for.

For many years I have learned to never eat dairy and shellfish within a certain timeframe, because it will make me very sick (nausea and all the other unpleasant things that go with it).

I ate shrimp for lunch yesterday, and after many hours (4-5 is my usual minimum) I ate ice cream. I still got ill, although not as severely as I would have, had I not heeded my usual rule. I now know I will have to wait longer.

Does anyone else suffer this and does anyone know why it is this particular combination (shellfish/dairy) that does it?

Thanks in advance.


TOPICS: Food; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: allergy; combination; dairy; gallbladder; shellfish

1 posted on 06/22/2008 7:12:42 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: RangerM

Go to a physician and have yourself tested for allergies to shellfish and dairy products. It may save your life.


2 posted on 06/22/2008 7:21:24 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: RangerM
I'm not a doctor but I've got that lactose intolerance crap, so I just avoid dairy and everything is coupersètique.
3 posted on 06/22/2008 7:24:10 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: RangerM
First: if its making you sick to eat this combination - stop eating this combination.

Second: my guess would be likely you are lactose intolerant and how the shrimp is prepared is important.

Some sauces have milk products and with addition of additional cream sets you over the edge.

So if there is time that passes you are dealing with only one serving of dairy product.

Thats my guess anyway.

Remember I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV.

4 posted on 06/22/2008 7:24:53 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: RangerM

Bad clams will make you violently ill no matter if you ingest after... or before shellfish. I absolutely love an order of whole-bellied, fried clams(with tar-tar sauce), slaw’... and a vanilla shake on a hot, summer night!


5 posted on 06/22/2008 7:25:11 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: RangerM

because its trafe?


6 posted on 06/22/2008 7:25:26 AM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: vetvetdoug

I appreciate what you suggest. I saw references to anaphylaxis about these foods, but neither (by themselves) will evoke a reaction in me, so I do my best to not eat them proximately.

It’s only the combination (or proximity) that will do it, but I can’t find out why.

Maybe it’s just part of being me, but I can’t imagine I’m the only one.


7 posted on 06/22/2008 7:30:21 AM PDT by RangerM (Barack Obama: CHANCE.....We Can't Afford To Take!)
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To: RangerM

Do you ever get the “sick” feeling from either just ice cream or just shellfish? Or, is it the combination that does it every time?


8 posted on 06/22/2008 7:31:36 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: RangerM

Have you considered that it is not just the shellfish or the dairy but a combination of these two that you are allergic to?
They digest at different rates in the body, so it doesn’t matter if you’ve waited before ingesting the other.
Remember: 14 hours from mouth to rectum!!!


9 posted on 06/22/2008 7:32:15 AM PDT by California Brown Girl
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To: RangerM
How quickly do the symptoms appear after eating the ice cream?

Also, have you ever eaten ice cream and THEN shellfish?

10 posted on 06/22/2008 7:33:31 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: svcw

Like I said, I never eat them together, and avoid eating them within 4 or 5 hours of each other. Last night was an exception, so I will start extending that time allowance.

It doesn’t really matter how it’s prepared (fried, broiled boiled or grilled), but I know I never should eat shrimp, crawdads, lobster or crab (there are others), within several hours of consuming anything dairy, or vice versa.


11 posted on 06/22/2008 7:34:35 AM PDT by RangerM (Barack Obama: CHANCE.....We Can't Afford To Take!)
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To: RangerM

Follow vetvetdoug’s advice...get tested for a shellfish allergy. It is the iodine most people are allergic too...and it can be ‘a tolerance’ type allergen (nausaa, then builds to nausea w/ vomiting, leading to an even more severe anaphalxis reaction—the swelling of the throat air passage ways). Nothing to mess with. I have to carry an EpiPen and wear a medic alert tag (iodine can be used in emergency medical procedures—so ER staffs need to know of potential life threatening reactions). Avoid shellfish until you learn if you are trully allergic as reaactions ‘increase’ in severity w/subsequent exposures.


12 posted on 06/22/2008 7:35:26 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I am still bitter.)
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To: California Brown Girl
Remember: 14 hours from mouth to rectum!!!

Maybe in a goose!

It depends on what you are eating.

In all, the movement of food through the entire length of the alimentary tract takes from 15 to 30 hours, with the majority of that time being taken up by activity in the colon. Food generally spends about three to five hours in the stomach, another four to five hours in the small intestine, and between five and 25 hours in the large intestine.

It amazes me that so many people will eat lunch and two hours later blame the flatulence on what they ate for lunch.

13 posted on 06/22/2008 7:37:54 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

Any reacion would begin within 30 minutes to one hour of finishing the SECOND item. The severity depends on how close in time they are consumed. If I eat them together, I can’t take anything to dampen the symptoms. Last night I waited about 7 hours before consuming the ice cream, and a single dose of Pepto took care of it.

I’ve never noticed the order of consumption making a difference, but it might. I’m not going to find out.


14 posted on 06/22/2008 7:40:22 AM PDT by RangerM (Barack Obama: CHANCE.....We Can't Afford To Take!)
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To: RangerM

There are people who eat Kosher who aren’t even Jews, just for the health benefits.


15 posted on 06/22/2008 7:42:14 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RangerM

Maybe you are Jewish and don’t know it.


16 posted on 06/22/2008 7:43:20 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: neverdem

Any ideas?


17 posted on 06/22/2008 7:44:55 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

It amazes me that so many people will eat lunch and two hours later blame the flatulence on what they ate for lunch.
***********************

Gas by product of digesting the food would pass through quicker than the actual food I would think. At least that is how I remember reading it in school.


18 posted on 06/22/2008 7:44:55 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Southerngl
Maybe you are Jewish and don’t know it.

I don't get it, but I assume that shrimp aren't Kosher?
19 posted on 06/22/2008 7:47:11 AM PDT by RangerM (Barack Obama: CHANCE.....We Can't Afford To Take!)
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To: Southerngl

I thought about being Jewish, but I like bacon too much.

Pray for W and Our Troops


20 posted on 06/22/2008 7:47:14 AM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!!)
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To: RangerM
I am allergic to shellfish and when it first surfaced I had the same reactions as you have. I am always consuming dairy products and do not rule out the coincidental effect. One day, I was inspecting shrimp at Bayou La Batre and I had a severe reaction and almost died before I got to the hospital. That ended my stint as a shrimp/shellfish inspector...ironically I was there when Forrest Gump was supposed to have been there...never saw him (September 2, 1974, Hurricane Carmen)
21 posted on 06/22/2008 7:47:40 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: RangerM
Oh yes, anaphalyxis does not read a book. One can have a myriad of reactions called Type I-IV or any combination thereof.
22 posted on 06/22/2008 7:50:31 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: RangerM
OK, I got it.

The combination isn't Kosher.
23 posted on 06/22/2008 7:57:00 AM PDT by RangerM (Barack Obama: CHANCE.....We Can't Afford To Take!)
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To: RangerM
Why does eating dairy too soon before/after shellfish make me sick?

In my considered medical opinion, if you know it makes you sick then don't do it.

24 posted on 06/22/2008 7:59:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Southerngl
Gas by product of digesting the food would pass through quicker than the actual food I would think. At least that is how I remember reading it in school.

It has to do with peristalsis. When you eat something the whole digestive system kicks in. Whatever is in your large intestine starts moving and the gases associated with it are where the flatulence comes from.

On another note:

The conclusion: "Women had more sulphur gas and were judged to have more potent odour.''

25 posted on 06/22/2008 8:12:27 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: California Brown Girl
Remember: 14 hours from mouth to rectum!!!

I think Taco Bell is 14 minutes.

26 posted on 06/22/2008 8:12:53 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: RangerM

Shellfish on their own are also not kosher; combinations of meat and dairy are not kosher either...although fish (other than shellfish) can be combined with dairy. At least that’s my understanding...but I’m not Jewish.


27 posted on 06/22/2008 8:13:34 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: RangerM
I know some people are allergic to the idodine in shellfish.

Google "Shellfish allergy" and take your pick.

28 posted on 06/22/2008 8:20:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: RangerM

I don’t know whether this helps:

In my culture (a fish eating culture) it is considered poisonous to mix dairy and fish in any way. Especially milk or yogurt after eating shellfish.

It’s something that our Mother’s teach us at a young age.

There’s something to it, we’ve been around for 8,000 years ;_^)


29 posted on 06/22/2008 8:24:52 AM PDT by aristotleman (....in wolves' clothing....stealing ur prey.....)
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To: RangerM

Because you’re Jewish and God has dietary laws?


30 posted on 06/22/2008 8:27:31 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: RangerM
It is probably a syrigenic(SP?) effect.I can take aspirin and I can exercise but I can't take aspirin and exercise at the same time or I turn very red and get hives.Some people have an allergy to a combination of celery/exercise but are fine as long as they don't combine them.
31 posted on 06/22/2008 8:28:50 AM PDT by muggs (No matter who wins, America loses)
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To: RangerM

This is my guess, but your digestion of the shellfish may also be lowering your normal levels of lactase for some reason. If you want to eat more dairy then you either have to take a supplement like lactaid or simply wait a day to be safe and eat your dairy.


32 posted on 06/22/2008 9:03:27 AM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually its eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: RangerM
I think it also goes with not drinking milk and eating meat (also Kosher dietary law) - my understanding is that milk crystallizes the acid in the stomach thereby preventing digestion. It may not be an allergic reaction but the simple reaction of the milk in the stomach. (IMHO) and yes, shrimp, lobster and shellfish are not Kosher.
33 posted on 06/22/2008 9:03:51 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: neverdem

FYI Ping......


34 posted on 06/22/2008 9:05:48 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: RangerM

It’s not Kosher to eat shellfish. It’s also not Kosher to eat dairy with meat.


35 posted on 06/22/2008 9:06:14 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: raybbr

If you are lactose intolerant or simply ate an extremely irritating food your stomach and intestines will react and cause gas and diarrhea as a normal defensive mechanism to get the irritants out as fast as possible, even in as little time as 15 minutes.


36 posted on 06/22/2008 9:08:35 AM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually its eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: muggs

My dad had a boxer who took aspirin before he worked out one time and sparred, the guy almost died from it. He will never be a normal human being again.


37 posted on 06/22/2008 9:10:49 AM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually its eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: cowboyway
I'm not a doctor but I've got that lactose intolerance crap, so I just avoid dairy and everything is coupersètique.

First time I had seen that spelling.

38 posted on 06/22/2008 10:08:24 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: RangerM

*psst* It’s the shellfish, not the dairy. Anyone who willingly eats a huge bug deserves to get sick. /s


39 posted on 06/22/2008 10:26:41 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: RangerM

I don’t think it is an allergy. (this is from someone who just went through a big series of allergy tests both scratch tests and blood allergy tests)

But I do think your gallbladder is acting up. (I had mine taken out about 1 year ago)

Get the gallbladder checked out.


40 posted on 06/22/2008 10:34:11 AM PDT by stlnative (There is no room for B.O. in our White House !)
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To: RangerM

You might want to check out HealthBoards and ask people there. Check the “Digestive Disorders” area primarily. There is also “Bowel Disorders” and “Acid Reflux” of the same general variety of problems.
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/index.php


41 posted on 06/22/2008 10:39:57 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: aft_lizard
If you are lactose intolerant or simply ate an extremely irritating food your stomach and intestines will react and cause gas and diarrhea as a normal defensive mechanism to get the irritants out as fast as possible, even in as little time as 15 minutes.

Hmmmm.... Not sure I buy it. I can see a couple of hours but not minutes. By vomiting yes. In order for what you claim to happen your system would have to empty your bowels first before it could void the irritant.

42 posted on 06/22/2008 10:43:38 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

My bad, I was off on the time it actually takes as little as 30 minutes to have problems.
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/lactoseintolerance/


43 posted on 06/22/2008 12:44:26 PM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually its eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: raybbr

” the movement of food through the entire length of the alimentary tract takes from 15 to 30 hours”

Thanks. That explains where the steak is I had for dinner last night.


44 posted on 06/22/2008 12:58:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: aft_lizard
People who do not have enough lactase to digest the amount of lactose they consume may feel very uncomfortable when they digest milk products. Common symptoms, which range from mild to severe, include nausea, cramps, bloating, gas, and diarrhea. Symptoms begin about 30 minutes to 2 hours after eating or drinking foods containing lactose. The severity of symptoms depends on many factors, including the amount of lactose a person can tolerate and a person’s age, ethnicity, and digestion rate.

"Symptons begin..." That doesn't mean diarrhea in 30 minute. Still you would have to clear any food already present. In an extreme case? Maybe. I know from personal experience that it takes about four hours for the diarrhea to kick in. :(

45 posted on 06/22/2008 1:05:48 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

Really not trying to argue but I will tell you that you will get gas and diarrhea that fast, I am a lactose intolerant individual and give me anything that is heavy with lactose and I am clearing rooms and destroying toilets within the hour. I can’t find my old physiology books but lactose intolerance is one of many conditions that will give you fast bowel movements.


46 posted on 06/22/2008 3:34:38 PM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually its eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: aristotleman
My mother is from Europe and she would never let us eat that combination.

Never knew why but Moms over there must talk and share secrets!

47 posted on 06/22/2008 4:25:31 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster

I’m from rural North Carolina and my Mamaw told me that you should never eat fish and ice cream together. Too bad she told me after the fact. Is this a common ‘old wives’ tale”?


48 posted on 01/23/2009 7:53:41 PM PST by brownbrown
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