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Liberal Judge Blocks Drilling in MI
yahoo.com ^ | 07.12.08 | conservativeinferno

Posted on 07/13/2008 8:06:35 AM PDT by conservativeinferno

TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. - A federal judge has overturned a decision by the U.S. Forest Service to allow oil and gas drilling near a forest and a river in Michigan's northern Lower Peninsula. ADVERTISEMENT U.S. District Judge David Lawson of Detroit ruled Thursday the agency had acted "arbitrarily and capriciously" in 2005 by giving Savoy Energy LP of Traverse City a permit to drill an exploratory well near the Au Sable River's south branch. (cont...)

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: algore; drilling; enemywithin; energy; environment; michigan; oil; theenemy; theenemywithin; treehuggers
Oil makes us "sick" according to Harry Reid. I am almost ready to march to DC...with torches and pitchforks.
1 posted on 07/13/2008 8:06:35 AM PDT by conservativeinferno
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To: conservativeinferno

I know how you feel.


2 posted on 07/13/2008 8:13:31 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: conservativeinferno
David M. Lawson is a United States District Judge for the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan. He was nominated by President Bill Clinton on August 5, 1999.
3 posted on 07/13/2008 8:19:00 AM PDT by lowbridge ("I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it" - Van Den Boogaard)
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To: conservativeinferno

Can we have our country back yet?


4 posted on 07/13/2008 8:29:21 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: lowbridge

and the damage to reason continues....This from a relatively centrist Rat President and a relatively centrist Rat Senate and House....Imagine what we’ll get from Obama and the Marxists now in charge of the House and Senate.


5 posted on 07/13/2008 8:29:43 AM PDT by Postman
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To: conservativeinferno
I'd have to read that decision, since there may be a conveyance involved, as well as the endangered species act. (love it or hate it). It might not be an activist decision.

I have mixed views on the decision. I have property near that area. The economy there is based on tourism and fishing. The waters there are nicknamed the "Holy Waters." While I do support increased drilling, that is one area I am concerned about drilling between the possible temperature increases (harmful to the fish that like cold water), leaks, and changes to the Au Sable River.

That area is the crown jewel of lower Michigan.

6 posted on 07/13/2008 8:31:18 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: conservativeinferno

I was going to post this yesterday until I noticed it is an AP piece.


7 posted on 07/13/2008 8:38:11 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: conservativeinferno
The proposed wellhead would be located in the Huron-Manistee National Forest about three-tenths of a mile from the Mason Tract, a 4,679-acre wilderness area prized by anglers and other outdoor recreationists.

So, not only is it not in the prized wilderness area, it is a third of a mile away from any boundary. With noise restrictions. But the judge stated the agency did a "woefully inadequate" job of evaluating how the drilling might affect the Kirtland's warbler.

Really? A single noise restricted drill rig that is not even on the wilderness area. The very same wilderness area that allows the Jack Pine Wildlife Viewing Tour, a self-guided, 58-mile auto tour through the scenic AuSable River Valley and unique jack pine ecosystem, home of the critically endangered Kirtland's warbler? Apparently they are not affected by "guided tours (that) are available. The tours are hosted by professional wildlife staff, and usually they can get you "up close and personal "with these rare birds.

So, up close and personal is ok, but a noise restricted drill rig that is not even in the area is not?

http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/hmnf/pages/warbtours.htm

9 posted on 07/13/2008 8:56:51 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: lowbridge
This is the reason that no Liberal should ever be put on the bench.
10 posted on 07/13/2008 9:20:11 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulf BeachClub)
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To: conservativeinferno
am almost ready to march to DC...with torches and pitchforks.

Well I certainly hope you use whale blubber as a flame source for your torche...after all oil makes us sick.

11 posted on 07/13/2008 9:27:46 AM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: Darren McCarty
I have mixed views on the decision. I have property near that area. The economy there is based on tourism and fishing. The waters there are nicknamed the "Holy Waters." While I do support increased drilling, that is one area I am concerned about drilling between the possible temperature increases (harmful to the fish that like cold water), leaks, and changes to the Au Sable River

That's how alot of people feel when it actually comes down to drilling near them. A "reason" can be found not to drill in every spot where oil is suspected to be.
So, what you are saying is, "Drill, but not in MY backyard"?

12 posted on 07/13/2008 9:58:59 AM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, he-he, ho-ho!)
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To: Darren McCarty

NIMBY- Afraid your property value will go down? More selfish boomer type tripe.


13 posted on 07/13/2008 10:09:30 AM PDT by vets son
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To: vets son
NIMBY- Afraid your property value will go down? More selfish boomer type tripe.

Given the value of oil and the state of the Michigan economy, you would think that most people would WANT an oil well in their back yard. I certainly would.

14 posted on 07/13/2008 10:12:41 AM PDT by meyer (Government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: jeffc
No, what I'm saying is don't screw up the area. I didn't say I was against this, and I didn't say it was a good decision by the judge (although it was a great one IF the property owner had the conveyance conditionings in when he left it to the state). I haven't read the actual decision, only two news accounts from the AP and Traverse City Record Eagle (wretched eagle), hardly a credible source. If it was a conveyance case, then it's a property/contract case. As far as the Kirkland's Warbler goes, that is based on the Endangered Species Act and the statutes there, and judge is bound by that. The warbler is endangered thanks to its very limited habitat (Certain Jack Pine forests near Grayling and Roscommon) and the parasitic cowbird. The cowbird kills the eggs of the warbler and replaces it with a cowbird egg. I have no idea of the impact of this on the warbler, but I am skeptical there.

Based on a purely economic stance, if the drilling can be done without screwing the area up, I'm for it. If it kills the fishing and tourism due to the fishing, than I'm against it. Now about 20 miles north of there is one of my hunting areas. There's lots of gas wells there. It doesn't screw up the hunting. The difference is that it's not over the Au Sable River. My concern is strictly with the river, its character, and the trout fishing that goes with the river, which needs to stay around 60 degrees.

15 posted on 07/13/2008 10:20:02 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: vets son
Read post 12. That is one of the top 20 trout fishing areas in the United States. That is not any old river.

I'm not a NIMBY or a boomer, but I don't want that screwed up.

16 posted on 07/13/2008 10:28:25 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: denydenydeny
Can we have our country back yet?

You want it enough to fight for it? There's a group of folks who think you don't.

17 posted on 07/13/2008 10:34:35 AM PDT by stboz
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To: conservativeinferno

“Oil makes us “sick” according to Harry Reid. I am almost ready to march to DC...with torches and pitchforks. “

It needs to be done. Limbaugh and the right wing talk hosts could organize this to the tune of millions of people.

Host it at the same time as a liberal one so we can have some fun.


18 posted on 07/13/2008 10:41:41 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Every state has regional crown jewels. I want your damn oil.


19 posted on 07/13/2008 10:43:20 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: conservativeinferno
Unbelievable. The state is FUBAR and this moron blocks harvesting energy (oil) and job creation, thus resulting in tax revenues for the state.

Then again, maybe I'm not interpreting this correctly.

20 posted on 07/13/2008 11:45:02 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: politicalwit

but in today’s politically correct world, using whale blubber is not allowed. The whalers of old were cruel to the whales, or so we’re told.


21 posted on 07/13/2008 11:50:12 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: conservativeinferno
"A federal judge has overturned a decision by the U.S. Forest Service to allow oil and gas drilling near a forest and a river in Michigan's northern Lower Peninsula."

The oil co. should ignore the ruling and go ahead and drill. Is this federal judge going to call out the military to arrest them, or perhaps he has his own private police force he could use to stop them?

Of course, that would NEVER happen. The left pretends a court ruling wasn't handed down when it's against them, but the rest of us obey "the law" because we're not anarchists.

22 posted on 07/13/2008 12:00:37 PM PDT by penowa
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To: Darren McCarty

NIMBY?


23 posted on 07/13/2008 12:02:07 PM PDT by penowa
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To: conservativeinferno

How many armies does U.S. District Judge David Lawson have under his command?


24 posted on 07/13/2008 12:16:54 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: penowa

Nimby - Not in my back yard.


25 posted on 07/13/2008 12:21:50 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Darren McCarty

You are definitely a nimby. As to wether or not you’re a baby boomer that depends on when you were born.


26 posted on 07/13/2008 12:36:02 PM PDT by cdpap
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To: Darren McCarty

Yes, not in yours in someone else’s. Reminds me of those who say yes to higher taxes to pay for things they want, only they want someone else taxed, not them. By the way, higher gas prices should really be a boon to the tourist economy in your backyard.


27 posted on 07/13/2008 12:51:39 PM PDT by penowa
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To: conservativeinferno; television is just wrong; lowbridge; denydenydeny; Postman; Darren McCarty; ...

Just filled my tank - $54.00 and its gone up .20 since yesterday
Gov Palin is begging us to drill in anwar
Please contact your congress on Tuesday July 15 and let them know DRILL HERE DRILL NOW!!
Tell your friends, family, neighbors and coworkers
Think it will have much more impact if we all contact them on the same day!!

PLEASE KEEP ON CONGRESS!!


28 posted on 07/13/2008 1:46:45 PM PDT by mouse1
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To: Cobra64
Unbelievable. The state is FUBAR and this moron blocks harvesting energy (oil) and job creation, thus resulting in tax revenues for the state.

Fubar, Cobra, you have no idea....

Spoke with my CPA friend @ breakfast yesterday. The MI Single Businesses Tax and MBT (revisions too) are hitting small business with at much as a 900% increase in taxes. People are firing their CPA's and hiring new ones only to get even worse numbers.

Imagine this...

What if their is Natural Gas under the Lakes and it could help make MI energy Independent as a State.

Yet these Idiots will not even give it a shot. Insane....

29 posted on 07/13/2008 1:55:39 PM PDT by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: mouse1

I have the bumper sticker on my Prius and my wife has one on her Corolla. Mr. Newt should make smaller ones available for sticking on any flat surface like Reid’s and Pelosi’s heads


30 posted on 07/13/2008 4:47:51 PM PDT by Postman
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To: grellis

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31 posted on 07/14/2008 8:17:14 PM PDT by raygun
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32 posted on 07/15/2008 8:46:22 AM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: Darren McCarty
If it kills the fishing and tourism due to the fishing, than I'm against it.

The current price of gas is quite effectively killing tourism in Michigan. Northern lower and UP are going to be particularly hard hit. Us "downstaters" (as my Traverse City-based sister et al sneeringly refer to anyone living south of the 45th Parallel) are skipping our usual summer sojourns northward because of gas. We're finding fun in our own backyards, in our own or neighboring counties. We're keeping our tourist dollars local. That accounts for a great big chunk of "upstate" tourist dollars.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

33 posted on 07/15/2008 8:55:03 AM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: Darren McCarty

NIMBY, ehhhh....are you also one of those “throw out all the congressmen, except for my guy” people too?


34 posted on 07/15/2008 9:14:05 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The Second Amendment is the Constitutions reset button)
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