Pure Mittgotry.
Hammer, meet nail! Starting the
POOR, PICKED-ON MORMONS....victimology early in the thread.
Posted on 07/15/2008 10:18:39 AM PDT by sandbox
The coming weeks will answer one very important question about John McCain: does he want to be the Republican Party's presidential nominee or does he want to be president?
(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...
Yo, Evangelicals, make Mitt your prayer target instead of showing how hypocritical and unloving you truly are!
Obama picks first. If he doesn’t select a woman, I would go with Palin. Romney’s not a bad second choice because he has wide geographic appeal-Mich, mountain states, and NH.
The best thing McCain could do is pick Romney and then sit down, shutup, and let Romney do all the talking.
And those most enthusiastic about hurling such invective will have only themselves to blame when it backfires.
There are few things more satisfying to see in politics than watching the enemy being hoisted on their own petard.
John Kerry legitimized the swiftboat attacks by making his dubious Viet Nam service the centerpiece of his campaign.
Obama legitimized the Rev. Wright rants by making race the centerpiece of his campaign.
And the barking moonbats who hate Mormons so bad that they think they should all be relegated to second class citizenship (at minimum) may end up nominating Mitt Romney after all.
Wow.
And all this time I thought Romney’s biggest problem is because he’s a LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then since I’m an evangelical, and I say that, it’s considered bigotry???????????????????????????????????
Talk about a high horse............
ping to post 6 on this thread
Romney’s a RINO and a complete albatross.
“John Kerry legitimized the swiftboat attacks by making his dubious Viet Nam service the centerpiece of his campaign.”
And we’re still waiting on that 100 pages of his service record he’s promised to release quite a few times.
“John Kerry legitimized the swiftboat attacks by making his dubious Viet Nam service the centerpiece of his campaign.”
And we’re still waiting on that 100 pages of his service record he’s promised to release quite a few times.
Romney is the perfect guy to counter the Obama worship. He outclasses him in every aspect - business success, looks, speaking ability, achievements, executive experience, etc. Strong family guy. He also complements McCain completely, adds votes in NV, CO and MI - all swing states - and is an economic expert to complement McCain’s clear edge as candidate for CIC.
Because of posters such as #6, #7 and #8 we are stuck with McQueeg.
Let me guess, satire? If so, that is pretty quality stuff.
Either that or you are setting the hypocritical and unloving bar really low by exhibiting exactly what you claim to condemn.
Sadly, having seen your posts in the past, I suspect the latter is true.
“His only problem is bigotry from the Evangelicals.”
Why in the world do you think evangelicals should violate
their consciences to vote for a cultist?? For what purpose?
Has it occurred to you that their reasons for casting their
own votes are theirs alone and not yours?
It seems that there is bigotry among Mitt supporters like
you, that insist their way is the only right way and
condemn the religious convictions of everyone else as wrong.
Pure Mittgotry.
Get this through your thick skulls, folks --- Romney is a liberal and his conservative talk during the GOP primary season, was just that. TALK!
Romney's real record shows that for most of his adult life, he supported liberal issues and liberal causes.
Enough already. No more moderates and NO liberals. McCain needs to pick a conservative who will act as a watchdog for the rightwing agenda.
This election is McCain’s to lose.
If he picks loser Romney, he most certainly will.
""His first budget, presented under a cloud of a $2 billion deficit, balanced the budget with some spending cuts,
but a $500 million increase in various fees was the largest component of the budget fix."
Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.
Romney was rated a "C" overall by Cato.
As U.S. real output grew 13 percent between 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts trailed at 9 percent.
* Manufacturing employment fell 7 percent nationwide those years, but sank 14 percent under Romney, placing Massachusetts 48th among the states.
* Between fall 2003 and autumn 2006, U.S. job growth averaged 5.4 percent, nearly three times Massachusetts' anemic 1.9 percent pace.
* While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.
"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.
In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal.
LOL-agreed.
Ditto.
I know of other “cults” and these same “Evangelicals” had NO problem voting them in office. Has it ever occurred to YOU, that we need a man with a brain - McPain lacks that. We need a man that can turn this country around - because McPain will destroy it. Has it EVER occurred to YOU,to start ACTING like a “Christian”? EVER? Or is that only reserved for Sunday?
“It seems that there is bigotry among Mitt supporters like
you, that insist their way is the only right way and
condemn the religious convictions of everyone else as wrong.”
I am not a Mormon. I would NEVER, EVER take out a full page add in a paper, as the Evangelicals did and spew HATE and Bigotry all over as the Evangelicals did. The very thought of Mitt as a VP caused the Evangelicals to show their TRUE COLORS! They HATE others. They selecively “pray” for others yet on Sunday, one can only hope that there might be a few kin words to pray for the unsaved - like Miit. Guess that's not Biblical to Evangelicals. Their modus operandus is HATE and REJECTION of the unsaved. Notice the hypocrisy? Notice how your actions don't follow that of Christ? Notice how you are just a “sinner” too? Who knows if YOU are saved ... only YOU know that but I ask you, does a “saved sinner” have such a haughty attitude and one of you're not good enough and bigotry? My Bible doesn't tell me that. Guess we don't have the same religion - I;m Bible based not HATE based.
“Pure Mittgotry.”
No, pure bigotry and hypocrisy on your part. Your actions and words tell me what kind of a “Christian” Evangelicals are.
Don't you know, that when or maybe I should say IF you are a Christian, when “one member of the body offends” it affects the whole body? It does. People look at your bigotry and hypocrisy and want no parts of Christianity, even if it is FALSE. You spoil it for the rest of us that don't have that affliction - hatred and bigotry and announce it no less and call themselves “Christians” and Evangelicals. If I were unsaved, I'd want no part of THAT KIND OF CHRISTIANITY.
I know of other “cults” and these same “Evangelicals” had NO problem voting them in office. Has it ever occurred to YOU, that we need a man with a brain - McPain lacks that. We need a man that can turn this country around - because McPain will destroy it. Has it EVER occurred to YOU,to start ACTING like a “Christian”? EVER? Or is that only reserved for Sunday?
“It seems that there is bigotry among Mitt supporters like
you, that insist their way is the only right way and
condemn the religious convictions of everyone else as wrong.”
I am not a Mormon. I would NEVER, EVER take out a full page add in a paper, as the Evangelicals did and spew HATE and Bigotry all over as the Evangelicals did. The very thought of Mitt as a VP caused the Evangelicals to show their TRUE COLORS! They HATE others. They selecively “pray” for others yet on Sunday, one can only hope that there might be a few kin words to pray for the unsaved - like Miit. Guess that's not Biblical to Evangelicals. Their modus operandus is HATE and REJECTION of the unsaved. Notice the hypocrisy? Notice how your actions don't follow that of Christ? Notice how you are just a “sinner” too? Who knows if YOU are saved ... only YOU know that but I ask you, does a “saved sinner” have such a haughty attitude and one of you're not good enough and bigotry? My Bible doesn't tell me that. Guess we don't have the same religion - I;m Bible based not HATE based.
“Pure Mittgotry.”
No, pure bigotry and hypocrisy on your part. Your actions and words tell me what kind of a “Christian” Evangelicals are.
Don't you know, that when or maybe I should say IF you are a Christian, when “one member of the body offends” it affects the whole body? It does. People look at your bigotry and hypocrisy and want no parts of Christianity, even if it is FALSE. You spoil it for the rest of us that don't have that affliction - hatred and bigotry and announce it no less and call themselves “Christians” and Evangelicals. If I were unsaved, I'd want no part of THAT KIND OF CHRISTIANITY. Mitt is an excellent prayer target -if you knew your Bible, you'd know that. You'd also not proudly display your hypocrisy. Yeah sure, pray for others but not someone like MITT - no hate him. Despise him. Run ads and let people know you HATE him. Disgusting. This is not what Christ taught.
I agree...Romney’s the one unless the female factor becomes an big issue.
You know, I appreciate your post for a couple of reasons. I am married to a really great Mormon. She’s the mother of our child and she’s my companion. Sure we’ve had our ups and downs, but you know, we’ve stuck it out. Out of curiosity, I’ve been following many “Mormon” or Mormon themed threads. My background does not include a strong belief in religion, I’ve been doing much soul searching and reading, but nothing has really “struck” me yet.
I’ve been learning alot about the religion that I didn’t otherwise know and it’s been enlightening from both perspectives. However, I must agree with your sentiments. The lack of decorum in those threads turns me off completely. My grandfather is a Southern Baptist and when he found out I married a Mormon, his “gift” to us was a book called “The Godmakers”.
Now any Mormon will tell you how insulting and incorrect the book is and a non Mormon will tell you how truthful the book is. The point is, there was never a chance for my wife to have any type of “normal” relationship with my grandfather and it hurt us both, me because she was hurt and her because he did what he did. My grandmother on the other hand embraced my wife and my grandfather played it close to the vest which made it a bit easier in the passing years.
She treated my wife like a grandaughter and it made a world of difference to us. What she said or did in private, I don’t know or care. All I know is she at least did the right thing and did not declare her personal religious objections to my wife. My wife and I made it a point to never discuss religion with them. We are family after all. No point in widening the rifts.
However, once my grandmother passed this past year, my grandfather has decided to show his hand. He actually encouraged me to leave my wife because she was a Mormon and he was scared for me. What does one do or say to that? (rhetorically speaking) I am not going to leave my wife over religion, it didn’t matter to me when I met her, it doesn’t matter to me now and I suspect it won’t matter to me for the rest of our lives.
Why do I spill my heart out? To show you and all the others that the words “spoken” do have an effect on those of us who may be interested in learning the truth but will not compromise basic human decency or disregard the basic Christian tenet to “Love one another” in the name of religion.
I will not ever investigate the Southern Baptist or Baptist church because of what my grandfather did. I believe he did what he did out of the bidding, training, education, or whatever of the Baptist church. I don’t believe that is Christ’s message. As you state, Christ said to love one another (paraphrased). Not just on Sunday.
Sure there is alot wrong with the Mormons, their own scriptures say some pretty damning things against others which causes much angst and animosity. Every person is imperfect, every church is imperfect. I believe the whole point is for each individual to earnestly strive to learn and follow the principles Christ taught.
I’m sure the folks who are constantly “battling” (I use the term loosely) regarding Mormonism will have some really helpful and insightful remarks or comments about what I’ve posted, some have in the past and it only served to prove what I already suspected. No compassion, no love.
Thanks for your post, well said.
FRegards,
SZ
“McPain desperately needs Mitt as a VP.”
I agree. McFraud is widely disliked by the Republican base for a multitude of knives in the back. Mitt really is not. This is not to say that Mitt is conservative, just that he is not widely hated, like McFraud. If McFraud picks a fellow Democrat in Republican clothing for Veep....he is signaling that he is not interested in the job.
If you are looking strictly as a Republican in today's world, then perhaps, but for Conservatives, the list is a little longer...
Pure Mittgotry.
Hammer, meet nail! Starting the
POOR, PICKED-ON MORMONS....victimology early in the thread.
Thanks for your honest remarks. Being a Mormon married to a Catholic, I appreciate your position. I couldn’t ask for a better husband. He’s my better half, I always say.
I feel we should not “judge, lest we be judged” as to the religious doctrine of others. We’re all supplicants at his feet, aren’t we?
I want a VP with competent ideas, personal moral strength, ability to understand all sides, and a willingness to pray to providence for guidance. Since Duncan Hunter is not considered at this point for VP, I’ll take Mitt. He certainly seems more qualified to me.
Regards,
Yellow Roses
Get real, McCain’s ego is too large to do that. And that’s probably part of the reason he would not pick a Romney to share his stage. Lindsey Graham is more along McCain’s speed: a brainy guy, leaning toward moderate politically, and not given to egotistical spittlage.
“Yo, Evangelicals, make Mitt your prayer target instead of showing how hypocritical and unloving you truly are!” I am very disappointed in you for such a blatant demogoguery. Do you get nose bleeds from your high and mighty perch?
Now I am constantly amazed and amused that some if not most ldsers are to thick to get it - MR is a liberal, MR is a liberal, MR is a liberal and that is why I do not support him.
If Mitt hadn't OK'd the law for MA residents as gov. this would not be a factor today...Thanks, "conservative" gov. Romney...this should really excite McCain in picking you for the VP slot.
“Ok, as someone who is tagged with evangelical and I am not self tagged that way.....I did not support MR because he is a liberal.
Now I am constantly amazed and amused that some if not most ldsers are to thick to get it - MR is a liberal, MR is a liberal, MR is a liberal and that is why I do not support him.”
With this childish chant:
” ... MR is a liberal, MR is a liberal, MR is a liberal ... I know I’m not a liberal is neither is Mitt. McPain is. Obama is. Perhaps that is another reason you are attracted to one of the two? Don’t tell me, Mike, the shyster was your man. He’s WORSE than Obama when it comes to liberalism.
Let's put it this way, I'm NOT part of whatever “body”you are. I find the Evangelicals that put out a full page ad spewing HATRED about Mitt, not Christian, according to my Bible. So maybe YOU are part of some “body” but it's not the same as mine since it violates Christian teachings ... you know ... the teachings of Christ. Teachings of Christ, require restraint not advertised hatred. Christian pray for anyone and everything. They even pray for their enemies - THESE are the teachings of the Christi if the Bible. Get to know Him ... while there is still time.
I appreciate your position.
As liberal as Mitt and McCain may be, I don’t believe the comparisons come remotely close to NObamaniacs positions.
Since DH dropped out, I’m in a conundrum. No candidate stands out and I’m in a funk about it. I will probably pull the lever for McCain only as a “lesser of two evils” thing. There is just no way I could I live with myself if NObamaniac is elected knowing I sat by and did nothing.
It seems all conservative pleas are falling on deaf ears.
Best to you and yours,
SZ
Sure its childish just making a point.
MR based on his policies as governor is a liberal, at the very least liberal leaning.
I am not sure who you mean “Mike”. If you are speaking of Huckabee, oh h@ll no.
Where you get that I may be a JM or Barry supporter is waaaay beyond me but oh well.
The only one I see posting that "childish rant" is you.
The sober fact is that Romney was universally considered a Liberal Republican up until 24 months ago, even by his own party.
We have been going over this since last November. Romney's "Conservative" record is very thin - on homosexuals, on guns, and on judges.
Mitt Romney: A Massachusetts Liberal for President
It would be a mistake of epic proportions for McCain to select Mitt Romney. The Conservative base already is trying again and again to swallow its own spit in order to attempt to vote for McCain.
And yes - the selection of Romney would alienate Evangelical Christians - who are a HUGE portion of the GOP base.
There were 26.9 million Evanglical Christian votes up for grabs in 2004. Bush won 79% of them.
Do you think McCain will match that?
He better hope he even exceeds it if he expects to be in the White House in 2009.
But, I expect McCain to pick Romney.
He isn't even answering Obama's attacks. It appears he wants to lose this race.
If he picks Romney, he will definitely get his wish.
Thank you.
His record was, and is, not Conservative - period.
I have stated that evangelicals won't be enthusiastic about Romney, and that is true.
I am a Conservative, and also and Evangelical.
The charge is that is born that Christians will not support Romney out of "bigotry" has a long and sordid history on this board.
Today, I believe that many, many Evangelicals are so turned off with McCain's Liberalism and the Mormon church's arrogant push and enormous effort to obfuscate Romney's record that they will either sit home or write in on election day.
The sad truth is, too many LDS members went over board trying to make Romney a justification for their faith, and a standard bearer for their blind political ambitions.
As to the "bigotry" charge, would I vote for the Catholic Alan Keyes?
You bet!
I am hoping Jewish Joe Lieberman finally joins the GOP, or Michael Medved runs for office?
Absolutely!
Romney? He is a Liberal, and his LDS crowd went over the top in an "Identity Politics" orgy of Jesse Jackson proportions.
I reject him. For that, I get called a "bigot." I also get called a "bigot" for opposing the Mormon faith on the Religion Forum on theological and biblical grounds.
Par for the course for the Mormons here.
I can think of no group that has done more to alienate others, and with such out of control rhetoric, as the LDS believers here on FR.
Yea, but how do you feel about egg custard?
Come on Sky don’t you think it is an important question since we are all accused of being haters and I do hate egg custard.
Do you have any details? Links? I really don't think it is fair to paint Evangelicals with such a broad brush. Dr. Dobson, for instance, would not even endorse Hucksterbee until Romeny dropped out of the race.
Huckabee pretty well cooked his own goose when he lost South Carolina, which should have been a cakewalk. Romney pulled out his campaign organization there to clear the deck for Fred Thompson who, sadly, was unable to take advantage of it. So it was essentially a contest between McCain and Huckabee. And Huckabee still lost on evangelical home turf.
Yes, there are screaming moonbats among the evangelicals. But they are nowhere near a majority. It may seem that way because the moonbat clique makes up in volume what they lack in numbers. But it ain't what it seems.
Most of the evangelicals I know are decent, respectful people like Dr. Dobson.
The Republican psychosis deepens...
I don't like it.
I also cannot stand these. They smell like....well...I won't say.
Whenever they are served at parties, I have to question the sanity of the host or hostess.
I think you are projecting here. I don't recall an LDS "Identity Politics orgy" at FR, but there sure has seemed to be a lot of over the top vituperation directed at Romney under the guise that he was a "liberal", when it appeared to be animated more by anti-Mormon animus than by political ideology.
I'm neither Mormon nor Evangelical, so I don't have a dog in the religion fight either way, but that's what I see.
Deviled eggs the building block of all pot lucks!
Hi yellow. I don't wish to argue with you, or disparage you in any way. You sound like you have a great marriage.
But, I am perplexed by something in your statement.
How do you expect to get to Mormon heaven with a husband who is not temple worthy and one who cannot call the secret name from behind the veil?
Parfaits - every body likes parfaits!
If you don’t believe the chant in #38:
“I find the theology flawed. I find MR to be a liberal, I do not hate liberals.”
Is childish - more power to you!
I findit childish and your reply as well.
“Do you have any details? Links? I really don’t think it is fair to paint Evangelicals with such a broad brush. Dr. Dobson, for instance, would not even endorse Hucksterbee until Romeny dropped out of the race.”
Sure do! WHERE have YOU BEEN?
http://nyformitt.blogspot.com/2008/04/huckabee-supporters-take-out-ad-against.html
Why he dropped the negative ad
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xb8ssj6sjhE
More Huck ads
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fD-8RRRZ5tY&feature=related
Time doesn’t deny truth. Some more truth for ya on what kind of slime ball Mike Huckabee IS:
Huckabee promotes ‘open door’ policy at LULAC convention
Thursday, Jun 30, 2005
By Wesley Brown
Arkansas News Bureau
LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life.
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/06/30/News/323746.html
Web special: Dumond case revisited
A reminder of Huckabee’s role in his freedom
Arkansas Staff
Updated 9/1/2005
Editor’s note, Sept. 1, 2005: Wayne Dumond, convicted of rape in Arkansas and murder in Missouri, died of apparent natural causes in prison Tuesday.
The occasion prompts us to republish Murray Waas’ prize-winning article for the Arkansas Times in 2002 about the extraordinary steps Gov. Mike Huckabee took to help win Dumond’s freedom. He has since blamed others for Dumond’s release to kill again, but his actions over many years demonstrated his support for Dumond and, ultimately, the instrumental role he played in the parole board’s decision to free him.
Special handling
How the Huckabee administration worked to free rapist
Wayne Dumond.
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419
Look up more on Mike at the archives:
http://www.arkansasnews.com/search/index.html
Who can forget this DEVIOUS action?
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/03/huckabee_airs_antiromney_ad.html
Ole slippery tongue Mike, says, “No, I won’t air that negative ad.” So what does the liar DO? AIRS it to the press over and over again. What a sneaky liar - airing it anyway to show the negative ad and get PRESS promotion of the ad. Sure he saved a few sheckles by letting the PRESS talk about his ad and shop it around.
“Huckabee pretty well cooked his own goose when he lost South Carolina, which should have been a cakewalk. Romney pulled out his campaign organization there to clear the deck for Fred Thompson who, sadly, was unable to take advantage of it. So it was essentially a contest between McCain and Huckabee. And Huckabee still lost on evangelical home turf.”
Mike didn’t have a chance in hell. It was only in his mind. He did well in the south and that was it. He’s no Christian. He ‘s a lying humanist. He dragged it out to chilidhsly just beat Mitt by a FEW points months later. Mike has no class. He’s petty. He’s tacky. Thank GOD he’s gone from this election. By the next election others will know more about him and he won’t win anyway. I simply despise religious hypocrites like MIKE Huckabee.
“Yes, there are screaming moonbats among the evangelicals. But they are nowhere near a majority. It may seem that way because the moonbat clique makes up in volume what they lack in numbers. But it ain’t what it seems.”
There are enough that have some $$$ to denigrate legitimate Christians.
“Most of the evangelicals I know are decent, respectful people like Dr. Dobson.”
You need to get around more. Most of them are holier than thou hypocrites. It’s embarassing. It’s too bad about Dr. Dobson ... he WAITED till Mitt willingly dropped out and then endorsed the creep, Mike. He knew Mitt was the better candidate but didn’t have the guts to endorse him.
What terribly sad and unnerving is the fact that these Evanglicals are so dumbed down and easily influenced. If you check the Huckster’s record, he was WORSE than a Demoncrat. He’s a socialist and preaches Humanism and they don’t know the difference.
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