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A Tale of Two Reactors
The New American ^ | July 7, 2008 | Ed Hisderodt

Posted on 07/15/2008 1:42:48 PM PDT by djsherin

A nuclear power plant is arguably the most extraordinary product of engineering and scientific know-how in the history of mankind. Once every 18 months or so, a truckload of metal is delivered to the nuclear plant. The metal is uranium, which has been processed to increase the proportion of the isotope known as Uranium-235. This fuel for the power plant is not dangerous and can be held in one’s hands without risk. Only a few decades ago, its primary use was to impart an orange color to ceramics such as Fiestaware.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: energy; johnbirchsociety

1 posted on 07/15/2008 1:42:48 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin

My father was a contractor (valves, meters, flow equipment) for the Midland, Michigan “nuclear” plant that was forced to go to coal-fired after billions were spent.

Such a waste.


2 posted on 07/15/2008 1:48:27 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: djsherin
This fuel for the power plant is not dangerous and can be held in one’s hands without risk.

come again.... Since when can uranium be held in your hands with no adverse effects?

3 posted on 07/15/2008 1:48:50 PM PDT by SwankyC
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To: SJSAMPLE

Oops.
The Midland plant went gas-fired.
Never generated a watt of nuclear power.


4 posted on 07/15/2008 1:54:29 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: djsherin

I recall living in the Northeast when Shoreham got deep-sixed. There was another nuclear reactor outside of Boston that suffered a similar fate, if I recall correctly.

At the same time this was happening, I remember
- New York and adjoining NE states would not permit a new gas pipeline from Canada (Iroquis) to be laid (NIMBY)
- refused to consider any coal plants from being built for power generation

Since this time, we have the unhealthy Senator from Massachusetts blocking wind-power generation in his state.

Result? NY and the NE remains hostage to burning fuel oil to generate power and heat. Those inpower chose to ignore the plight of the ordinary person there and give in to the extremism called Environmentalism.

Why are any of the people in leadership still in power? Of course it is convenient to blame “Big OIL” (that is actually very, very small nowadays) rather than their own misguided policies.


5 posted on 07/15/2008 1:57:21 PM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas; SJSAMPLE

Blame Jane Fonda and that idiot “China Syndrome” movie.

Geez ... how many causes has that moron promoted that has ended up costing millions of dollars or lives?


6 posted on 07/15/2008 2:18:22 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: SwankyC
Since when can uranium be held in your hands with no adverse effects?

U-235. Only when an atom of U-235 is split will it give off gamma radiation.

I wouldn't recommend trying to hold U-238 in your hand.

7 posted on 07/15/2008 2:21:58 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Conservatives say, 'Seeing is believing.' - - - Liberals say, 'Believing is seeing'.)
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To: djsherin

Ummm... you don’t want to hold uranium in your hands.

There are stories out there about a few of the nuclear accidents. One happened, I believe, at a Navy reactor. The techs had been trained over and over about how quickly they could remove the control rods. Well, something happened. So a tech went in and I guess removed a control rod too fast - and the reactor went critical, there was an explosion.

It was shut down, and after alot of cleanup and suiting up they went in. He was gone. They looked everywhere.

Finally somebody noticed him pinned to the ceiling dead, pinned to the ceiling by a control rod.

Go out to Wiki and read some of the stuff that happened at Chernobyl. It’ll scare the socks off of ya!

But regardless, reactor tech has vastly, vastly improved in the last 3 decades or so. So much so that I would feel safe having one in my house to generate power, but that’s not an option.


8 posted on 07/15/2008 2:28:43 PM PDT by djf (Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach get elected.)
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To: djf

That was at Twin Falls, Idaho.


9 posted on 07/15/2008 2:31:44 PM PDT by bvw
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To: djf

You can hold a fuel pellet or fuel rod in your hands, btw. As long as they have not been used. That is, gone critical. After that — no way. Tan tan boo hah.


10 posted on 07/15/2008 2:33:49 PM PDT by bvw
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To: SwankyC
Since when can uranium be held in your hands with no adverse effects?

U235 only puts off a small amount of alpha radiation which is normally blocked by a piece of paper, an inch or so of air, or even the layer of dead skin cells you have on you. Just don't breathe in any U235 dust.

11 posted on 07/15/2008 2:39:09 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: bvw

Yup. SL-1

But I just googled, it was Army, not Navy.

Pulled the rod out too far, it went critical from a normal nominal operating range of about half a megawatt, to over 20 gigawatts, in about a twentieth of a second!


12 posted on 07/15/2008 2:39:09 PM PDT by djf (Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach get elected.)
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To: SwankyC
From the MSDS for reactor fuel:

Radiological Health Risks of Uranium Isotopes and Decay Products In general, uranium-235 and uranium-234 pose a greater radiological health risk than uranium-238 because they have much shorter half-lives, decay more quickly, and are thus "more radioactive." Because all uranium isotopes are primarily alpha emitters, they are only hazardous if ingested or inhaled. However, because several of the radioactive uranium decay products are gamma emitters, workers in the vicinity of large quantities of uranium in storage or in a processing facility can also be exposed to low levels of external radiation. Chemical Toxicity Exposure to uranium can result in both chemical and radiological toxicity. The main chemical effect associated with exposure to uranium and its compounds is kidney toxicity. This toxicity can be caused by breathing air containing uranium dusts or by eating substances containing uranium, which then enters the bloodstream.

13 posted on 07/15/2008 2:42:27 PM PDT by Species8472 (Stupid people need stupid laws)
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To: SwankyC

Depends on the isotope. U-232 is fine, 235 is ok. U-238. . . is another story. . . .


14 posted on 07/15/2008 2:42:46 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: bvw
Well, YOU can hold it in your hands!
I'd rather not!

;-)

15 posted on 07/15/2008 2:43:26 PM PDT by djf (Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach get elected.)
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To: djf

That is the SL-1 story, a full scale meltdown in the US that few know about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1

I hope no one ever made another reactor that could go prompt critical by removal of a single rod, not to mention one that didn’t have a physical stop to prevent removing it that far.


16 posted on 07/15/2008 2:49:39 PM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: djf
Go out to Wiki and read some of the stuff that happened at Chernobyl. It’ll scare the socks off of ya!

I'm not the greatest fan of Chernobyl's RBMK design, but to be fair a lot of the reason for the disaster was human error. To start with, the operators purposely disabled all safety systems, running the reactor completely under manual control (the system as designed probably would have safely shut it down in time). They also had poor training in the reactor's design, so some things they did just made matters worse.

17 posted on 07/15/2008 2:51:43 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: bvw
That was at Twin Falls, Idaho.

If I'm not mistaken, that was the SL-1 research reactor in 1961. Three operators were killed by the accident. (This came up in a discussion on another thread.)

18 posted on 07/15/2008 2:58:48 PM PDT by Bob
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What about that new design, I believe its called the Pebble Bed Reactor. From what I`ve read, its an inherently stable design from the stand point of meltdown as they (the European designers) have turned off the cooling systems for days and not been able to melt the ceramic encased fuel balls.And what about all that decommissioned weapons material, take about turning swords into plowshares.Question though, can weapons grade materials be safely used in reactors?
19 posted on 07/15/2008 3:40:35 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

I’m sure it can be processed into fuel rods. Or pellets. I think the reactor stuff has some added ingredients in it, something about modulating the neutron speeds or whatever.

There is, after all, even now a considerable demand for uranium ore. One has to hope and assume it is for power generation and not weapons.


20 posted on 07/15/2008 4:48:09 PM PDT by djf (Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach get elected.)
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