Cro-Magnon 28,000 Years Old Had DNA Like Modern Humans

Science Daily ^ | July 16, 2008

[Soliton]

Some 40,000 years ago, Cro-Magnons -- the first people who had a skeleton that looked anatomically modern -- entered Europe, coming from Africa. A group of geneticists, coordinated by Guido Barbujani and David Caramelli of the Universities of Ferrara and Florence, shows that a Cro-Magnoid individual who lived in Southern Italy 28,000 years ago was a modern European, genetically as well as anatomically.

[keithtoo]

"Sudden Appearance, Fully Formed"

Same 'ol, same 'ol.

[kbennkc]

Cro-Magnons rule PING

[MissEdie]

Guess they've never seen the Geico commercials.

[fso301]

Someone help me out here but I suspect there are certain genetic characteristics that are common to all lifeforms.

[DManA]

It they are physically and genetically indistinguishable from Homo Sapiens, why do we still call them Cro-Magnons?

[cripplecreek]

Exactly.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

It they are physically and genetically indistinguishable from Homo Sapiens, why do we still call them Cro-Magnons?

QUIET! You're not supposed to ask questions like that.

[Mr. Mojo]

I’m pretty sure the Geico dudes were Neanderthals, not Cro-Magnons.

[BuffaloJack]

28000 years old. That’s way past retirement age.

[Savage Beast]

"The Cro-Magnoid people long coexisted in Europe with other humans, the Neandertals, whose anatomy and DNA were clearly different from ours."

We still coexist with the Neanderthals. They run the Democrat Party, the New York Times, and ABCNBCCBSCNN.

[cripplecreek]

I thought about considering myself to be cro magnon and demanding reparations from homo sapiens but sure enough some dumb ass neanderthal would come along looking for reparations from me.

[Coyoteman]

Cool results! I went back and reviewed the original paper and their methods look pretty sound.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

[mountainlion]

The little differences sure made a big difference between the species.

[Neoliberalnot]

“Cro-Magnoid individual who lived in Southern Italy 28,000 years ago was a modern European””

Probably considerably more intelligent than most modern Yur-a-peens.

[allmendream]

And where do you think their “Sudden appearance” was from? What would a non “Fully Formed” Cro-Magnon look like? A bit more like Homo Habilis perhaps?

[LiteKeeper]

YEC INTREP

[PBRSTREETGANG]

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and was later thawed by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me!

Sometimes when I fly to Europe on the Concorde, I wonder, am I inside some sort of giant bird? Am I gonna be digested? I don't know, because I'm a caveman, and that's the way I think!

When I'm courtside at a Knicks game, I wonder if the ball is some sort of food they're fighting over. When I see my image on the security camera at the country club, I wonder, are they stealing my soul? I get so upset, I hop out of my Range Rover, and run across the fairway to to the clubhouse, where I get Carlos to make me one of those martinis he's so famous for, to soothe my primitive caveman brain.

But whatever world you're from, I do know one thing - in the 20 years from March 22nd, 1972, when he first ordered that extra nicotine be put into his product, until February 25th, 1992, when he issued an inter-office memorandum stopping the addition of that nicotine, my client was legally insane. And, for that reason, I ask that you find him.. not guilty. Thank you."

[chesley]

No, no, no. You give the Dhimms way too much credit.

The Neaderthals existed hundreds of thousands of years without a government handout, or even a government other than the local headman.

Do you think the Dhimms, even their leaders, could support themselves without the coercion of the federal government?

I don't.

[allmendream]

Yes, there are genetic characteristics common to “most” lifeforms. Almost all air breathers have hemoglobin to bind oxygen in their blood. The difference or similarity of each species hemoglobin is thought to be a reflection of their common ancestry, with species closely related having identical or similar hemoglobin, and diverse species having differences at the DNA level that do not translate to any difference at all in protein structure (the DNA code being redundant) or the changes are in regions that are not highly conserved between species and are mostly conservative substitutions (a polar amino acid for a different polar amino acid for example).

[allmendream]

Brilliant skit by the much missed and much lamented Phil Hartman. Thanks for the laugh!

[who_would_fardels_bear]

When the scientists used to pronounce it like it looks (KRO-MAG-NON) then I thought cro-magnons were cool.

But now the scientists pronounce it like KRO-MAN-YON which is kinda gay.

So if I had lived back then, I would have preferred to have been a Neanderthal ... even though those goofy scientists call them Neander-TALLS.

[Interesting Times]

We still coexist with the Neanderthals. They run the Democrat Party, the New York Times, and ABCNBCCBSCNN.

That's "ABCNNBCBS." Much more elegant...

[HelloooClareece]

You just gave me the biggest laugh I’ve had in awhile. :)

[TheWasteLand]

I miss Phil. And so does The Simpsons.

[autumnraine]

So does this debunk the theory of Cro-magnoid and Neanderthals breeding to create the modern human?

[Oldeconomybuyer]

...a Cro-Magnoid individual who lived in Southern Italy 28,000 years ago looked just like Algore...

[freedomlover]

[divine_moment_of_facts]

“Cro-Magnoid individual who lived in Southern Italy 28,000 years ago was a modern European””

Of a lower conscientiousness like modern Europeans, too.

[autumnraine]

There are, we share something like 97% dna to rats. The thing is the cro-magnoids are genetically the same as humans. Neanderthals are not the same species as humans. Much like the difference in chimpanzees and apes I guess.

[Savage Beast]

Yeah, you're right, IntT. It's much better. But don't use the word elegant anywhere near ABCNNBCBS. There's nothing about that bunch of yahoos that is even remotely similar to elegance.

[Savage Beast]

You're right, Ches.

I would like to take this opportunity to appologize to all the Neanderthals. I misspoke when I compared them to Democrats. The Neanderthals are a People of Peace. Nobody is more patriotic, upright, good, decent, self-reliant, and devoted to this country than Neanderthal Americans...uh...well...forget I said upright.

[TexasCajun]

[Democrat_media]

Humans exterminated the Neanderthals in Europe.

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

Much like the difference in chimpanzees and apes I guess.

Chimps are apes. So are humans.

[webheart]

Some 40,000 years ago, Cro-Magnons -- the first people who had a skeleton that looked anatomically modern -- entered Europe, coming from Africa.

I really doubt that humans came from Africa originally. I suppose they could have, as easily as from any other place. They could easily have come from some other part of Asia. They could have come from Australia. They could have come from Anarctica, at a time when Antarctica was closer to the equator. I just wonder where they get the evidence to make the statement.

[Democrat_media]

Liberals are apes and dumber than rhesus monkeys.

[MHGinTN]

Just goes to show ya, mutation doesn’t always produce an improvement in the species.

[LiberConservative]

"Someone help me out here but I suspect there are certain genetic characteristics that are common to all lifeforms."

Yes. There is a 95% similarity between human and chimpanzee DNA.

[allmendream]

More like less than 80% DNA homology between humans and rats, not 97%. What is your motivation for making up numbers without knowledge of the subject. What are you trying to indicate by such an obfuscation?

Mary Schueler, Ph.D.

This expert's focus:
Comparing the DNA sequence of essential chromosomal regions from multiple primates to define functional changes that have occurred during evolution.
: Generally, human DNA is most similar to more closely related species like the great apes - chimp, gorilla, and orangutan. These are more closely related to us in evolutionary time. Species that have been separated from us for longer periods of time share less similarity. As you compare with species farther away from us on the evolutionary tree, we observe that DNA sequences that code for proteins are conserved while other sequence is not. This is thought to be due to the necessary function of the proteins in the life of the cell. If the sequence changes, the cell can't survive. We are less than 90% similar to most other species. Even within the primate lineage, as compared to old world monkeys, protein coding sequences can vary by as much as 15% (be 85% similar). As you move further away to mice and flies and yeast, the percentage similarity falls off quite a bit.

[Oztrich Boy]

Cro-Magnon 28,000 Years Old Had DNA Like Modern Humans

If that's true, why can't modern humans live to be more than 80-120 years old?

[allmendream]

Actually in DNA that codes for a protein (a gene) the similarity between humans and chimps is around 98%. Over the entire genome the difference is around 93-95% the same. This pattern holds true when comparing more distantly related species. A comparison with a New World monkey and humans would yield a 85% or less genetic DNA homology and the non-genetic DNA would vary by an even larger degree.

[Neoliberalnot]

The blueprint containing information for all different life-forms is based on the most efficient means of storing complex data ever devised—DNA/RNA packaged within nuclear proteins. Just because the same mechanism is used to store the information is no basis for suggesting each life form evolved from another.

[allmendream]

No but the nested hierarchy of similarity and divergence of genetic DNA, the increased divergence of non genetic DNA, and even the nested hierarchy of similarity in ERV insertion sequences are all an excellent basis for suggesting that we share a common descent.

What else explains the fact that if a human and gorilla but not oragutang share an ERV it will most certainly be in a chimp, and be less diverged from the original viral sequence than one shared between all primates and less diverged from the original viral sequence than an ERV only in humans?

[Fractal Trader]

GGG ping

[autumnraine]

I don’t think one evolved into another. In fact, I think the more secrets we unlock with DNA, the more questions we will have. I think some interesting information will come out about the theory of one species evolving into a completely different species.

[autumnraine]

“More like less than 80% DNA homology between humans and rats, not 97%. What is your motivation for making up numbers without knowledge of the subject. What are you trying to indicate by such an obfuscation?”

Sorry I was incorrect, but I wasn’t just making up numbers. I was attempting to recall the number that I read at the Fernbank Science Exhibit on DNA. If their information is incorrect, I apologize. Or if my memory failed me. However I am not trying to “indicate” anything. And your snobbish assumption of me making up the information I posted is disturbing.

[allmendream]

Usually when people make wild exaggerations it is to indicate a point.

And obviously you were pulling a number out of nowhere that had no substantiation as it is absolutely incorrect.

Usually the tact of “we are some exaggerated % the same as a newt” is used by those who wish to discount the obvious significance of our 98% genetic homology with chimps. If this was not your intention I apologize for assuming there was any forethought or intent in the incorrect and wildly exaggerated number you cited.

[Let's Roll]

Geico dudes ARE Neanderthals.

Cro-Magnons look like modern Europeans.