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The Geekiest Arsonist (Eco-terrorism)
Crosscut.com ^ | July 16, 2008 | Kim McDonald

Posted on 07/16/2008 5:50:44 PM PDT by jazusamo

Software engineer Jennifer Kolar is to be sentenced this week in federal court for her role in Earth Liberation Front arsons, including one at the University of Washington. Her time in prison will be reduced because she turned state's witness, but that doesn't mitigate the fact she is now regarded as a snitch by peers and could be labeled a terrorist by the government.

By Kim McDonald

"Don't hang up," FBI Special Agent Jane Quimby told Jennifer Kolar on Dec. 10, 2006. "There were arrests and there is a target letter for you." She gave Kolar the name and number of Andrew Friedman, the assistant U.S. attorney handling the Washington state indictments of the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). "It's in your best interests to talk with him," Quimby warned.

In December 2006, Kolar was in New York for meetings concerning her then-employer, AOL. A friend called her in the middle of the night, telling her about the arrests of Stan Meyerhoff, William Rogers, Chelsea Gerlach, Kevin Tubbs, and Daniel McGowan in what later became known as "Operation Backfire," an FBI roundup of ELFers involved in arson and other vandalism of facilities deemed to be symbols of corporate or government damage to the environment. The friend also warned her that her former boyfriend, Joe Dibee, had been interviewed by the FBI in Seattle and that the FBI seemed to know a lot. The critical part of the message was that Kolar's name came up during the interview. It was after digesting that news that Kolar's cell phone rang with Agent Quimby on the line.

Kolar was well-versed in the security practiced by underground movements such as the ELF. After she hung up with Quimby, she turned off her cell phone, removed the battery, and used a landline phone in the hotel restaurant to call a travel agency and friends in Seattle. She decided to return home, contacted an attorney, and began talking with the FBI and Assistant U.S. Attorneys Mark Bartlett and Andrew Friedman. Those debriefings led to the indictment of Briana Waters. Kolar was a key witness in Waters' recent conviction in the 2001 arson of the Center for Urban Horticulture at the University of Washington in Seattle.

On Friday, July 18, in the same Tacoma courtroom where Waters listened to Jennifer Kolar testify against her, Kolar will be sentenced for her role in that arson and others. Her plea agreement calls for a sentence of five to seven years in prison plus more than $6 million in restitution to the University of Washington and Cavel West Slaughterhouse in Redmond, Ore. To remain consistent with Waters' sentencing recommendation, the prosecution will also seek court determination that the three arsons Kolar participated in were acts of terrorism. While the so-called terrorist enhancement will not increase her sentence beyond the plea bargained agreement, it will have implications for Kolar. This look at her life is based on court testimony and documents from the case.

While many of the Pacific Northwest ELFers were highly educated, Jennifer Kolar's resume in particular stands out. She grew up in Spokane and attended the University of Colorado in Boulder. She became involved in animal-rights issues through her father but became active in college and while volunteering at Rocky Mountain Animal Defense. Kolar participated in chat rooms, attended conferences, and eventually become romantically involved with Jonathan Paul, known to Washingtonians as one of the spokespeople for anti-Makah-whaling activists. Meanwhile, Kolar also obtained a degree in applied mathematics and a master's in astrophysics, and completed coursework for a doctorate. Kolar is a geek.

But it was her romantic involvement with the swashbuckling and charismatic Paul that led her to ELF. Paul is one of four Oregon ELF defendants who assert they did not cooperate with the government, although they received significantly reduced sentences. He is serving 51 months. When Kolar met Paul, he was already a folk hero for refusing to testify to a grand jury in 1992 convened in Spokane to investigate property damage to animal labs at Washington State University. Paul became an instant martyr in the animal-rights movement for spending six months in jail for contempt of court. He then went on to acclaim in the movement in which Kolar eventually met him. Kolar and Paul corresponded via e-mail, and after a brief time, Paul invited her to visit him in Southern Oregon.

Kolar's visit led to her participation in the Cavel West Slaughterhouse arson in 1997. Among the security-conscious ELFers, Paul came under a lot of suspicion for bringing along a total stranger without any notice. But the arson provided Kolar a taste of "direct action," and within months of returning to Boulder, she and another student planned an arson at a gun club in Wray, Colo., that apparently used prairie dogs for target practice. None of the timed incendiary devices worked, however, and according to Kolar, she did not participate in any other direct action until she moved to the Pacific Northwest to begin her career in the software industry. By then, her relationship with Paul was over.

When Kolar moved to Seattle, she became involved in the protests outside of Neah Bay relating to the Makah Tribe's desire to hunt gray whales. Kolar's work on the whaling issue led her back to Jonathan Paul, who was the public face along with Josh Harper and Jake Conroy of an organization called Sea Defense Alliance, which owned a Zodiac and another boat named Bulletproof that monitored, harassed, and sometimes jeopardized the safety of the Makah whalers. Kolar was there with her then-boyfriend, Joe Dibee.

Dibee was also a geek, working at Microsoft and spending his money on private planes, diving equipment, and causes. While Paul was the charismatic charmer of the Sea Defense Alliance, Dibee did all the behind-the-scenes work. Dibee and Paul eventually clashed over ownership rights to the boats. During the prosecution of the Oregon ELF cases, evidence was presented that Dibee once drove to Southern Oregon with the intent of killing Paul. Dibee is a fugitive and is believed to have left the country shortly after the 2006 arrests.

After the whaling protests, Kolar continued making a nice living in the Seattle dot-com boom, working for a company called SchemaLogic, according to Kolar's online profiles. She broke up with Dibee after being introducted to William Rogers, who included her in so-called "Book Club" meetings, or the gatherings of the ELF cell.

While the FBI portrays Rogers as the "leader" of an ELF cell that ranged from Northern California to Colorado to Seattle, ELF doctrine holds that there is no leader of the groups. Rather, anyone who does the recon and research of a target can organize a direct action. In fact, of the 20 known actions attributed to the "group," Rogers only participated in seven. From the court documents and testimony in the Waters trial, however, it is clear that Rogers was a quietly effective collaborator-in-chief.

At the Book Club meetings, Kolar was instrumental in teaching the other ELFers how to use anonymizers and Internet proxy servers, as well as encryption technologies to disguise their e-mails, including codes based on novels by Leslie Marmon Silko. Kolar devised elegantly simple methods for ELFers to leave e-mails as drafts of a shared online e-mail account which were to be checked once a week. That avoided having digital transactions over the Internet which could be intercepted by the FBI. In the Book Club, Kolar found her outlet for direct action.

For all the vivid pain and suffering the victims of the Center for Urban Horticulture feel, Kolar remembers few details about the planning, the execution, or the ideology behind the target. In fact, she barely remembered that Briana Waters acted as the lookout for the four other ELFers the morning of May 21, 2001. By the time Kolar committed the UW arson, she was in a stable relationship with another computer geek who was unaware of her lawless activism. Together they owned a sail boat, moored at Shilshole Bay Marina, which they raced through membership in the Corinthian Yacht Club. During Briana Waters' trial, Kolar also testified that she traveled to Hawaii fairly soon after the arson. She also described her interest in "four-wheeling" on National Forest land (though not in protected areas). It is an understatement to say Jennifer Kolar lived a complicated life.

While Kolar's testimony pinpointing Waters was riveting, her description of walking into her office the next morning was mundane. She saw a Seattle Times headline about the Center for Urban Horticulture arson, but based on her testimony it does not appear that there is much introspection to reconcile two seemingly contrary lives. Even after her arrest became public, Kolar continued to race sailboats, was active in the yacht club, and moved up the career ladder in the dot-com world.

For all the compartmentalizing Kolar may be doing, though, the reality of being called a "snitch" has to be scary. Her picture and Lacey Phillabaum's — they were the two lead witnesses for the prosecution of Waters — are spread all over the Internet, with threats including this implied one from Animal Liberation Front activist Peter Young: "to snitch is to take a life. I call anything done to keep an informant out of the courtroom 'self-defense.'" Or statements from an anonymous poster who said: "they are snitches ... they sold out freedom fighters to the state. They should be rubbed out ... that is ... shot dead." It seems odd that such threats come from a community of people professing to care for the Earth. Aside from the obvious intent of frightening anyone from cooperating with the government, the threats must be scary for Kolar and Phillabaum.

After Kolar's sentencing on Friday, she will be designated to a federal woman's prison. But it is when she is released, five to seven years from now, that being labeled a snitch by peers and a terrorist by the government might haunt her. Her future work in the tech world may be hampered if security clearances are required. And as she well knows, it only takes a few moments on the computer to find her face and read the hyperbolic and angry testimony denouncing her choice to accept responsibility and the penalty for her role in the ELF arsons. Kolar is a traitor to her former friends and a terrorist to the federal government.



TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: 200612; 20061210; alf; brianawaters; chelseagerlach; danielmcgowan; dibee; ecoterror; ecoterrorism; elf; environment; gerlach; jenniferkolar; joedibee; jonathanpaul; josephdibee; kevintubbs; kolar; mcgowan; meyerhoff; nathanpaul; opbackfire; operationbackfire; redmond; rmad; rogers; seattlecell; stanmeyerhoff; syria; thefamily; tubbs; waters; williamrogers
Jennifer Kolar.

Jennifer Kolar.


1 posted on 07/16/2008 5:50:45 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: george76; Grampa Dave; girlangler

The Family Ping!


2 posted on 07/16/2008 5:53:03 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo
Previous sentences of The Family

Stanislas Gregory Meyerhoff - (5-23-07) - 13 years
Kevin Tubbs ----------------- (5-24-07) - 12 years, 7 months
Chelsea Dawn Gerlach ------- (5-25-07) - 9 years
Darren Todd Thurston---------(5-29-07) - 3 years, 1 month
Suzanne Nicole Savoie--------(5-31-07) - 4 years, 3 months
Sarah Kendall Tankersley-----(5-31-07) - 3 years, 10 months
Joyanna Lynn Zacher---------(6-01-07) - 7 years, 8 months
Nathan Fraser Block----------(6-01-07) - 7 years, 8 months
Daniel Gerard McGowan-----(6-04-07) - 7 years
Jonathan Paul-----------------(8-01-07) - 4 years, 3 months
Briana Waters-----------------(6-19-08) - 6 years

An older article in the Eugene Weekly News with pics and some background.

3 posted on 07/16/2008 6:05:14 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

Weren’t a couple of the terrorists “Evergreeners”...they went to the evergreen state college.


4 posted on 07/16/2008 6:06:20 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Keith Brown

Yes, there were several and Briana Waters was one of them. The link after the sentences I posted of the others may have some info on that, I can’t remember right now.


5 posted on 07/16/2008 6:08:50 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo
I hope they enjoy the new families they will have in prison. She will be in for quite a shock going from the yacht club to the bull dike club. I don't feel any sympathy for these radical geeks. They may be smart but they are still lowlife criminals who broke the law.
6 posted on 07/16/2008 6:36:26 PM PDT by peeps36 ( Al Gore Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: peeps36

You’re right, educated or not they’re lowlifes and I believe most of them got off too easy.


7 posted on 07/16/2008 6:41:47 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo
While many of the Pacific Northwest ELFers were highly educated...

While many of the Pacific Northwest ELFers were highly educated indoctrinated by far-left Obama-supporting wacko professors at government schools....

8 posted on 07/16/2008 6:48:50 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: jazusamo

Unfortunately, she won’t get as severe a sentence as she deserves.


9 posted on 07/16/2008 7:40:14 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: jazusamo

I hope they [the people she ratted on] put a rat jacket on her.


10 posted on 07/16/2008 7:43:12 PM PDT by sport
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To: tubebender

Jennifer Kolar


11 posted on 07/16/2008 7:54:52 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: jazusamo

Thanks

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/078/6a3


12 posted on 07/16/2008 7:59:32 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: jazusamo

I watched an episode of Criminal Minds tonight. It centered around an Eco-Terrorist group named EDF - I think it stood for Earth Defense Force. Turns out the bad guy was a “rogue”. They practically worshiped the cause the group stood for after initially implying the group was responsible for the arson events. Gideon even said, “I support your cause, just not some of your tactics”. Wonder if his character would have the same opinion of pro-life groups?


13 posted on 07/16/2008 8:00:46 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: george76

Thanks for the ping...


14 posted on 07/16/2008 8:24:11 PM PDT by tubebender (Why does a round pizza come in a square box?)
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To: jazusamo; editor-surveyor; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; marsh2

Another terrorist is sentenced in the North West...


15 posted on 07/16/2008 8:27:15 PM PDT by tubebender (Why does a round pizza come in a square box?)
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To: tubebender; MtnClimber; forester; rellimpank; familyop; moondoggie; LucyT; SunkenCiv; ...

Yacht racer to arsonist

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/08/yacht-racer-to-arsonist/


16 posted on 07/16/2008 8:35:14 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

You bet, that’s quite a resume she’s got but she won’t need it for a while. Like this McDonald says, she’ll probably be looking over her shoulder for a good long time after she gets out.


17 posted on 07/16/2008 8:39:23 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo
GUILTY!!!!

(so what if it's not a "naughty teacher" thread.)

Cheers!

18 posted on 07/16/2008 8:43:07 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: jazusamo

Guilty


19 posted on 07/16/2008 8:49:25 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats write their congressman to complain about video store late charges)
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To: george76

Had a custom home being built on my road, 3 houses down in the rural mountains in Colorado (too close to Boulder). The Ecos broke windows and left screeching notes about hurting mother earth on a few occasions. I volunteered to watch , block the one-way entrance if necessary and maintain 12ga duty till the sherrif’s dept came. The builder was too weak kneed. I was worried the eco’s would start a fire that would get the rest of us. The same thing around other homes being built, then you see plywood over windows. I would love to catch them!


20 posted on 07/16/2008 8:59:01 PM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: tubebender

IIRC, Jonathan Paul was a freeper about 6 or 7 years ago. His FR handle was the name of a cuddly critter. He spent an inordinate amount of time on Texas Cowboy’s (Cobb1 then) fire threads.


21 posted on 07/16/2008 8:59:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: jazusamo

The ‘red scare’ was just recognition of reality, and the ‘green scare’ is more of the same.

Bring it on!


22 posted on 07/16/2008 9:01:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: jazusamo

She may get a visit in prison ?


23 posted on 07/16/2008 9:03:57 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: tubebender

Hear the Greenies dropping... Listen to them fall... Send them all to prison... Jail will get them all... dropping, droping, droping, droping, give them up for snitches... they will bust them all!!!


24 posted on 07/16/2008 9:05:24 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: editor-surveyor

Was he in Eugene at the time?


25 posted on 07/16/2008 9:06:13 PM PDT by tubebender (Why does a round pizza come in a square box?)
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To: MtnClimber

Eco bullies are generally cowards.

Too bad that the builder did not man up.

Maybe Jesse got to him first ?


26 posted on 07/16/2008 9:07:02 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Carry_Okie
Do you remember the handle of the nut case from Eugene who posted on Fr for the ELF? I had him confused with Tre Arrow for awhile...
27 posted on 07/16/2008 9:09:17 PM PDT by tubebender (Why does a round pizza come in a square box?)
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To: jazusamo; Admin Moderator; tubebender; Grampa Dave; Issaquahking; AuntB

I wonder why this newsy item has been relegated to “General/Chat?” I suppose these “domestic terrorists” don’t rank up there with Tim McVeigh in newsworthyness in the minds of some...


28 posted on 07/16/2008 9:09:35 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: editor-surveyor

Paul was a firefighter of some sort in So OR. Can’t remember if he was a volunteer or worked crews in the fire season.


29 posted on 07/16/2008 9:10:49 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: SierraWasp

That was my fault, Sierra. I didn’t know if it would stay in News because of the source, I’m still learnin’.


30 posted on 07/16/2008 9:14:43 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: editor-surveyor; george76
Looks Michael Scarpetti is back in the states after fighting extradition from BC... TRE ARROW and is now on trial...
31 posted on 07/16/2008 9:14:58 PM PDT by tubebender (Why does a round pizza come in a square box?)
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To: tubebender

Tre Arrow pled guilty and was sentenced to 78 months the first part of June.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2025852/posts


32 posted on 07/16/2008 9:19:51 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

Two things I would like to point out.
1. Idealism.... it’s a grand thing until the consequences of the things you blindly espouse effect you personally.... then things are more of a guideline really.

2. Crime isn’t just committed by those with low self esteem. to be really heinous you have to be full of pride and self righteousness.

Elf members and those environmental whack jorbs, generally do not believe in God and mock those that do. However they are the most Pius and self-righteous people out there. They have to be because the more sensitive one is the more secularly righteous you are. And since there is no pure model like Christ then all they can do is compare and contrast their behaviors to each other. Therefore NO ONE will ever be good enough, because someone will always find just that one more thing to save.
Kinda like being a hindu. Endless spiral. Pathetic empty wastes of lives.


33 posted on 07/16/2008 9:27:59 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: jazusamo

Oh! That’s ok!! I enjoy what you post, so don’t stop!!!


34 posted on 07/16/2008 9:34:02 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: Walkingfeather

That sounds like it’s right on to me. I believe several of the women worshipped William Rodgers too, the guy that committed suicide in jail.


35 posted on 07/16/2008 9:43:08 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: tubebender
Are you thinking of ferret?
36 posted on 07/16/2008 9:46:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (G-d gave us Law a fool could follow, but a genius couldn't comprehend)
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To: george76; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

...from the yardarm...

Thanks geo.


37 posted on 07/16/2008 10:16:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: editor-surveyor; Carry_Okie
His handle was Ferret, thanks to Carry Okie for the help...
38 posted on 07/17/2008 6:01:18 AM PDT by tubebender (Why does a round pizza come in a square box?)
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To: george76

-thanks for the ping—


39 posted on 07/17/2008 7:21:21 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: SierraWasp; tubebender; steelie; Jeff Head; BOBTHENAILER; AuntB; dixiechick2000

“I wonder why this newsy item has been relegated to “General/Chat?” I suppose these “domestic terrorists” don’t rank up there with Tim McVeigh in newsworthyness in the minds of some...”

During and after the famous Klamath insurrection by FR, I caught hell from some senior freepers for daring to call the eco freaks, terrorist when they did acts of eco terrorism.

Violent and potentially dangerous acts are acts of terrorism when they are done by any group of whackos to gain a political or economic advantage over whom the acts are commited against.


40 posted on 07/17/2008 7:38:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: Grampa Dave; All
They are "TERRORISTS", plain and simple. Anybody here who says otherwise is a closet "Monkey Wrench Gang" koolaid drinker.
41 posted on 07/17/2008 7:55:35 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: tubebender; editor-surveyor
I had him confused with Tre Arrow

ferret had multiple handles. Besides Tre Arrow and Cobb1, I believe Hobbs was another.

I sort of liked him in the sense that he backed up his opinion with deeds, but thought him a clever and pompous idiot. He could never understand or accept the ecological damage his sort causes, nor the degree to which they really are control freaks.

42 posted on 07/17/2008 7:57:20 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (G-d gave us Law a fool could follow, but a genius couldn't comprehend)
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To: Carry_Okie; Jim Robinson

Yes...I remember Jim Robinson “tolerated” Ferret as the village idiot...


43 posted on 07/17/2008 8:27:57 AM PDT by tubebender (Why does a round pizza come in a square box?)
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To: Grampa Dave

Well, I’m sure glad you weren’t intimidated too badly by such self-conscious and mistaken FReepers of that era. Was I one of ‘em? (grin)


44 posted on 07/17/2008 10:47:19 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: Carry_Okie

yeah I pointed out a while back those idiots that burn the SUV’s put more crap into the air than 2000 suv’s driving for a decade. ( sorry made up my own stats there but you get the point)
Making the carbon credits deposited by the good deeds of the eco warriors....insolvent


45 posted on 07/17/2008 1:28:31 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

“wo things I would like to point out.
1. Idealism.... it’s a grand thing until the consequences of the things you blindly espouse effect you personally.... then things are more of a guideline really.

2. Crime isn’t just committed by those with low self esteem. to be really heinous you have to be full of pride and self righteousness.

Elf members and those environmental whack jorbs, generally do not believe in God and mock those that do. However they are the most Pius and self-righteous people out there. They have to be because the more sensitive one is the more secularly righteous you are. And since there is no pure model like Christ then all they can do is compare and contrast their behaviors to each other. Therefore NO ONE will ever be good enough, because someone will always find just that one more thing to save.
Kinda like being a hindu. Endless spiral. Pathetic empty wastes of lives.”

Well said !


46 posted on 07/17/2008 7:52:16 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: SierraWasp

“Hear the Greenies dropping... Listen to them fall... Send them all to prison... Jail will get them all... dropping, droping, droping, droping, give them up for snitches... they will bust them all!!!”

Yeah ! And make no mistake, they are as addicted to the
adrenaline and drama as they are to their narcissism— er “activism” .


47 posted on 07/17/2008 8:06:53 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: biscuit jane
Two of my most unfavorite besides EnvironMental terrorists... EnvironMental activists and EnvironMental advocates!!!

I guess my current tagline kinda sums up my sentiments...

48 posted on 07/17/2008 8:45:01 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: Grampa Dave; SierraWasp

My guess is that we are getting to used to it.

They are acts of domestic terrorism, and have been deemed so by our government.

I don’t understand the move to “chat” either.


49 posted on 07/17/2008 11:54:06 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Between Barack and a hard place...)
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To: dixiechick2000
Hey chick, how you been doin? I've been missin ya on this here website lately! You always have such good comments.

The Thread starter went ahead and explained that he/she/it started the thread under General/Chat because of being new here and a little unsure. You know, like you and I once were in the beginning. (grimace)

Yes, everybody has become quite desensitized by the MSM/DBM's interminable efforts to sell advertising through audacity and sensationalism with a distinct leftist tilt about EVERYTHING!!!

50 posted on 07/18/2008 10:43:22 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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