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Bush hitting dry holes in energy blame game
Palm Beach Post ^ | July 17, 2008 | Palm Beach Post Editorial

Posted on 07/17/2008 6:56:03 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage

Despite President Bush's less-than-subtle jab this week, Florida is not the reason why gas prices are more than $4 per gallon.

On Monday, Mr. Bush indulged his passion for empty symbolism by lifting a presidential ban on offshore oil and gas drilling, a ban his father established. The gesture is symbolic because Congress would have to go along, and Congress won't, primarily because Democrats won't.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: 110th; bush; democrats; drillheredrillnow; drilling; energy; offshoredrilling; oil
This leftist claptrap needs a dose of Freeper reality. No registration needed to post comments. Bombs away.

I already dropped one.

1 posted on 07/17/2008 6:56:04 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage
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To: Ron in Acreage

Let’s see - this “symbolic” and “empty” rhetoric that dropped crude prices by largest amount in 27 years. And it didn’t even take a drill bit to do it.

Anyone agree on this being just symbolism or do we agree that this is rubbish talk by a another lib who can’t see the facts when they stare them in his face?


2 posted on 07/17/2008 7:04:46 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: Ron in Acreage

very interesting comments... .


3 posted on 07/17/2008 7:05:05 AM PDT by what_not2007 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." MTwain)
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To: Ron in Acreage
The United States has gone nearly eight years without a progressive, balanced energy policy because President Bush never proposed one. Now, he's just drilling for votes.

Really? I always thought legislation was initiated in the House and then onto the Senate. Since Nancy's controlled the show since 2006, why is it "Bush's fault"? True, Bush has remained silent for too long, but with an approval rating of 9%, I think Nancy needs to jump in and grab her fair share of the blame.

4 posted on 07/17/2008 7:08:35 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: bestintxas

You should see the op eds on a daily basis. Marxist drivel every day. Duct tape required.


5 posted on 07/17/2008 7:11:50 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (GREEN=The new color of communism)
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To: Ron in Acreage

Not symbolic. The price of gas and oil went down in response.

Did the MSM cover this and the stimulus that caused it?
I think not.


6 posted on 07/17/2008 7:14:50 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Ron in Acreage
The gesture is symbolic because Congress would have to go along, and Congress won't, primarily because Democrats won't.

The Congressional Ban expires at the end of September, before the election. They'll have to vote to put it back/keep it in place. That'll warm voters to the Dems.

7 posted on 07/17/2008 7:16:56 AM PDT by Sax (this idea was not a practical deterrent, for reasons which, at this moment, must be all too obvious)
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To: Diogenesis

I actually heard one “top of the hour update” mention it in a somber tone as if the $9 per barrel drop was bad news.
Come to think of it, it is bad news. For democrats. Just like our successes in Iraq.


8 posted on 07/17/2008 7:22:16 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (GREEN=The new color of communism)
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To: Ron in Acreage

This “symbolic” move also clears the way for drilling after September 30, when the Congressional ban expires.


9 posted on 07/17/2008 7:22:53 AM PDT by mak5
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To: Sax

I was not aware of that. Thanks for the heads up.

The democrats will probably pull a fast one and hold a vote at midnight on a friday.


10 posted on 07/17/2008 7:24:11 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (GREEN=The new color of communism)
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To: Sax

I was not aware of that. Thanks for the heads up.

The democrats will probably pull a fast one and hold a vote at midnight on a friday.


11 posted on 07/17/2008 7:28:27 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (GREEN=The new color of communism)
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To: Diogenesis

Did the MSM cover this and the stimulus that caused it? I think not.


Precisely

Drilling in the Offshore

"But bizarrely, the AP didn’t mention that on Monday — again, the day of the single biggest one-day drop in oil prices in five years — President Bush removed the executive order imposing a moratorium on offshore drilling in the United States...


12 posted on 07/17/2008 7:34:53 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Ron in Acreage; All

According the April 16, 2007 edition of Forbes Magazine, "big oil" only controls 5% of the world resources:

Oil in the Seas


13 posted on 07/17/2008 7:45:35 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the Trakball in to the Sunset...)
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To: Ron in Acreage
Comments dropped.

Apparently this numbskull cares more about the opinion of his state's politicians than it's citizenry.

59% of Florida voters favor offshore drilling while 32% are opposed.

Like any leftist, he fails to grasp that politicians are elected to serve, not to rule.
14 posted on 07/17/2008 7:49:41 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: Diogenesis

I heard about it on a couple channels.


15 posted on 07/17/2008 7:59:08 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: EdReform

How does it matter, I thought no one paid any attention to AP anyway.


16 posted on 07/17/2008 8:00:32 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Diogenesis

gas went down..?? when ?? where?? in my area it actually jumped 10 cents a gal early this week and hasn’t moved since .


17 posted on 07/17/2008 8:02:55 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Ron in Acreage
I read a great piece yesterday that dealt with the price of oil in the late 70’s. Now I wasn't old enough at the time to have seen this happen...so others can chime in. Oil prices in the late 70’s began to drop from then record highs for two main reasons. The American citizenry began to conserve due to high market prices through the use of more efficient automobiles, better insulation of homes, etc. The other main reason...the INCREASE OF OIL SUPPLY coming from non-OPEC members. We are all starting to see examples of conservation in today's America...but we are not seeing an increase in oil supply from domestic sources. History is our friend.
18 posted on 07/17/2008 8:16:49 AM PDT by CastleMan95
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To: CastleMan95

Why then, does everyone make fun of the tree-huggers that drive alternative fuel autos?


19 posted on 07/17/2008 8:19:38 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Ron in Acreage
The gesture is symbolic because Congress would have to go along, and Congress won't, primarily

Congress has to explicitly pass legislation extending it, and the legislation has to not get vetoed

20 posted on 07/17/2008 8:22:54 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: CastleMan95

I remember my dad coming home with a new Ford Pinto during the 70’s. I believe he kept it for 6 months. What a piece of crap. It was nothing but new large Buicks after that.


21 posted on 07/17/2008 8:26:36 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (GREEN=The new color of communism)
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To: stuartcr

Alternative fuels? Are you talking about used french fry oil? Every time I pull up to a pump it’s always gas or diesel.

Maybe when McDonalds starts installing used oil pumps in their drive throughs, I might consider a conversion kit.


22 posted on 07/17/2008 8:31:04 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (GREEN=The new color of communism)
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To: stuartcr

I think people make fun of them because they feel most people driving those vehicles are primarily doing it for dubious reasons (global warming) and not for better reasons such as economic savings and achieving independence from Mideast oil. Just my opinion of course.


23 posted on 07/17/2008 8:36:12 AM PDT by CastleMan95
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To: CastleMan95

You don’t think people that drive those vehicles are doing it to save money on fuel? OK


24 posted on 07/17/2008 8:44:02 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: CastleMan95

You don’t think people that drive those vehicles are doing it to save money on fuel? OK


25 posted on 07/17/2008 8:44:03 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Ron in Acreage

My Pinto was one of the best vehicles I’ve owned.


26 posted on 07/17/2008 8:45:23 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

Some are but up until recently that wasn’t the primary reason for driving a hybrid (IMHO). I do think the recent surge in hybrid demand is a result of high fuel prices. I think its certainly true that as gas prices have risen, the economics of driving a hybrid have gotten a lot better. The overall economics of hybrids is more than just fuel prices. Hybrids cost more than the standard version of the same car, they have higher battery replacement costs, and I believe offhand that they have higher repair costs.

I would love to see hybrid owners polled to see what their primary reason for owning one is. I’d still say the result would be environmental reasons BUT saving on fuel costs would be the choice of a higher % then, say, 2 years ago.


27 posted on 07/17/2008 8:56:17 AM PDT by CastleMan95
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To: CastleMan95

I would call saving fuel to be an environmental reason.


28 posted on 07/17/2008 8:57:58 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Ron in Acreage

My comment to this bird cage liner:

Is the Post’s hatred of George Bush so deep that it is willing to continue to send $700 billion dollars a year to our mid-eastern enemies for the rest of the foreseeable future - that is until the US is bankrupt?

Oil is, and will remain a critical commodity until we can figure out how to fly an airplane with an extension cord!


29 posted on 07/17/2008 9:14:09 AM PDT by aShepard (Loose lips Sink ships)
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To: Ron in Acreage

Go back and look at some of Bush’s earlier speeches and you will see that he favored energy conservation, alternative sources, etc. You can read all of them at the Whitehouse.gov website. He can only suggest, he can’t legislate.


30 posted on 07/17/2008 9:28:36 AM PDT by bamagirl1944
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To: bestintxas

Spills from offshore drilling constitute about 1$ of the total and that figure can be greatly reduced by better on scene clean-up technology that is available.

By contrast, the vessels bringing in the increasing amounts of oil from outside the U.S. cause about 4$ of the spells.

Most, however, stem from seepage and other natural causes.

These are realities you will not see addressed in the leftist, in the tank for the Democrats MSM.


31 posted on 07/17/2008 9:33:15 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: CastleMan95

A lot of hybrid owners do it as a status symbol also. Especially those in Hollywood etc. They buy hybrids and then get in their private jets from Cali to NY on a regular basis.

As far as savings go, it takes at least 7 years to break even on the savings in fuel to cover the higher cost of the vehicle. I also read and saw on the news that a hybrid has a larger carbon footprint than a Hummer over the life of the vehicle. From manufacture to disposal.


32 posted on 07/17/2008 11:55:19 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (GREEN=The new color of communism)
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