Posted on 07/19/2008 6:07:08 AM PDT by Borges
After 40 years and 1,500 concerts, Joe Queenan is finally ready to say the unsayable: new classical music is absolute torture - and its fans have no reason to be so smug.
During a radio interview between acts at the Metropolitan Opera in New York, a famous singer recently said she could not understand why audiences were so reluctant to listen to new music, given that they were more than ready to attend sporting events whose outcome was uncertain. It was a daft analogy. Having spent most of the last century writing music few people were expected to understand, much less enjoy, the high priests of music were now portrayed as innocent victims of the public's lack of imagination. If they don't know in advance whether Nadal or Federer is going to win, but still love Wimbledon, why don't they enjoy it when an enraged percussionist plays a series of brutal, fragmented chords on his electric marimba? What's wrong with them?
The reason the sports analogy fails is because when Spain plays Germany, everyone knows that the game will be played with one ball, not eight; and that the final score will be 1-0 or 3-2 or even 8-1 - but definitely not 1,600,758 to Arf-Arf the Chalet Ate My Banana. The public may not know in advance what the score will be, but it at least understands the rules of the game. There is no denying that the people filling the great concert halls of the world are conservative, and in many cases reactionary: reluctant to take a flyer on music that wasn't recorded at least once by Toscanini. They know what they like and what they like is Mozart.
(Excerpt) Read more at music.guardian.co.uk ...
Describes most of today's music, movies, TV (including news, commercials & prime time), metaphorically speaking.
Classical Music PING
It’s the special olympics of music.
I agree. I’ve walked out on or fallen asleep during modern classical music concerts. They are not music. They are noise in the same way as Miles Davis’ fusion jazz movement. I’ll take Mozart any day.
Joe Queenan has his "emperor has no clothes" moment.
This is quite a good and funny article. Sample quote about a modern classical music piece composed around the theme of interfacing with water sandwiched between a couple of old chestnuts:
“It [the modern piece] was bloated but thoroughly harmless, and the audience responded warmly; nothing thrills a classical music crowd more than a new piece of music that doesn’t make them physically ill. But the concert underscored the problem in including new work on the same programme as the old chestnuts: it is not just asking striplings to compete with titans; it is asking obscure, academically trained liquid interfacers to compete with titans at the top of their game. As the saying goes: you don’t send a boy to do Franz Liszt’s job.”
The true modern version of classical music is to be found in movie soundtracks. Composers such as John Barry, Lalo Schifrin, Basil Poledouris, and Jerry Goldsmith to name a few.
“It’s the special olympics of music.”
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Alas, it seems to be the special olympics of life in general. We have the most pathetic candidates imaginable running for president, movies so awful that I hardly ever want to watch one anymore, even young people seem to listen to the pop music from forty or fifty years ago rather than what is current. So-called journalists appear to be at best only vaguely acquainted with the English language. Television programs represented as “Science” reporting spread disinformation about climate change. The medical profession moves the goalposts on cholesterol, blood pressure and blood sugar in an apparent move to ensure that every American is prescribed chronic medication at the earliest possible age and kept on medication for life.
I agree. I've heard many soundtracks that contained what could have been the core of a concerto or symphony, or at least a prelude.
I agree wholeheartedly as well. John Williams and Howard Shore leap to my mind. These modern “classical artists” can’t hold a candle to the any of the movie music composers mentioned here. From Victory at Sea to Star Wars to ET to Lord of the Rings to Star Trek to Patton, they have compiled an astonishing libretto of works that will stand the test of time.
new classical music is absolute torture
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It’s also insulting as is so much of “modern” is. Standards are lowered or discarded completely and the resulting art is called “modern”. It’s true of all art these days, music included. I don’t even attend events showcasing anything modern anymore.
The implication being that the best modern music is an imitation of 19th century Romanticism?
I would say that modern movie music has some of its roots there. Just as some of the original classical masters were influenced by each other or the way that the Beatles influenced many, many rock bands that came after them. Just because one is influenced by someone who came before, doesn’t mean his or her work is un-original. Movie music is the venue that most closely upholds the traditions of the classical music of old.
Your comment reminds me of something I saw on the Muppet Show. Gonzo the Great’s Rock Band; which consisted of him standing on stage, surrounded by rocks, screaming “ART! ART! ART!” while banging on a drum or a gong. Very funny and all too true.
My local classical music station does a program on Saturday mornings called “Classics from the Movies” (or something like that) and all they play is instrumental pieces from various soundtracks.
Some movies instantly recognizable (such as John William’s Star Wars) others not so much...but ALL beautiful, intricate, well-crafted works that as you say will “stand the test of time.”
LOL...one of the most enjoyable parts of this program is listening to the announcer (typical somber, intellectual, classical-music-type voice) detailing the composer’s name, the orchestra involved and noting “the piece is from the soundtrack of ‘Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure’.”
I happen to believe this philosophy is true in far more fields than classical music. Thanks for this absorbing read.
Getting captivated by modern music leads to Stockhausen Syndrome.
I've had a theory which I call the "Art of the Ugly". In my mind, this "art" started in the 30's with the newly-aggressive manifistations of ugly socialism, communism and fascism throughout the world. For some psychological reason, I suppose, much art also began to be uglified, cynical, negative and nihilistic.....and it continues to this day.
Too many paintings, sculpture, music, poetry, architecture, modern dance, playwrighting, movies, popular music, literature, you name it, became uglified, coarse, incomprensible, distorted, laden with outright or implied sex/profanity, anti-religious, untalented/undisciplined, or consisted of outright con-artistry like framed blank canvasses or random paint splatters sold for millions of dollars.
Even toddlers were not spared with the creation of uglified dolls with mashed-in distorted faces.....and now a Barbie Doll dressed in sado/masochistic clothing.
One safe haven from the heavy breath of ugliness assaulting our senses has always been listening to beautiful classical music. I suppose the uglification of America makes us afficionados cling to it even more.
I afforded modern atonal music a try even though I knew I would never like it. I never did. I guess I gave it a go because if I didn't, I would be called a "racist"....oops, scratch that....... I meant, I would be called "old-fashioned" and "closed-minded".
Well, just call me "Methuselah-ette", pour me some nice Merlot........and play me some dreamy Chopin!
Leni
Leni
(....using million-man march numbers this morning, hah.)
Leni
Atonal music isn’t that new anymore. Schoenberg wrote his first atonal piece in 1908. And Chopin was one of the pioneers of proto-atonal music!
[... Alas, it seems to be the special olympics of
life in general. We have the most pathetic candidates
imaginable running for president, movies so awful that
I hardly ever want to watch one anymore, even young
people seem to listen to the pop music from forty or
fifty years ago rather than what is current. So-called
journalists appear to be at best only vaguely acquainted
with the English language. Television programs represented
as “Science” reporting spread disinformation about
climate change. The medical profession moves the goalposts
on cholesterol, blood pressure and blood sugar in an
apparent move to ensure that every American is prescribed
chronic medication at the earliest possible age and kept
on medication for life...]
You have just written America’s epitaph.
Hans Zimmer is good too.
Agreed, but he had the talent to know how to do it and still sell records!
Leni
There’s a classical music ping list? Can you please add me to it?
There is no denying that the people filling the great concert halls of the world are conservative.... They know what they like and what they like is Mozart.
***In one sentence, that describes my preferences reasonably well.
Art creates its own audience. If it doesn’t, then it isn’t.
“Art creates its own audience. If it doesn’t, then it isn’t.”
Perfect.
This is one of the best critiques on modern music ever written. It agrees with my feelings completely.
The comments concerning the beauty of movie themes is absolutely dead on. Many of them are simply wonderful....because they are trying to attract people, not prove that they are hip and avant garde.
I haven't read such an entertaining, spot-on skewering in quite some time.
I think he was supposed to be a caricature of John Bonham.
Simply stated humans are hard-wired to appreciate tonal music. Atonal music as a rule is total gibberish...except of course for sound effects as in movies like “Jaws” as Queenan noted.
Simple: If you don’t get it, don’t listen to it.
Leave the listening to the ears who do get it, and smother your ears in saccharine Mozart crap.
***Simply stated humans are hard-wired to appreciate tonal music.***
Absolutely, and the discordancies of what was described to us as “experimental” music some years ago are now foisted off to us by PBS as “classical music.”
This guy is from Great Britain and Karl Jenkins is tremendously popular there. And as others have said, there is a lot of classical music which has been written for the movies that has become very popular.
Come on you can defend modern music without calling Mozart crap. He was the most radical composer of his time.
Thanks. Cheers.
You’ve been added to the list!
Thanks!
I agree wholeheartedly, except that I believe it started long before 1930. It actually goes back to the alienation of the intelligentsia from their own society in the 19th century. They hated their own society, its members, what they believed in and anything they enjoyed.
Initially this was confined to a very tiny group of avant gardists, but it has gradually spread down and out into society as more people acquired an “advanced eduction.” One of the best ways to prove you’re a member of this exclusive group is to express your hatred for your own society.
For artists, this meant producing stuff most people couldn’t understand and didn’t like. They even invented a term for this anti-art: transgressive. The audience proves its membership in the “hate our own society” club by pretending to like and enjoy transgressive art and literature.
The odd thing is that we’re about to have an election in which the haters of America will probably win, as at least for the moment they appear to have a majority. For some reason they don’t appear to be able to recognize the incongruity of hating a society in which they are in the majority.
Queenan’s a funny guy. Thanks for posting.
"Crap"? "saccharine"?
You haven't been listening.
Our choirmaster at church is also an avant-garde composer (he's actually recorded.) His stuff is way above my pay grade, but it does make sense.
Probably because he knows and loves the classics, including Mozart. We sang the C major "Spaurmesse" for Easter -- and it is neither saccharine nor crap, I assure you.
He’s got a point. Some of the modern stuff makes my ears bleed.
Shore thang! Ole Freddie sold 25 million LPs in 1848!
Look up Terry Teachout’s comments on this article in today’s WSJ.
Agreed particularly with regard to music. I don’t much like ANY music that is created today. It’s all boring and forgettable.
No; they can all recognise that the difference between noise and music is harmony, something sorely lacking in 'new music', whether classical or rap.
Look back in history, no matter when, you'll find that 99% of 'popular music' is crap.
Today is no different.
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