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What Asian-Americans think of white Americans. Is this true?
stuffwhitepeoplelike.com ^ | February 16, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Tom Sawyer

Posted on 07/19/2008 3:16:05 PM PDT by dennisw

 

 

I came upon this comment on a blog entry about why one of the "stuff" that white people like is Japan. 
Scroll 1/7the way down the thread to find it

 

 

 

Tom Sawyer on February 16, 2008 at 1:31 pm alt

I am in total agreement with the posts above…the author of this blog is ASIAN.

This blog reeks of

“Asian American (I am almost 99% it is Korean-American) Guy who realizes that the Fixed Action Patters of Upper Middle Class, Urban, Liberal White People” is the standard target and pinncale lifestyle to which almost all wealthy and educated people in America strive….and is a bit peeved at it so decides to poke fun of it in a light, but still somewhat derisive manner”

For all of you who mistakenly believe that the author is black or hispanic, I quote the famous SNL skit: “Nigga Please!”

Although Black or hispanic people poke fun at and find much of white culture quirky and hilarious, they do not write blogs which dive so deep into showcasing white culture and critique in a way that exudes insecurity or a vent-up “grudge” as this one does. You can see that that none of the items in this blog are really far from fact. Alot of the items of in the list do indeed apply to a very large section of white population in America. The author does not really lie or distort reality. However, that’s just it. Only Asians find the reality of white culture to be bothersome to their pre-programmed prejudices of what is superior. Hispanics and blacks would be more likely to make up and totally distort the reality of white culture and make jokes about it and leave it at that since they really don’t care what white people do as long as it doesn’t infringe upon their enjoyment of life. In other words, Hispanics and blacks are perfectly fine with the whites wanting to recycle, drive Priuses, live by the water, shop at Whole Foods or what not because if they were making as much money or obtaining the same level of financial comfort, many black and Hispanics would probably want to do the same thing too. Or, they would choose not to, but it doesn’t bother them. Simply put, black and hispanics are comfortable being themselves and with white people being different. They really don’t have any dreams or illusions of black or hispanic culture dominating the “stuff that white people like culture” and really don’t get annoyed that liberal, urban white culture is what it is.

However, with Asians, it is a completely different story. Asians have this strange underlying “grudge” or I should say, “inferiority complex” with any culture or people that are different from themselves but hold a dominance in the society in which both live. Thus, this reality does not fit well with the natural competitive and insecure nature that personififes so much of the Asian immigrant culture in the western world. Unlike black and hispanics, the Asian population in western countries has already reached the same level of economic/financial success that white people hold, and in Asian culture, there is no greater feeling of enjoyment than seeing yourself becoming the dominant power. Thus, because Asians share pretty much the same socio-economic status as whites, they are much aware and exposed to white, urban, liberal blue-state culture since they probably work alongside these types of white people and probably have gone to the same wealthy, high ranked, hippie universities full of white people that this blog ridicules. Not too many black and hispanics have reached this position to be so close and neck to neck with the white population that is the target of this blog. That is the diference.

Thus, Asians see that in this country (USA) or whichever country in which Asians and whites are neck to neck, that despite sharing almost the same economic status with that of the white population, the standard for hipness, wealth, and whatever is considered “cool”, fashionable or trendy is basically “stuff that urban, progressively-minded white people like”…not stuff that “rich, successful, science/engineering background-minded Asian people like.” This reality conflicts and does not bode well with what these Asians have believed throughout their entire lives from birth which is that “Our Asian culture is superior to any caucasian culture because our race is the most intelligent and most beautiful in the world”. It is a commonly known fact that Asian culture in the form of parents, schools, media drill this message of racial superiority into their heads from birth. Thus, when these kids grow up and actually see that reality of the world is totally different from what their masters in their little Asian enclave of racial superiority has told them, they get confused, jealous and spiteful to the point where they need to find tribal comfort in congregating with other Asians and finding humor in telling each other how funny it is that white people’s culture is so different from theirs.

The irony is, however, that in secret or behind closed door amonst themselves, alot of Asians actually yearn for the same things found on this list…especially living by the water or shopping at high end groceries. However, they are just irritated that they came from a culture in which their families could not afford to or did not give a rat’s ass about the environment, recycling, helping poor people in third world countries, eating organic food, helping causes, going snowboarding, renovating a house, throwing dinner parties, travelling to exotic locales, etc., Granted it is not their fault because as immigrants to a new country, their parents did not have the time nor luxury of doing these things because they were too busy trying to make money or push their kids at school to learn Calculus by age 10.

Instead, these Asian kids grew up seeing TV shows from their motherland countries and their families living a different culture: obessing about money, buying expensive designer name brand goods with the label on the front to show off (Gucci, Guess, Dolce Gabanna, etc.), smoking cigarettes in front of their girlfriends, driving nothing other than Mercedes Benz and BMWs, listening to cheezy ballad or R&B based pop music, striving to be a rich doctor, never thinking about travelling to third world countries (only places where they want to travel is K-town in LA, NYC, or anywhere which is considered “fashionable”), etc. Becuase they grew up seeing this type of lifestyle and culture as what is cool and what every normal person strives to acheive, they are heartbroken and angry when they realize that noone in upper class America considers this type of lifestyle to be “cool” or reflecting of high class or wealth. Thus, you get the grudge and blogs like this.

Now of course, before anyone jumps on my back, I know I did ALOT of racial stereotyping and applied a huge range of broad labels to Asians in general. However, my response to that is, “I really don’t care.” Why? Because I can. The reason is that although I am not a member of this group, I spent almost all of my 34 years growing up surrounded by Asian Americans with almost 70% of my childhood friends being Asian, going to school with them side by side, eating dinner and spending weekends upon weekends at their houses with their families, and just knowing their culture inside out. I can even speak Mandarin and Korean even though I am a white boy. Now, I will say that almost half of my close friends now are Asian. However, none of these people subscribe or are victims to the mental disease of insecurity and inferiority complex which I described above. In fact, these guys are “whiter” than me in so many ways and unlike the Asians which I describe above, they really don’t care that “white culture” is different from what they grew up with and really don’t care that it is the dominant standard for what is considered trendy and characteristic of wealth and high-class. In other words, they are absolutely comfortable with themselves. Thus, I want to say that NOT ALL ASIANS ARE LIKE WHAT I DESCRIBE ABOVE.

However, I would like point out three points in the list of this blog that are dead giveaways that the author is Asian and not black or hispanice. Here they are:

#68 Divorce

- Please. I think more blacks or hispanics get divorced than whites. No black or hispanic would be foolish to cite this as something characteristic of being something only a white person would do. However, I can’t even count how many times I have heard the endless adage from Asians saying how terrible and inferior white American culture is because the divorce rate is so high in this country. They insist that Asian culture is that of higher morals because divorce is uncommon. Well, I guess it would be that way since the only other alternative for an Asian women would be to become a prostitute and outcasted by society for the rest of her life since a divorced woman has as much value as a slab of T-bone steak 10 days past the expiration date. No wonder you see so many loveless Asian couples who stay together just for superficial face value while the husband goes and screws whores at the hostess bar on a weekly basis while the wife flies to Europe or Thailand with her girlfriends for a romp in the sack with locals. Meanwhile, the kids grow up seeing such a screwed up household and become permanently scarred for life so they end up jaded, angry, and insecure. Thus, many of them end up writing blogs like this. Oh well, but according to them, this type of relationship is waaaay better than divorce.

#47 Art Degrees

- Again, while in university, I was astounded by the number of Asian students who told me how they hated courses in English lit, history, or any of the humanities courses which required them to write. Thus, it’s not surprising that I found the opportunity to make alot of good money from Asian high school kids who would pay me to write their college application essays since they had no writing skills whatsoever to complement their 800 math SAT scores. I’m not talking about international students either but rather Asian-Americans. It’s strange that even with the privledge of having grown up in an English speaking educational system, so many Asians have difficulty in expressing themselves outside of number or equations. I think this stems from the fact that they are conditioned within their families to think that the only respectable disciplines or professions are ones that use science and math. Any other academic discipline such as arts and the humanities is for the inferior white race. Thus, this becomes ingrained in their heads. However, the caveat is that when it comes time to apply to Harvard or Princeton, they realize that their high grades in math/science and 800 math SAT scores don’t mean jack when they also carry poor grades in English or low verbal SAT scores. I guess that’s where I come in. In any case, many an Asian student who was denied his/her chance at Harvard, Stanford or Yale because of their weakness in the arts or humanities has expressed to me their utmost hatred in all of their high school English teachers, college essays, etc and vow that they would like to exterminate any person who majors in such disciplines and gets a better paying job (probably a lawyer) than themselves. Dead giveaway. Blacks and Hispanics don’t give a shit about who majors in what.

#42 Sushi and #58 Japan

- Actually, these two may be more of a confirmation that the blog writer is definitely NOT Japanese but most likely Korean or Chinese American. However, that in itself serves as a strengthening evidence that the writer is definitely Asian and not hispanic or black because there is no way in hell that a black and hispanic would know or even care to subdivide the Asian fetish that alot of white people have. To black and hispanics, a white person fawning over anything Japanese is just an “Asian fetish.” However, to a Korean or Chinese person, a white person fawning over anything Japanese is just one more cherry on the top of the pudding of insult to their own culture which they believe to be superior to that of Japan’s. To Korean-Americans and Chinese-Americans, Japanese are pretty much at the same level as white people are in terms of targets of jealousy, insecurity, disdain and their grudge. I really don’t think any black or hispanic would give a frog’s fat ass whether or not white people preferred Japanese culture/food to that of Koreans or Chinese but for the Koreans and Chinese, it’s just makes them squirm even more with rage and jealous grudge. Spend any time with a Korean or Chinese and they will tell you that the thing that they hate more than Japan itself is the fac t that Japan enjoys a very popular image throughout the first world and is considered “cool” and “hip” among wealthy, urban, intelligent whites. They really don’t like it that kimchi, soju, Korean soap operas, turtle boats, and Panda express do not conjure up the same image of elegance and chicness that sushi, “Lost In Translation”, samurai and sake do for white people. Definitely, it would not be on this list if it was a non-Asian.

For a better idea of what I am talking about, look at the website below. It’s chock full of Asian American males who are venting their anger and frustration at being the little man on the totem pole in American society. Their posts describe their laments but also their dreams and fantasies of finally being able to turn into the second Ming Emperior who will destroy all white males and reestablish themselves as the ultimate alpha males in society. It’s a good laugh.

http://www.thefighting44s.com/



TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: asianamericans

1 posted on 07/19/2008 3:16:05 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Can one person speak for a race? No. This person feels that way. It empowers them in their own minds by spreading the attribute to their entire race.


2 posted on 07/19/2008 3:28:39 PM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

The inferiority complex has no bounds in certain people.


3 posted on 07/19/2008 3:30:10 PM PDT by allmost
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To: dennisw
the standard for hipness, wealth, and whatever is considered “cool”, fashionable or trendy is basically “stuff that urban, progressively-minded white people like”…not stuff that “rich, successful, science/engineering background-minded Asian people like.”
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I am a successful, upper-middle class, science/engineering **WHITE** person and I don't like what is fashionable with “urban, progressively -minded white people”!!!

Perhaps the conflict is **not** race it is the culture of conservative scientific rationalism vs. Liberal/Marxist ( now hiding under the name “progressive”) mushy thinking!

4 posted on 07/19/2008 3:34:13 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: dennisw

What I don’t understand is why anyone would want to be part of the “white urbane liberal blue state Prius” culture?


5 posted on 07/19/2008 3:35:04 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: allmost

Its not even his race.


6 posted on 07/19/2008 3:37:08 PM PDT by bill1952 (Obama-the only one who can make me vote McCain McCain-the only one who can make me stay at home)
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To: dennisw
Here I'm not referring to your question but to what you've quoted:

I do find it weird to see "Xs are like this and Ys are like that" language, especially after hearing that writing that way is RACIST, heh. Right, I seldom use the R-word when that language comes up, but I do generally hate generalizations. I consistently notice when people's broad statements fail to cover me, and I've never been clannish thinking about myself or about other people. If we're really individuals and not just faceless tribes or classes or whatever boxes people will dream up next, then, well, we're individuals.

Yes, I did read the disclaimer, but the logic doesn't sway me (though the "almost half of my close friends now are Asian" part did made me titter inside). If anything, his mentioning His Close Friends' not matching his description weakens his defense of his writing that way. (And people paid him to write their essays? Hope they didn't pay too much.)

As for the rest of this post? I could wait for more people to chime in, and for all I know what he says might be true of a fair number of people somewhere. But the "those people are like that" talk is almost always a stumbling block for me, heh.

7 posted on 07/19/2008 3:38:07 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: bill1952

What race is he?


8 posted on 07/19/2008 3:39:15 PM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

His post looks like a rant that would end with a lie.


9 posted on 07/19/2008 3:40:53 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Lonely Bull
but I do generally hate generalizations

that may be noble and highminded and all but if you plan on going through life making decisions based on the exception to what you generally observe in folk's behavior then you better be pretty darn tough...and lucky.

10 posted on 07/19/2008 3:42:30 PM PDT by wardaddy (Myself and my ancestors take full responsibility for all racial discrimination here since 1607)
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To: allmost

Muahahah, no one sells out faster to white “Bimbo” pop culture than their daughters,..MUHAHAHAHA


11 posted on 07/19/2008 3:42:53 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: dennisw

If someone doesn’t like white Americans he can go back to whatever the f#@& hellhole he or his ancestors slimed out of and be pefeclty happy there, I’m sure.


12 posted on 07/19/2008 3:44:50 PM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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To: dennisw

whites today are totally mindless over race.

their redress behavior over race today will in the long run be more damaging to the West than racism towarfs non-whites ever was.

academia really brainwashed the eff out of most educated kids in the West under aged 40

it’s impossible, it’s all they know

there exceptions some have learned....most are Hasselbecks.


13 posted on 07/19/2008 3:45:07 PM PDT by wardaddy (Myself and my ancestors take full responsibility for all racial discrimination here since 1607)
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To: redstateconfidential

I’m not sure I get your point.


14 posted on 07/19/2008 3:45:23 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Lonely Bull

The poster is white grew up with Asians all his life. He is 34. Most of his friends are Asian today. He speaks Mandarin and Korean.

He says his Asian friends of today, who he chooses to associate with, are definitely not like the Asian Americans he is describing and criticizing


15 posted on 07/19/2008 3:51:14 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: wardaddy

Since you’re from/in/otherwise associating yourself with Tennessee, you must be...

I really mean statements like that, heh.

On this forum recently, I’ve seen people being surprised because they assumed that someone who comes from [insert state or part of a state here] would or wouldn’t support [insert candidate here]. Now, it’s not common in my experience, but it’s interesting enough for me to remember.


16 posted on 07/19/2008 4:06:09 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: dennisw
I won't bother going into how close I am to asian culture, but I do have quite of bit of exposure to it.

That each race/culture deep down inside has a natural tendency to consider itself superior should not surprise anyone (only in the west has an attempt been made to program this tendency out of the majority population).

I imagine there are a great many in minority communities in the US who are bitter to one degree or other for no other reason than they ARE a minority in what they see as an inferior foreign culture.

17 posted on 07/19/2008 4:17:09 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Lonely Bull
whattaya mean?

Typical Tennessean, I'm 7th Generation Mississippian

18 posted on 07/19/2008 4:25:41 PM PDT by wardaddy (Myself and my ancestors take full responsibility for all racial discrimination here since 1607)
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To: TalonDJ

Asian stuff ping.


19 posted on 07/19/2008 4:28:29 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I'm Right Guard, here to prevent B.O.)
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To: dennisw

Asians like America better than Europeans or Africans or South Americans.


20 posted on 07/19/2008 4:29:05 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: dennisw

I don’t think the author of that blog (that I love by the way) is Asian. White people do love Japan, not Korean or Chinese. White people love anime, sushi, japanese horror movies.

I am so sorry to the Koreans and Chinese, I am sure that there are white people who love your cultures too (I do, I love Amy Tan’s books), but for the most part, for right now, alot of young white people are into Japan. My neice is all about Japan. Anime got her started.


21 posted on 07/19/2008 4:54:46 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine

Count me in as an Asiaphile!


22 posted on 07/19/2008 5:04:29 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: allmost

He is white


23 posted on 07/19/2008 5:08:24 PM PDT by bill1952 (Obama-the only one who can make me vote McCain McCain-the only one who can make me stay at home)
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To: puroresu

Aren’t the traditions so fascinating? I think so. I have always loved how asian women looked (I’m female, not in a lesbian way though). I used to look at the photographs of girlfriends my dad had back in Thailand and I thought they were so beautiful. And the area looked pretty too (the country, not Bangkok) and that started me into researching the different countries in Asia. The pre-Communist China is amazing to me.


24 posted on 07/19/2008 5:09:00 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: bill1952

If he is he’s still a little sick in the head. I doubt the veracity of his statements, all of them.


25 posted on 07/19/2008 5:12:42 PM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

Salient paragraph:

“I can even speak Mandarin and Korean even though I am a white boy.”

Yes, he is a bit stupid.


26 posted on 07/19/2008 5:18:26 PM PDT by bill1952 (Obama-the only one who can make me vote McCain McCain-the only one who can make me stay at home)
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To: bill1952

It was typed yes. I read it. I’m not sure I should believe the statements made in the post. Any of them.


27 posted on 07/19/2008 5:21:03 PM PDT by allmost
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To: dennisw

I can tell you about Korean Japanphobia from somebody that’s surrounded in it. I’m a blackbelt in Taekwondo. From the first say you don a white belt to the day you either are on your deathbed or too old to do a kick, they drill you with Korean superiority and supremacism. Anything Japan related is buried.

Taekwondo was originally an art that can strongly trace its roots to Shotokan Karate. The forms look just like Shotokan, the moves are just like Shotokan. But you can’t really call it “Karate” in TKD circles. Why? Karate is a Japanese art, and TKD was formulated in Korea. Nevermind there are few if any differences between Shotokan and TKD. I can probably pick out 3 or 4, and I’ve been practicing for 4 years. (Shotokan doesn’t use as many high kicks as TKD)

Also, don’t you dare call kimbap “sushi” in a Korean restaurant. Nevermind one is a form of rice wrapped in seaweed and stuffed with fish, avocado or crustaceans and another is a form of rice wrapped in seaweed and stuffed with cooked food. It’s pretty much the same thing.

As for my martial arts, as soon as I get my full black belt (I’m only a junior), I’m planning on taking up another Korean art. Hwa Rang Do. At least they let me throw people around in that art.


28 posted on 07/19/2008 5:24:07 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (" ." - Barack Obama.)
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To: allmost
When it comes to the press, I understand your argument entirely.
29 posted on 07/19/2008 5:27:53 PM PDT by bill1952 (Obama-the only one who can make me vote McCain McCain-the only one who can make me stay at home)
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To: dennisw

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/interactive/la-et-stuff4-2008jul04,0,1438588.story


30 posted on 07/19/2008 8:30:41 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: autumnraine
I know that anime and Japanese horror films are very popular with younger people, but there's a lot to appreciate in a wide variety of Asian cinema. Many Americans think Asian cinema is limited to Godzilla type films (Japan) or martial arts films (Hong Kong). Certainly those have been major genres, but I don't think many people realize how many masterpieces of world cinema came out of Japan, especially during the heyday of the great directors such as Kurosawa, Ozu, Mizoguchi, Kobayashi, and others.

South Korea over the past decade or so has produced some amazing TV series. These series air throughout Asia and often blow away much of the trash permeating our airwaves.

China's film industry has been undergoing something of a renaissance over the past two decades, though it's also been held back by government censorship. Even with the restrictions, talented directors have found ways to get around the censorship at least part of the time. Plus, most storylines don't deal with issues related to the government, so there are still plenty of avenues for creativity. Zhang Yimou has gotten into trouble for a couple of his films (”Raise the Red Lantern” and “To Live”) but he's managed to create such an international following that he's weathered the storm and emerged as one of the greatest directors of all time.

And I'm in total agreement about the beauty of Asian ladies! Ziyi Zhang, Gong Li, Maggie Cheung, Gianna Jun, Takako Matsu, Tang Wei, Hye-Jin Han, Young-ae Lee....the list goes on!

31 posted on 07/19/2008 11:50:48 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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