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Marion Jones: Pardon me, Mr. President
N Y Daily News ^ | Saturday, July 19th 2008, 5:44 PM | BY TERI THOMPSON

Posted on 07/19/2008 4:03:53 PM PDT by Perdogg

Sent to jail by a judge who said he didn’t believe she had owned up to her involvement in steroids and a check-cashing scheme, track star Marion Jones has now turned to a different kind of judge - President Bush.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: athletes; bush; marionjones; pardon
ESPN stated that she wanted commutation. I think her jail sentence should be commuted but the community service stand. She's not a threat to society.
1 posted on 07/19/2008 4:03:53 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Jail time and community service are different, but both are government punishments. What’s your rationale?


2 posted on 07/19/2008 4:09:48 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: mdefranc
Because she pleaded guilty to lying about taking a drug. She has served jail time and she should do community service. She isn't a threat to society. Why do we need to housed her at tax payers expense at a halfway house, aka FMC Carswell for doing something essentially personal.
3 posted on 07/19/2008 4:15:00 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Bush wouldn’t pardon two heroes defending the sovereignty of the United States (Ramos and Compean) why does she think he’ll pardon her?


4 posted on 07/19/2008 4:25:38 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Perdogg
She looks innocent.


5 posted on 07/19/2008 4:27:21 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Perdogg
"She's not a threat to society."

Bull Squat!

The lying cheat wasn't jailed for being a threat to society.

She was jailed for lying under oath, cheating at the HIGHEST level of her sport - thus denying the rightful winners from receiving 5 Medals, 3 of them GOld by CHEATING and in effect STEALING the MILLIONS in endorsements from the rightful winners...

She in effect denied the RIGHTFUL winners of their glory, and the millions that came from endorsements - so she is a thief -- BIG TIME. Oh, and we mustn't forget -- she also practiced a check scheme to steal additional dollars..

It appears the skank hasn't worked a day of her life, after cheating her way into the endorsements and fees for racing. After burning through MILLIONS in just 7 years - she lost her $2.5 million home to foreclosure and other properties -- spending the rest on lawyer fees to keep her ass out of prison and trying to avoid paying her coach the $250K she OWED him...

She behaved as a skank and should be treated as a skank.. Her sentence wasn't as long as I would have given her - and she hasn't been required to REIMBURSE the rightful winner of the 5 medals -- including 3 Gold Medals the millions she made in endorsements.

The FULL measure of consequences should fall on this shallow and undeserving liar and thief..

6 posted on 07/19/2008 4:30:13 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Perdogg

Sorry, I’m bad at posing Socratic questions.

Let me be more direct: why is GOVERNMENT punishing her AT ALL? In free societies, wouldn’t that instead be the function of the relevant athletic organization?


7 posted on 07/19/2008 4:34:28 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: river rat

It is not up to the Federal Govt to enforce the rules and the regulation of IOC. I never said she should be pardoned and I never said she should not do community service. She has spent time in a joke of a facility at tax payer’s expense, which she will be released from com September. She will always have this record and she should serve a more useful purpose to society other than spending time at a federal medical facility. She is not a violent offender.


8 posted on 07/19/2008 4:35:21 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg
Jones is one of a record number of people who have applied for pardons and commutations from Bush:

Jones -- OK

Michael Milken, convicted on securities fraud charges in 1990 -- No

Randy Cunningham, -- OK

Edwin W. Edwards, a former Democratic governor of Louisiana -- No

John Walker Lindh -- Not even if Hell freezes over

9 posted on 07/19/2008 4:35:28 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: mdefranc

She did lie under oath which is serious. However, I think non violent criminals should not serve jail time but be gainfully employed to provided restitution to their victims and to help people society.


10 posted on 07/19/2008 4:37:25 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: mdefranc
why is GOVERNMENT punishing her AT ALL?

See post #6

11 posted on 07/19/2008 4:37:26 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: Perdogg

No jail for non violent offenders? So the public official who commits fraud gets a fine? The CEO who causes thousands of employees and shareholders millions of dollars due to his criminal acts gets no time? No way.


12 posted on 07/19/2008 4:41:50 PM PDT by free me
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To: Perdogg

Perhaps the Oympians who didn’t cheat, and lost to this cheat — should file claims they were denied their millions by the FRAUD perpetrated by Jones.
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http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/10/nike-puts-the-i.html

Fraud? Marion Jones endorsements are courtesy of anabolic steroids

Marion_jones_l Recent admitted steroid user Marion Jones is but one of the stable or current and former Nike endorsing athletes to use anabolic drugs to enhance their standing in the sports and endorsement world. Nike injected millions of dollars of endorsements into PED abusing athletes. Jones will return her 5 gold medals, but will not return the millions of Nike, Gatorade and other endorsement bucks she earned and squandered over the years.

Does the use of illegal drugs nullify Jones’ track wins beyond the 2000 Sydney Olympics? Do the millions of dollars of endorsements racked up by the disgraced Jones then represent fraud? Jones won races using PEDs; the tainted wins led to her fame in the corporate product world and to lucrative endorsement contracts. Doesn’t that appear to be fraud?

The other athletes Jones defeated would have a case against Jones too. Where is their prize money? Where are their juicy endorsement deals? The other female track stars found their endorsement balloons punctured by the sharp needle on the end of a steroid syringe.

In 2000, the New York Times trumpeted the success of the new breed of female athletes, who received endorsements by appealing to the general female consumers with dollars to spend. How many of those females would spend their dollars now identifying with a big time steroid cheater.

Using Marion Jones’ financial house of cards as an example, when a drug cheater immorally and illegally wins races, then receives endorsement dollars, should that situation be considered sports fraud? Here is the definition of fraud:

All multifarious means which human ingenuity can devise, and which are resorted to by one individual to get an advantage over another by false suggestions or suppression of the truth. It includes all surprises, tricks, cunning or dissembling, and any unfair way which another is cheated.

Source: Black’s Law Dictionary, 5th ed., by Henry Campbell Black, West Publishing Co., St. Paul, Minnesota, 1979.

Do current fraud laws cover the concept of sports law? Don’t know here; however the sports fans, the paying ticket holders, and the honest competitors deserve redress when one of the superstars uses cheating (PEDs) to secure their own unholy victories and to enhance their bloated financial status over their competitors.


13 posted on 07/19/2008 4:43:35 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

right, that’s a matter with civil, not criminal, courts.


14 posted on 07/19/2008 4:45:13 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: free me

They would be more beneficial to society doing other things than prison laundry and shooting hoop.


15 posted on 07/19/2008 4:46:36 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: river rat
She was jailed for lying under oath, cheating at the HIGHEST level of her sport

Was Bill Clinton jailed for lying under oath? His lying deeds were far greater than some game sport.

16 posted on 07/19/2008 4:48:47 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: Perdogg
You are neglecting to consider the deterrent effect. If the worst thing a person is facing is community service and restitution, I doubt they would be deterred from stealing millions, etc.
17 posted on 07/19/2008 4:53:00 PM PDT by free me
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To: Michael.SF.

If fraudulent actions have damaged organizations or individuals, let them bring private suit. Government involvement wastes taxpayer resources solely for reasons of envy.


18 posted on 07/19/2008 4:54:56 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: Perdogg
"It is not up to the Federal Govt to enforce the rules and the regulation of IOC."

WAKE UP - SMELL the Coffee.

The charges against her were for LYING UNDER OATH to two grand juries, one impaneled to investigate the BALCO "designer steroid" ring, and the other impaneled to investigate a check fraud ring involving many of the same parties from the BALCO case...........NOT breaking the rules of the IOC.

In my court, the skank would remain in jail until her "admirers" could raise the several million dollars it would take to compensate the TRUE winners of the medals this skank cheated to win.

The skank is NOT entitled to a "Pardon", "Commutation" or ANY reduction of her already silly sentence..

Her name should ALWAYS be smeared by her crimes...
The record books should be purged of her name.
The other Athletes should be compensated for her fraud.

19 posted on 07/19/2008 4:56:32 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
>The other Athletes should be compensated for her fraud.

How? She has no ability to repay them now, even if you could pin an equitable valuation on this.

Please don't suggest that I somehow compensate them.

20 posted on 07/19/2008 5:24:05 PM PDT by bill1952 (Obama-the only one who can make me vote McCain McCain-the only one who can make me stay at home)
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To: Perdogg
I think it is crazy that our tax money was wasted on prosecuting Ms. Jones. The USOC could have easily sanctioned her within the governing rules of her particular sport without the government having gotten involved in it.

Aren't there real criminals that deserve prosecution instead?

21 posted on 07/19/2008 5:25:37 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Perdogg

Unfortunately I don’t think she should be pardoned, but I also don’t think she should do time. She should do massive community service and clean up her life.


22 posted on 07/19/2008 5:28:26 PM PDT by moose2004 (Go Ahead, Make My Day)
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To: river rat
The entire BALCO investigation was nothing more than a huge waste of taxpayer dollars. I don't see doped up athletes going and committing violent crimes en masse against innocent bystanders. If these athletes suffer ill effects as a result of doping, then oh well, Darwin is at work.

I still believe that law enforcement should go after real criminals who actually pose a threat to the general public.

23 posted on 07/19/2008 5:28:29 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: politicalwit
"Was Bill Clinton jailed for lying under oath? His lying deeds were far greater than some game sport."

He was impeached by the House -- and had his ass saved by the Democrats and too many Republicans in the Senate..

That impeachment did enough damage to Clinton, considering he way ONLY lying about sex. Right?

This skanks cheating and subsequent lying about it -- sullied the Olympics and denied the rightful winners of EARNED glory and MILLIONS of dollars in endorsements.

24 posted on 07/19/2008 5:29:16 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

Wow! Lemme see if I understand you: ON NET, Marion Jones did worse damage to the Republic than Bill Clinton?


25 posted on 07/19/2008 5:42:17 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: river rat

At one point, this skank hired a Klintoon propagandist PR man, I’ve read (sorry, I forgot the details) to attack the reputations of motives of her accusers. Pardon her, shore!


26 posted on 07/19/2008 5:48:15 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: pnh102
"Aren't there real criminals that deserve prosecution instead?"

Why do you pose this as an either/or? It is not as though there was a murder or bank robbery that went unprosecuted so that they could bring Jones to justice.

27 posted on 07/19/2008 5:50:15 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mdefranc

No....that’s not what I posted..
Read more carefully...


28 posted on 07/19/2008 6:37:38 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

“It is not as though there was a murder or bank robbery that went unprosecuted so that they could bring Jones to justice.”
- JustaDumbBlonde

Really think so? Then you probably believe that government resources are costless, an idiot position.

If you’re so concerned about Jones’ inequities, in a truly free society you could contribute personally to the lawyers of those suing her. Would you?


29 posted on 07/19/2008 6:44:53 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: mdefranc
"Then you probably believe that government resources are costless,..."

No, I don't.

30 posted on 07/19/2008 6:48:55 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: pnh102
I suppose if one is comfortable with folks who cheat, lie to their fans and the Grand Jury and commit fraud — denying folks who “play by the rules” their fairly won rewards, then is was a waste of time to go after Olympic or Professional athletes who cheat or lie to Grand Juries....

Standards have been lowered enough....
We needn't lower them any further.

31 posted on 07/19/2008 7:09:29 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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That impeachment did enough damage to Clinton

What damage? He's making hundreds of millions of dollars a year in speaking fees and corporate kick-backs and gets VIP treatment wherever he goes. The taxpayer is still stuck with a lifetime salary and security and all of the other perks of a rock star.

No, Willie's lying was far worse than the athelete's lies. The cheating of an athelete is a civil matter, not a matter of Congress.

32 posted on 07/19/2008 7:22:53 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: Perdogg

What is this “check-cashing” scheme? Never heard of that against her.


33 posted on 07/19/2008 7:26:12 PM PDT by Mr. Pumblechook
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To: river rat
oh quiet......this woman has trained to be one of the best female athletes in the world, and the steroids helped her but the steroids didn't do the running, the lifting, the proper eating, the proper stretching, etc....

forgive her Mr. President and commute her sentence....

there must be a zillion more people in our country alone worthy of going to jail and having a felony on her record....a zillion...

34 posted on 07/19/2008 8:33:05 PM PDT by cherry
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To: politicalwit

Whatever floats your boat....

Just remember — Willy STILL has Hillary pulling his chain...
There aren’t enough millions to compensate for that sentence.

They MUST remain married to protect themselves from being called to testify against each other.....


35 posted on 07/19/2008 8:34:09 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: cherry
"oh quiet......snip........there must be a zillion more people in our country alone worthy of going to jail and having a felony on her record....a zillion...

Oh, quiet? -- Are you going to give me a rational reason for suppressing my freedom of opinion? Or is this turning into a "turn the black girl loose" because "there's already too many black girls in prison" discussion? You must have been sneaking into the Kool-aid!

She is a perjurer - a liar - a fraud - and a thief - and a cheat in the most prestigious sports arena!.
She IS a self confessed Felon..
Lets not forget about the check fraud scheme....
Lets not forget she burned through MILLIONS that were honestly meant for those who did not cheat.

But, you're close about the "zillion" people worthy of jail and having a felony on her record -- and MANY of them are already in PRISON... That's exactly who lives there. And, she rightfully belongs there with them....

36 posted on 07/19/2008 10:00:25 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: cherry

Before the sentencing, Jones broke down as she asked Judge Karas not to send her to prison. “I plead with you to alleviate the situation by not separating me from my boys, even for a short period of time,” she said.

But Karas noted that “athletes in society ... serve as role models to children around the world. When there is a widespread level of cheating, it sends all the wrong messages.”

“People live with their choices,” he added, “and the choice not to play by the rules has been compounded by the choice to break the law.”
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Marion Jones’ Teammates Paying for Her Crime
Posted Apr 11, 08 9:42 AM CDT in Sports

(Newser) – The consequences of Marion Jones’ doping offenses reached further yesterday when the International Olympic Committee laid down the law and stripped her former relay teammates of their medals—this after Jones’ was stripped of hers late last year. The runners, with Jones, won gold in the 4x400-meter relay and bronze in the 400 relay at the 2000 Olympic Games.

“The decision was based on the fact that they were part of a team, that Marion Jones was disqualified from the Sydney Games due to her own admission that she was doping during those games,” said IOC spokeswoman Giselle Davies. The next IOC board meeting is this June in Athens, where the matter will likely be discussed further.
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On the check fraud charge:

But the real break in the case against her came because of a check fraud ring. Marion’s ex-boyfriend, Tim Montgomery was the first of the two to be caught partaking in the check forgery scheme. They became involved in 2005, when a drug dealer told them they could make easy money by cashing some big checks for some of his associates. Montgomery made at least $20,000 from cashing these checks, which turned out to be from a ring of check counterfeiters.

Montgomery recruited others to help cash the checks, including his track coach Steve Riddick and his agent Charles Wells. Marion deposited a $25,000 check into her bank account. The check fraud scheme was quickly discovered by bank investigators.

But it looked at first like Marion might escape prosecution. When criminal charges were filed against Montgomery and several others, Marion Jones was not named. Her name was even excluded from court records, and she was just referred to as a “close associate of Timothy Montgomery.”

Montgomery pleaded guilty to criminal conspiracy, and could get up to three years in prison. Wells pleaded guilty to bank fraud. Riddick was convicted of conspiracy, bank fraud and money laundering in May. Marion’s time finally came, and the result was Friday’s guilty plea.

Marion’s guilty plea could get her a maximum of 10 years in prison, 6 years on parole, and $500,000 in fines. However, the prosecutors have agreed to a sentencing agreement that would mean Jones would serve zero to six months in jail. The judge isn’t required to abide by the agreement, though.

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In my opinion - Jones got off too easy...
The skank got the minimum sentence.

It seems she was to arrogant to ever think about getting a job - or doing ANYTHING honest...
She apparently lied and cheated everyone.
Even her teammates will lose THEIR medals because Jones as a relay team member CHEATED.


37 posted on 07/19/2008 10:15:40 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

While I understand that lying under oath is a serious crime, I believe that the circumstances surrounding the crime, i.e., Ms. Jones’ drug use, did not merit a grand jury investigation, a trial, or incarceration. She should have been punished by the governing body of her particular sport and that should have been the end of it.


38 posted on 07/20/2008 2:28:24 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: pnh102

Well, clearly we disagree over the severity of CHEATING in an OLYMPIC sport -— involving HONOR among AMATEURS...in the spirit of the original Greek games..

The games have already been bastardized by commercial interests — lets not compound the problem by “forgiving” cheats.

To forgive her - would be another lowering of standards to include those who don’t belong in the sport or out of prison. The OIC decided she SHOULD be punished and ordered the return of all medals from Jones and the TEAM members who ran with her.... She has also been ordered to return all prize money....

THEN — how about the Check Scam to which this skank also pleaded guilty?
Should she avoid prison for stealing from folks?

First, she steals glory and millions in endorsements from the TRUE winners of the Medals -— then, still too lazy or arrogant to get a job, she steals directly from strangers with her check scam.

Sorry......She is a no class skank and has lived far above her true station in life. A leach.... A thief...and a Liar before a Federal Grand Jury.


39 posted on 07/20/2008 3:52:19 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
Well, clearly we disagree over the severity of CHEATING in an OLYMPIC sport ...

I honestly could not care less about people who cheat at privately-sanctioned sporting events, at least in the sense that the government should be the supreme governing body for any major sport. There is already a private governing body for Ms. Jones' sport, and Ms. Jones should have been punished for cheating by that authority alone without the government getting involved.

THEN — how about the Check Scam to which this skank also pleaded guilty?

Since that's a real crime with actual victims, then by all means she should be punished by the government for this crime. But cheating at sports? Sure it is dishonorable, but the government, in my opinion, has more important things to deal with than that.

40 posted on 07/20/2008 6:49:17 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: pnh102

Let me remind you:

The OIC punished Jones - by demanding the return of Medals and “prize money”...

The Feds slapped her ass — but NOT for cheating.
The Feds sentenced her for LYING to a Federal Grand Jury investigating illegal activity: Drugged “sports heroes”.... and the Check Scam.

This skank is owed NOTHING in the way of compassion....


41 posted on 07/20/2008 9:45:39 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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