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Dinosaur supertree unveils evolution secrets
In The News ^ | 23 Jul 2008

Posted on 07/23/2008 6:52:40 AM PDT by Soliton

A dinosaur 'supertree' has been created that provides the most comprehensive picture ever produced of how dinosaurs evolved.

The tree shows the most likely pattern of evolution for 440 of the 600 known species of dinosaur and allows scientists to look for unusual patterns across the whole range of dinosaurs for the first time.

A study published today in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B claims the picture challenges opinions on how quickly dinosaurs expanded during the last 50 million years of their existence.

It has long been debated whether dinosaurs were part of the 'terrestrial revolution' that occurred some 100 million years ago during the Cretaceous period when birds, mammals, flowering plants, insects and reptiles underwent a rapid expansion.

But the supertree now suggests that dinosaurs were not expanding as actively as thought and that the apparent explosion of dinosaur diversity may be largely explained by a process known as 'sampling bias'.

The results show that all the bursts of diversification happened in the first 50 million years of the evolution of dinosaurs.

(Excerpt) Read more at inthenews.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: chicxulub; evolution

1 posted on 07/23/2008 6:52:40 AM PDT by Soliton
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2nd yawwwwwn, the old “the more we yell and the louder we yell, the more we hope folks will fall for it....”


2 posted on 07/23/2008 7:05:44 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Soliton
The results show that all the bursts of diversification happened in the first 50 million years of the evolution of dinosaurs.

Later expansions were not distinguishable from normal rates. This suggests dinosaurs did not take advantage of the new food supplies available during the Cretaceous terrestrial revolution - such as flowering plants, lizards, snakes, birds and mammals.

Like the Cambrian Explosion, evolution seems to occur at phenomenal rates very early, and then settle down dramatically. Is there any explanation? It seems odd. Also, wouldn't new food supplies seem to be a likely cause of specialization/speciation? But apparently it didn't work that way.

It all seems kind of random.

3 posted on 07/23/2008 7:07:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: raygunfan
They just assume dinosaurs evolved, and then proceed from that assumption. I can play the same game with kitchen silverware or cars or whatever. Some arrangements of tableware evolution will be less parsimonious than others, and one arrangement will involve the least parsimony. But it will have nothing to do with the actual creation of the utensils.

The overall lack of evolutionary change in dinosaur fossils, like everything else, is overwhelming. You can track a few small-scale changes, but overall the fossil record very clearly shows, not one overarching tree of life, but a forest of smaller trees without any reasonable linkages. Even when they claim to have found a significant transition it almost invariably has distinctive characteristics that cause the reporting scientists to admit it must have been a 'side branch' to the 'actual' common ancestor. In other words, the trunk and main limbs of the monophyletic evolutionary tree is perpetually missing.

4 posted on 07/23/2008 7:35:26 AM PDT by Liberty1970
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To: ClearCase_guy

Like the Cambrian Explosion, evolution seems to occur at phenomenal rates very early, and then settle down dramatically. Is there any explanation? It seems odd. Also, wouldn’t new food supplies seem to be a likely cause of specialization/speciation? But apparently it didn’t work that way.
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What happened?

An extra terrestrial civilization is on possible answer. Another would come if they have a copy of the bible. God himself who walked the earth in the form of his son Jesus. Jesus make all things possible to those who believe.


5 posted on 07/23/2008 7:38:37 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Soliton
Is this science or is it speculation?

The tree shows the most likely pattern

6 posted on 07/23/2008 8:20:12 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
Is this science or is it speculation?

A lack of metaphysical certitude ought not be construed as some sort of limitation of science. That's its strength.

Science follows the data. Nothing more.

7 posted on 07/23/2008 8:54:35 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: DManA
Is this science or is it speculation?

Mostly the former, some of the latter

8 posted on 07/23/2008 8:55:30 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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mostly the latter, some of the former


9 posted on 07/23/2008 11:26:04 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: highball
Science follows the data. Nothing more.

Exactly why this study is not scientific.

It seems a pity to go through all of this work when an upheaval is only one fossil find away.
10 posted on 07/23/2008 12:37:21 PM PDT by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Sopater
I haven't read this study, so I can't comment on it. But this:
It seems a pity to go through all of this work when an upheaval is only one fossil find away.

Then you might as well toss out all scientific knowledge. Falsifiability is an essential characteristic of science.

Germ Theory is "only one find away" from an upheaval as well. Until then, I'll keep using antibiotics.

11 posted on 07/23/2008 1:27:57 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball
Then you might as well toss out all scientific knowledge. Falsifiability is an essential characteristic of science.

You're confusing the facts with the fiction. Scientific knowledge is "known". That's where the word "knoledge" comes from.

This "Dinosaur supertree" is not, nor can it ever be, scientifically "known" to be factual.

Germ theory on the other hand, can be tested real-time.
12 posted on 07/23/2008 2:01:27 PM PDT by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Sopater
You were the one who originally said:
It seems a pity to go through all of this work when an upheaval is only one fossil find away.

Falsifiability is an essential part of a scientific theory, including germ theory.

Evolutionary theory is built on a foundation every bit as strong as that of germ theory. One discovery to the contrary would cast doubt on either one, as is true of all scientific theories. That doesn't make either less true.

13 posted on 07/24/2008 9:07:11 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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