Posted on 07/23/2008 4:11:44 PM PDT by Soliton
Creationism is much more specific and much less plausible. Its central claim is that the precise mode of creation has been revealed in the Bible, and follows the pattern set out in the first chapter of Genesis. In thus identifying God’s action with a particular series of events and a particular timetable, rather than as the ultimate mystery underlying all reality, it lays itself open to the possibility of direct conflict with alternative scientific explanations. The main motive for risking this potential conflict has been to uphold belief in the verbal inerrancy of the Bible, and the literal interpretation of its statements about creation, which most mainstream theologians and biblical scholars have long read as myth, or poetry, or doctrine, rather than as history.
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Hypothesize then read Darwin and use him as your first test case.
Maybe not philosophically, but then all philosophy is simply opinion. It can be empirically. Scientific method produces results, it has utility, it works.
Rand was NUTS
How will you know if they are real?
Depends on who you ask...
Cheers!
Leave Huxley out of this!
Great allusion pick up except in this case I was responding to his posting a Vedic creation story.
“Soma - Vedas. In the Vedas, or Vedic scriptures, Soma is portrayed as sacred and as a god (deva). The god is the plant and the drink; there is no difference. The plant is the god and the drink is the god and the plant is the drink — they are all three the same. Soma is similar to Greek ambrosia (cognate to amrita); it is what the gods drink, and what made them deities. Indra and Agni are known for drinking massive amounts of Soma. Mortals also drink it, giving access to the divine.”
This is what I was alluding to and where Huxley probably got the idea.
Cheers!
But since there was an atheist stream in the Huxley line, and you were indirectly inveighing against something typically associated with Christianity, I thought I'd throw in the reference.
I tend towards bad puns and wordplay.
Cheers!
A pun spelled backward is a "nup" and anup is anup!
Nonsense. I would be willing to hypothesize that most scientists just want to figure out how things work.
R. Gordon Wasson made a good case for the Amanita muscaria mushroom being Soma.
I lived in Scotland and they grew in my yard. Pretty, but dangerous.
Philosophy is just rationalized religion at worst, or at best, rationalism without evidence. I have accepted scientific method as the foundation of my epistimology, sorry!
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I would have thought that some readings on the philosophy of science would be of some interest to you. Some fascinating articles I read in my undergrad days, specifically dealing with physical manifestations of ‘mental’ events.
So is the questions of God and evolution are probably
1. if things evolve God did not create
2. Since God did not create things evolve
What does it mean when people start stating conclusions and submitting that they are the questions?
I have dozens of books on the subject.
It was at one point, but I grew tired of it. There was philosophical discussions for two thousand years as to whether matter is atomic in nature or not. There were great minds on both sides. It took Boyle and a J shaped piece of glass to provide the first evidence. Philosophical arguments are stillborn hypotheses. Science is the answer to advancing our knowledge of the universe.
Can’t argue that the philosophy of science can get a bit tedious after a while ... and won’t argue that science is going to lead us to knowledge of our universe. I would disagree insofar as you suggest that philosophical pursuits cannot advance human knowledge (there being to knowledge than just knowledge of our universe). A very small point in the overall scheme of things.
I would be willing to hypothesize that (many of Soliton’s threads) do not seek answers of science but seek to disprove God.
I just ‘evolved’ your comments slightly....
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