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Rock solid proof?
The Weatherford Democrat ^ | David May

Posted on 07/28/2008 2:17:21 PM PDT by Soliton

The limestone contains two distinct prints — one of a human footprint and one belonging to a dinosaur. The significance of the cement-hard fossil is it shows the dinosaur print partially over and intersecting the human print. In other words, the stone’s impressions indicate the human stepped first, the dinosaur second.

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KEYWORDS: creationism; crevo; evolution; godsgravesglyphs
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A little gift to my creationis friends.

"Baugh said he knows there are and will be skeptics, especially since the find is very recent and so far has been tested only in a medical laboratory by a medical doctor. Still, he said he is so confident in the authenticity of the specimen he is ready to put his reputation entirely on the line. He said he is willing put the rock to any non-destructive tests."

1 posted on 07/28/2008 2:17:21 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton

Is it not possible to be a creationist, IOW believing that God created the heavens and the earth, AND ALSO believe that the earth is many billions of years old?

What do the constraints of time mean to the One who created time itself?


2 posted on 07/28/2008 2:21:15 PM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: Grunthor

IMHO, the scriptures themselves show that God created the heavens and the earth in a mature state, which naturally is going to measure billions of years old.


3 posted on 07/28/2008 2:25:02 PM PDT by DonaldC
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To: Grunthor
Sheesh. Thats nothing..... I saw a Yeti wearing a bikini riding the Loch Ness Monster, chasing Big Foot in my back yard over the weekend.
4 posted on 07/28/2008 2:25:02 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes)
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To: Soliton

5 posted on 07/28/2008 2:25:02 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Soliton
Another Paluxy River footprint?

Haven't read anything specific about this new one, but here is an analysis of the previous claims:

On the Heels of Dinosaurs

From that article:

Conclusions

Claims of human tracks occurring alongside dinosaur tracks in Texas have not stood up to close scientific scrutiny, and in recent years have been largely abandoned even by most creationists. Although genuine dinosaur tracks are abundant in Texas, the alleged Paluxy "man tracks" involve a variety of misidentified phenomena. The most celebrated "man tracks" on the Taylor Site are forms of "metatarsal" dinosaur tracks--made by dinosaurs which, at least at times, made elongate prints by impressing their metatarsi (soles and heels) as they walked, rather than walking on their toes only. When the digit marks on such elongate/metatarsal tracks are subdued by sediment infilling, mud- collapse, erosion, or a combination of factors, the metatarsal segment at the rear often presents an oblong shape that roughly resembles a large human footprint. Other alleged "man tracks" include erosional features and indistinct markings of uncertain origin, some of which were enhanced with water or oil at times to appear more human, or even physically altered in some cases. A smaller number of "man tracks" are outright carvings (mostly on loose blocks of rock). Claims of other "out of order" fossils from Texas and elsewhere are also lacking in scientific support.


6 posted on 07/28/2008 2:27:47 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
WOW! If true.

This would push back the existence of humanoids in the Americas back millions of years. (or the existence of dinosaurs in the Americas up several million years) I visited Dinosaur Valley state park about 2 months ago. Several million years ago, it was ocean front.

7 posted on 07/28/2008 2:28:52 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Soliton

I’m sure they’ll discover the human footprint was left by a member of the Piltdown Man clan.


8 posted on 07/28/2008 2:30:19 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Grunthor
What do the constraints of time mean to the One who created time itself?

That is a nice philosophical position, but the Bible is either true or not. It says six days, not six indeterminate periods of time. The fossil record does not support the order or chronology of Genesis.

9 posted on 07/28/2008 2:30:30 PM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton

are you so narrow minded that you think that if there is evolution there could be no creation?

then how did the sun and moon evolve and from what?

if you are familar with Occam’s razor isn’t the most logical explanation that somehow the universe was CREATED by a big bang or chance or a sumpreme being whatever and then life has evoled since?


10 posted on 07/28/2008 2:30:41 PM PDT by edzo4
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Sheesh. Thats nothing..... I saw a Yeti wearing a bikini riding the Loch Ness Monster, chasing Big Foot in my back yard over the weekend.

Happens every day. Now, if you'd seen the Yeti in a Speedo then that would have been out of the ordinary.

11 posted on 07/28/2008 2:31:16 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Coyoteman
Another Paluxy River footprint?

Yes, it is another episode of Lying for God.

12 posted on 07/28/2008 2:32:32 PM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton

That is a nice philosophical position, but the Bible is either true or not. It says six days, not six indeterminate periods of time. The fossil record does not support the order or chronology of Genesis.


Is Genesis written from God’s perspective or man’s perspective? Remember time is relative to the perspective of the observer.


13 posted on 07/28/2008 2:33:14 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: Soliton

The general flow seems to match evolution theory, where does it differ?


14 posted on 07/28/2008 2:33:22 PM PDT by DonaldC
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Bartender, I’ll have what she’s having...


15 posted on 07/28/2008 2:34:59 PM PDT by piytar
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To: pabianice

Good call on the image. If I may second, third, and fourth the sentiment. Calling the loony tunes school board in Kansas....

The FSM will not be pleased. He actually created the prints with his noodly appendages.


16 posted on 07/28/2008 2:35:07 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes)
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To: piytar

Me or the Yeti ;-P and I am 100% male.... and I was about to crack open a home brew.


17 posted on 07/28/2008 2:36:56 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes)
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To: Soliton

There are numerous images of easily recognized dinosaur types in American Indian petroglyphs and Indian oral traditions speak of Indian ancestors dealing with dinosaurs on a regular basis. Lewis and Clarke noted that their Indian guides were in mortal terror of Mishipishu (stegosaur) glyphs around the Mississippi river.


18 posted on 07/28/2008 2:37:06 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Bernard Marx
I’m sure they’ll discover the human footprint was left by a member of the Piltdown Man clan.

Wasn't he an original member of the Stones?

19 posted on 07/28/2008 2:37:18 PM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Coyoteman

Sorry, I fail to see the point. Are you saying this is a false claim because previous claims have been argued away? Frankly I don’t understand this paragraph as I am not a “jargonator” as most pseudo-scientists like paleontologists are.

I just don’t buy the evolution stuff. They seem to rely on such logical contortions combined with illogical contortions to arrive at conclusions that cannot possbly be verified. Too much for my simple brain to accept, I suppose.


20 posted on 07/28/2008 2:40:22 PM PDT by sleepy_hollow
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To: DonaldC

He created the earth before He created the stars.

He creates birds and fish on the same day.

Then He created Man the same day as reptiles.


21 posted on 07/28/2008 2:41:58 PM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: Soliton

Thanks for the reply.

Science assumes that the stars came first, be truly the rock on which we now sit could have come first, science does not know for certain. The Bible also says fish were created before the birds, as science speculates. It goes on to say that man was the last thing created, after every other land animal. All this fits broadly in the order proposed by evolutionists.

Remember the text is written to a total non-science person/culture, so I wouldn’t expect it to go into details that today’s various scientific disciplines are attempting to convey. I’m just sayin the general flow is there.


22 posted on 07/28/2008 2:48:57 PM PDT by DonaldC
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To: DonaldC
Science assumes that the stars came first, be truly the rock on which we now sit could have come first, science does not know for certain.

We know absolutely that stars existed before the earth. Most of the elements on earth were created in stars before the earth formed. The reason it formed was because of the gravitational attraction of the Sun which is also a star.

23 posted on 07/28/2008 2:53:58 PM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: wendy1946; jeddavis
There are numerous images of easily recognized dinosaur types in American Indian petroglyphs and Indian oral traditions speak of Indian ancestors dealing with dinosaurs on a regular basis. Lewis and Clarke noted that their Indian guides were in mortal terror of Mishipishu (stegosaur) glyphs around the Mississippi river.

How about this one? What do you make of it?

Proves ancient astronauts, eh?


(Rorschach did not live in vain.)

24 posted on 07/28/2008 2:59:04 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Soliton
"dinosaur print partially over and intersecting the human print"

The big question is, did the guy who was being stalked by the dino get eaten?

25 posted on 07/28/2008 2:59:32 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith

If he was conservative, he turned around, emptied the clip and enjoyed a week long feast...hehehe


26 posted on 07/28/2008 3:00:56 PM PDT by DonaldC
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To: Grunthor
What do the constraints of time mean to the One who created time itself?

Exactly. As the old argument says, "How long was a day when all was created by Him?"

27 posted on 07/28/2008 3:07:12 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: Soliton

“...he is ready to put his entire reputation the line.”

And what reputation is that???


28 posted on 07/28/2008 3:09:49 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Soliton
Wasn't he an original member of the Stones?

No, they carbon-dated Keith Richards recently and he's older.

29 posted on 07/28/2008 3:11:11 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Grunthor

Yes, you can be both.

It’s called “Old Earth” creationism. Then you can be unpopular with both the atheist/evolutionist crowd AND the “New World” creationists.


30 posted on 07/28/2008 3:19:00 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: Rippin

Do you read and write ancient Greek and several other old languages?


31 posted on 07/28/2008 3:19:58 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: Soliton; SunkenCiv

Dino was probably hunting supper.


32 posted on 07/28/2008 3:20:13 PM PDT by wildbill ( FR---changing history by erasing it from memory.)
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To: Grunthor

Anything is possible. That is a narrow minded view. What makes you think we have had all truths revealed to us?


33 posted on 07/28/2008 3:22:07 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: Coyoteman

ancient Tivo.


34 posted on 07/28/2008 3:24:16 PM PDT by sappy
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To: Soliton
Pretty amazing if authentic!


35 posted on 07/28/2008 3:58:01 PM PDT by Bommer (A Third Party can win when Republicans and Democraps stand for the same thing!)
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To: wildbill

Human had his pet dino out for a walk after supper. ;’)


36 posted on 07/28/2008 3:58:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Bommer
So....a big turkey crossed paths with a kid.

What's the big deal?

37 posted on 07/28/2008 4:01:50 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I am the great OzBama..............Don't look behind the curtain.)
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38 posted on 07/28/2008 4:02:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Grunthor

Well said.


39 posted on 07/28/2008 4:06:43 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: Coyoteman; SunkenCiv
Well, I for one believe the claims. I've seen pictures of Victoria Vetri and Raquel Welch with dinosaurs. Lucky dinos.
40 posted on 07/28/2008 4:07:54 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Let me guess. The battery in you camera was dead...


41 posted on 07/28/2008 4:12:25 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: Grunthor

Best post on this topic that I’ve seen yet.


42 posted on 07/28/2008 4:15:14 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The road to hell is paved with the stones of pragmatism.)
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To: Soliton
It says six days, not six indeterminate periods of time.

Genesis was written in Hebrew and the word for "day" is "yowm" which means "time period".

Besides, the bible is written in parables...Jesus speaking:

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:

When you read Revelation and you see phrases like "one hour with the beast", do you really think it's speaking of one literal hour?

43 posted on 07/28/2008 4:19:24 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Soliton

The Bible was written for humans.

Do you reallllllly think we could understand at the level of Truth where God operates?

When your 8 year old wants to know where babies come from, how much Truth do you tell? No more than they need to know at that time, and that not in graphic terms.

The Bible walks a similar path. Enough Truth so we have a rudimentary understanding of the basics, not so much that we are overwhelmed or terrified by it.

And hopefully, like your eight year old, we’ll figure out the finer points at our own pace and as we need them.


44 posted on 07/28/2008 4:22:25 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: Grunthor
Is it not possible to be a creationist, IOW believing that God created the heavens and the earth, AND ALSO believe that the earth is many billions of years old?

Yes. After all, how long is a day before days were established?

45 posted on 07/28/2008 4:23:07 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: piytar

Pssssst! It’s a he...


46 posted on 07/28/2008 4:23:45 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: Captain Rhino

“Then you can be unpopular with both the atheist/evolutionist crowd AND the “New World” creationists.”

(sigh) I guess I will just have to find a way to get by being unpopular, lol.


47 posted on 07/28/2008 4:26:12 PM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: SunkenCiv

the reason footsteps with dino tracks are so rare...

48 posted on 07/28/2008 4:26:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Coyoteman
Proves ancient astronauts, eh?

I don't see how Tivo man proves ancient astronauts...

49 posted on 07/28/2008 4:27:19 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: freeplancer

“That is a narrow minded view.”

Actually, given the other arguments on the subject I believe my point of view to be anything BUT narrow minded.

“What makes you think we have had all truths revealed to us?”

Where did I post anything of the sort?


50 posted on 07/28/2008 4:27:57 PM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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