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Microsoft's plans for post-Windows OS revealed
SDTimes.com ^ | July 29, 2008 | David Worthington

Posted on 07/31/2008 10:24:16 AM PDT by bamahead

Microsoft is incubating a componentized non-Windows operating system known as Midori, which is being architected from the ground up to tackle challenges that Redmond has determined cannot be met by simply evolving its existing technology.

Midori is an offshoot of Microsoft Research’s Singularity operating system, the tools and libraries of which are completely managed code. Midori is designed to run directly on native hardware (x86, x64, ARM), be hosted on the Windows Hyper-V hypervisor, or even be hosted by a Windows process.

According to published reports, Eric Rudder, senior vice president for technical strategy at Microsoft and an alumnus of Bill Gates' technical staff, is heading up the effort. Rudder served as senior vice president of Microsoft’s Servers and Tools group until 2005. A Microsoft spokesperson refused comment.

Building Midori from the ground up to be connected underscores how much computing has changed since Microsoft’s engineers first designed Windows; there was no Internet as we understand it today, the PC was the user’s sole device and concurrency was a research topic.

According to the documentation, Midori will be built with an asynchronous-only architecture that is built for task concurrency and parallel use of local and distributed resources, with a distributed component-based and data-driven application model, and dynamic management of power and other resources.

The Midori documents foresee applications running across a multitude of topologies, ranging from client-server and multi-tier deployments to peer-to-peer at the edge, and in the cloud data center. Those topologies form a heterogeneous mesh where capabilities can exist at separate places.

In order to efficiently distribute applications across nodes, Midori will introduce a higher-level application model that abstracts the details of physical machines and processors. The model will be consistent for both the distributed and local concurrency layers, and it is internally known as Asynchronous Promise Architecture.

(Excerpt) Read more at sdtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: microsoft; midori; tech; windows

1 posted on 07/31/2008 10:24:17 AM PDT by bamahead
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To: ShadowAce

ping


2 posted on 07/31/2008 10:24:39 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

Translated into English, does that mean it won’t be a bloated cow of an operating system like Vista?

}:-)4


3 posted on 07/31/2008 10:26:07 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: bamahead

over 95% of desktop PC computing power is sitting there unused most of the time

if we could harness just a percentage of it in a networked environment it would be huge


4 posted on 07/31/2008 10:27:46 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

5 posted on 07/31/2008 10:28:13 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Moose4

There’s no telling, depends on how much code Mickeysoft plans to rip from open source OS’s :)


6 posted on 07/31/2008 10:28:19 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Mr. K
over 95% of desktop PC computing power is sitting there unused most of the time

if we could harness just a percentage of it in a networked environment it would be huge

Done already. The criminals are way ahead of you.

7 posted on 07/31/2008 10:30:48 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: bamahead
...or they could just convert to OSX, like their customers.

*quietly tip-toeing away*...

8 posted on 07/31/2008 10:33:27 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: bamahead
since Microsoft’s engineers first designed Windows
Designed? IIRC, it was stolen leveraged from Apple's OS.
9 posted on 07/31/2008 10:33:58 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: bamahead
distributed component-based and data-driven application model

Translation:

Use of OS for a month: $19.95
Use of Office for a month: $29.95
Use of (INSERT YOUR MISSION CRITICAL BUSINESS APPLICATION HERE): $How much you got?

Nice data you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.

10 posted on 07/31/2008 10:34:20 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

All the big guys are headed to an SOA model, because they’re watching IBM make money hand over fist doing it.

One day, that probably will make it to the consumer level...sad to say. Then it will be like dealing with the cable company.


11 posted on 07/31/2008 10:41:48 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Moose4

I don’t care what technology it uses, if it’s from Microsoft it’s sure to be slow and defective. I remember how fast DOS used to run when the 386 25Mhz machines came out.


12 posted on 07/31/2008 10:42:08 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: bamahead
Actually, Midori can be quite tasty

So, who's imbibing - the engineers creating it or the consumer after they purchase it?

13 posted on 07/31/2008 10:48:54 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: bamahead
All the big guys are headed to an SOA model, because they’re watching IBM make money hand over fist doing it.

IBM is the master of the pay-as-you-go model in the enterprise.

Microsoft is not, and has never been, a major player in the enterprise.

Microsoft makes consumer-grade software.

IBM doesn't even try to push pay-as-you-go to the corporate desktop because it's a loser. One size does not fit all when it comes to the end user.

But that won't stop Microsoft. They'll plow headlong into this idea that they can get back control of every desktop PC.

The thought of being paid every month for the same software simply has too much of an attraction for the bean counters at One Microsoft Way.

14 posted on 07/31/2008 10:51:29 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: bamahead; ShadowAce; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Swordmaker; N3WBI3
Microsoft is incubating a componentized non-Windows operating system known as Midori, which is being architected from the ground up to tackle challenges that Redmond has determined cannot be met by simply evolving its existing technology.

About damn time. It only took 'em 20 or so years to figure out the need.

15 posted on 07/31/2008 10:52:56 AM PDT by martin_fierro (FREE LAZZY, YOU BASTARDS!)
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To: martin_fierro
About damn time. It only took 'em 20 or so years to figure out the need.

Don't be too hasty in praising this move. They made the same claim with Longhorn/Vista also. Look how that turned out...

16 posted on 07/31/2008 10:54:51 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: bamahead

Cool. I did not understand a word of this.


17 posted on 07/31/2008 10:59:35 AM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: Moose4
Translated into English, does that mean it won’t be a bloated cow of an operating system like Vista?

Yes. It sounds pretty impressive from a technical standpoint.

18 posted on 07/31/2008 11:05:37 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Knitebane

They may try to ‘force’ the market down this road. If they do it will fail, and you’ll see a tech revolt that will make the Vista uprising look like a typical day on Jerry Springer.

Developers and consumers will sour to their new ‘platform’, particularly the developers if it requires a full code rework. And with most of the open source OS’s supporting Windows binaries in some form or fashion, people could flock away in droves.


19 posted on 07/31/2008 11:13:11 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: antiRepublicrat

“Yes. It sounds pretty impressive from a technical standpoint.”

OS/2 did all this stuff 20+ years ago - multitasking, multi-threading, Object Orientation, ... OS/2 was designed “from the ground up.” But with the media’s help, Gates was able to patch and modify his DOS shell (Windows) to convince users that it was a modern PC OS.


20 posted on 07/31/2008 11:18:10 AM PDT by eCSMaster
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To: null and void
...or they could just convert to OSX, like their customers.

Might be their best move. Regardless, they are going to need to bite the bullet, undertake the ground-up OS redesign that Apple did for OS/X, and tell Grandma and the big corporations that their Windows 95-era apps just aren't going to work any more. ;)

21 posted on 07/31/2008 11:18:20 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: eCSMaster
Except for OS/2's single messaging queue that let one bad application lock up the system, just like DOS. ;)

OS/2 was exactly what you would expect a desktop OS designed by veteran IBM mainframe systems programmers to be - perfectly safe because it couldn't actually run any of those pesky and dangerous applications users needed to operate their businesses. Where it ran dedicated, limited apps like ATMs it was fairly successful - as a user desktop it was a disaster.

IBM made the opposite mistake from Microsoft - supporting nothing instead of supporting everything - and OS/2 crashed and burned a lot sooner because of it. Vista shows the folly of the opposite extreme, but Microsoft has made a whole lot of money in the interim.

22 posted on 07/31/2008 11:27:02 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: bamahead

Microsoft has gotten a serious beat down by Apple. Seems they are the last to know though. They need some innovative, new leadership. They have been on creative & innovative life support for well, well over a decade.


23 posted on 07/31/2008 11:51:30 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: bamahead
The Midori documents foresee applications running across a multitude of topologies, ranging from client-server and multi-tier deployments to peer-to-peer at the edge, and in the cloud data center. Those topologies form a heterogeneous mesh where capabilities can exist at separate places.

Jeez, is this the true article source? :)

24 posted on 07/31/2008 11:55:14 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (The McCainiac's creed: Death to America by a thousand cuts)
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To: KosmicKitty
Actually, Midori can be quite tasty

Yup:


25 posted on 07/31/2008 11:57:00 AM PDT by Grut
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To: bamahead

Wonder if it will similar to LINUX - I will be converting all of my computers (current count is 6) to LINUX - much more friendly and cheaper to run (of course I used to be a UNIX admin)


26 posted on 07/31/2008 12:00:41 PM PDT by Core_Conservative (Proud to be "The self-righteous, gun-totin, military lovin, abortion-hatin, gay-loathin'...")
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To: Moose4
Translated into English, does that mean it won’t be a bloated cow of an operating system like Vista?

It means you'll never see it at home.

27 posted on 07/31/2008 12:02:46 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Barack Hussein Obama=Jimmy Carter Part Douche)
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To: Mr. K
if we could harness just a percentage of it in a networked environment it would be huge

Already being done.

google Botnets

28 posted on 07/31/2008 12:42:41 PM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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To: eCSMaster

For the serious multithreading, the best I’ve ever seen was BeOS. A dual-processor PowerPC with BeOS could play several videos, animations and music at the same time without a hiccup — in the mid 90s.

This goes a little further though, but then it is over 10 years later.


29 posted on 07/31/2008 1:37:23 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: zeugma

OS X with XGrid.


30 posted on 07/31/2008 1:38:48 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mr. Jeeves

ping


31 posted on 07/31/2008 1:43:29 PM PDT by mr snerd
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To: bamahead

ping


32 posted on 07/31/2008 1:43:30 PM PDT by mr snerd
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To: bamahead
One day, that probably will make it to the consumer level...sad to say. Then it will be like dealing with the cable company.

Ughh...I'll never move beyond the rabbit ears of computing...

33 posted on 07/31/2008 4:35:35 PM PDT by shorty_harris
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To: bamahead
Copland 2.0. Or is that Pink?

-ccm

34 posted on 07/31/2008 6:02:38 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: bamahead
Midori will be built with an asynchronous-only architecture that is built for task concurrency and parallel use of local and distributed resources, with a distributed component-based and data-driven application model, and dynamic management of power and other resources.

I'm a professional geek working in a 100% Windows environement. I also spent twenty years in the US Navy. That sentence is the most impressive example of geek-speak nonsense I have ever had the pleasure to parse.

35 posted on 07/31/2008 6:07:09 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts, the Gay State. Once leader of the American Revolution, now leading its demise.)
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To: bamahead

Midori means “green” in Japanese...


36 posted on 08/01/2008 7:39:54 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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