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FR Gun Club: The Cornered Cat
The Cornered Cat ^ | Kathy Jackson

Posted on 08/11/2008 3:37:56 AM PDT by sig226

A friend sent me a link to this site and I liked what I saw. The site is dedicated primarily to female shooters, but the articles are well written and worthy of anyone's time. Kathy Jackson deals primarily with new shooters and people new to the idea that they might one day have to use deadly force to protect themself or their family. Although I've been around this stuff for a long time, I read many of the articles and even found a couple of things I didn't know on some of the n00b pages. It's definitely worth your time. If you are first considering firearms for your personal use, you'll see information presented in a different light than the common gun press and internet. If you're an experienced shooter, take my word for it, there is good stuff here.

Men:
If a woman in your life is wondering about your enthusiasm for firearms, or wondering if she should learn to shoot, send her here.

Women:
If you've wanted to find a more sympathetic ear to your concerns, this is an excellent site. "What should I do?' and 'What can I do?' are addressed by knowledgeable people without a lot of blather and "you have to do this," "you have to do that." These are some excerpts to the site, with links. The main link is a table of contents and will likely address any question you'd like to ask.

Main site

Cornered Cat.
When a cat feels threatened, she gets away from the danger as quickly as she can. She doesn't care what damage she inflicts on her way to safety, but she's not interested in fighting for fighting's sake. She does only as much as she needs to do in order to escape. She doesn't deal in revenge. If she feels threatened, she simply leaves. Efficiently.

Until she needs to use them, her claws stay sheathed. She doesn't go around threatening to maul people. She's cuddly, she's cozy, she likes to curl up next to a crackling fire on a warm winter's day. She's great company.

But don't try to trap her in a bad situation.

This site is about women and guns, not about cats. But in a way, it's about the cornered cat in all of us. It's about the determination to get away from an attacker if you need to. It's about making the decision to say, "Not me. Not mine. Not today." And it's about the tools to make that decision stick.

If you have to fight ... Fight like a cornered cat

A Word to Women
I didn't get permission from the author to excerpt, but this is a must read for anyone who might be on the fence about lethal force, not just women. Point a spouse or family member to this page if they're in that position.

Why a Gun?
If a criminal attacks me without provocation, why should he -- the aggressor, the malefactor, the bad actor -- get to choose which one of us survives our encounter? In initiating such extreme violence, the criminal has already chosen that at least one person will die or be seriously injured as a result of his acts. The law allows for lethal self-defense because wise people through the ages have recognized that in some circumstances, literally the only choice left for another person to make is whether the intended victim or the person who attacked her will be the one to survive.

There is something else, something perhaps more fundamental. I say more fundamental because at this point, those who are skeptical about the necessity of using lethal defensive force may be thinking, "Yes, but isn't there some other way?" And the answer is, not really. Not when innocent life hangs in the balance, and the attacker is both aggressive and determined.

Which Gun for Me?
Quality guns cost money. That's all there is to it. When it comes down to it, you may find yourself trying to find an ideal compromise between price and quality. I'm not hypocritical enough to say, as some do, "Well, how much is your life worth ...?" There's a lot more to the story than that, and I've been broke enough that we wondered how to finance the next trip to the grocery store. If you are in such a situation, you may have to make some hard choices -- but make them with your eyes wide open, aware of exactly what you are trading away and what you are getting in exchange. And don't be too quick to grab the first "bargain" gun that comes along. That's nearly always a mistake. If you're broke, you've got to spend twice as much time on research as someone who isn't broke. They can afford to make a mistake or travel down a blind alley in their quest for the perfect gun. When you're broke, you really can't afford that kind of waste.

I'll add that if you want to know how to get good guns cheap, I will write a piece about it and post it here soon enough. If you can't wait, freepmail me. I'll give you a few hints.


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1 posted on 08/11/2008 3:37:56 AM PDT by sig226
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To: CholeraJoe; Slip18; sig226; Shooter 2.5; Manly Warrior; DaveLoneRanger; Eaker; P8riot; ...

FR Gun Club ping


2 posted on 08/11/2008 3:39:25 AM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: sig226

Cornered Cat?
Where’d they get the name. It sounds like the little 7 pound cat my mother had for years. When cornered by a Doberman without a means of escape, fluffy killed the 35 pound dog. A cat can definately take care of itself if it absolutely has to.


3 posted on 08/11/2008 4:10:32 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: sig226

Thank you. Excellent counsel in the article.


4 posted on 08/11/2008 4:24:26 AM PDT by Alia
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To: sig226
Here's a nice weapon for the ladies. S&W Lady Smith in .38/.357. Designed to fit the smaller hand and fires a range of ammunition from .38 target to .357 bone crusher. A little pricey new, but many available used.

Taurus also makes a small CC revolver in the same calibers:

For those who prefer an autoloader, I'd suggest the Millennium Pro, also by Taurus, available in calibers .32 through .45 ACP

Or the venerable Walther PPK-S, favored by James Bond:


5 posted on 08/11/2008 4:35:38 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Space may be the final frontier, But it's made in a Hollywood basement")
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To: sig226

Thanks for the web site. I sent it to my Sister who just purchased a S&W revolver for home defense.


6 posted on 08/11/2008 4:36:15 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: BuffaloJack
“Cornered Cat?
Where’d they get the name. It sounds like the little 7 pound cat my mother had for years. When cornered by a Doberman without a means of escape, fluffy killed the 35 pound dog. A cat can definately take care of itself if it absolutely has to.”

With the addition of female cats not going out looking for trouble, you pretty much nailed it.

7 posted on 08/11/2008 4:53:20 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: mosaicwolf

I prefer the venerable Sig Sauer P232 with Hogue grips!

8 posted on 08/11/2008 4:53:46 AM PDT by China Clipper (My favorite animal is whatever is on my plate at that time)
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To: Slings and Arrows

kitty ping


9 posted on 08/11/2008 4:54:24 AM PDT by Mercat (For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail.)
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To: CholeraJoe

Taurus makes a nice gun. But that S&W Lady Smith is perfection.


10 posted on 08/11/2008 4:56:36 AM PDT by fleagle ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. -Winston Churchill)
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To: sig226

IMHO the biggest single problem with women carrying is ...how?

I bought my wife and I matching OWB Bianchi holsters. This was not for concealed purposes, just simple carrying. I wasn’t thinking.

She can’t draw from hers. Physical differences .

The info on female carrying, holsters, etc. is really lacking.

Fashion makes hiding a weapon next to impossible for females.


11 posted on 08/11/2008 5:00:01 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: fleagle

Smith and Wesson makes nice handguns. I’ve owned a half dozen over the years in .44 Mag to .22 and most in between. I’ve never fired a bad one.


12 posted on 08/11/2008 5:12:50 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("You don't eat meat, and drive electrical cars. Ur so gay, you don't even like boys.")
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
FR Gun Club ping!

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

For the FreeRepublic "banglist", please click HERE .

13 posted on 08/11/2008 5:14:43 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Vinnie
IMHO the biggest single problem with women carrying is ...how?

I think this is the biggest problem for everyone. During the summer I wear a shorts and a tee. During the rest of the year for work I need to wear a shirt and tie.

I am not agile enough for the ankle holster and won't leave the gun in the vehicle.

14 posted on 08/11/2008 5:16:10 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Vinnie

I know of at least one design of a purse with an open draw pouch on the end (friction fit.) Something that would work in a formal fashion setting. Not the least bit obvious...

I like the unisex belt bags with quick draw velcro closures. I think they come in fluorescent colors too. And they will hold some of the biggest cannons needing concealment. Though not as fashionable as the purse design. Something that would work in a casual fashion setting. So obvious, that it’s not obvious...


15 posted on 08/11/2008 5:19:51 AM PDT by freepersup (find the enemy... destroy the enemy... remain vigilant)
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To: CholeraJoe

I’m kind of curious if that new Federal .327 Magnum will become common enough for a ladies hideout revolver. The specs look interesting.


16 posted on 08/11/2008 5:20:41 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Old Student
"With the addition of female cats not going out looking for trouble, you pretty much nailed it."

Why do you think male cats go out??? To find female cats. The females may not go out "looking" for trouble, but they seem to cause a lot of it. :^)

17 posted on 08/11/2008 5:22:13 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Vinnie

I’ve been away too long (from the states, thus from posting) so I am rusty with my html skills (and I got up way too early today) so no hot link. On second thought, there should be a hot link, now that I’ve previewed this post.

Here’s a source with some options for concealed carry, both for the man or woman of the house.

http://springfieldxdstore.com/index/10/


18 posted on 08/11/2008 5:30:36 AM PDT by freepersup (find the enemy... destroy the enemy... remain vigilant)
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To: sig226

Some of the information on that Cornered Cat site could cause a shooter to develop bad gun handling habits. Like everything on the Internet, you have to separate the chaff from the wheat.


19 posted on 08/11/2008 5:32:36 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Wonder Warthog

“Why do you think male cats go out??? To find female cats. The females may not go out “looking” for trouble, but they seem to cause a lot of it. :^)”

And women are any different? Guys tend to go looking for trouble, and some seem to prefer it to women. I’ve known a few tomcats like that, too. The girls sometimes like to see the guys fight over them, but THEY aren’t looking for trouble, just helping the guys find it! ;)


20 posted on 08/11/2008 5:40:56 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: CholeraJoe
My wife has always favored the .38 Special Charter Arms 5-shot 1-3/4” barrel. Says if it's good enough for John Lennon, it's good enough for her. At at any range up to about 15 yards, she can punch your lights out with it!
21 posted on 08/11/2008 5:44:48 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: freepersup; verga

verga
I don’t know what kind of shorts you wear but a lightweight SW J frame is easy to carry in a front pocket. I do it all the time. Also cargo pants pocket, my favorite way.

freepersup.

Yes, a purse carry is an option but retention is a problem with that method.

I’m thinking of inventing ( in case it hasn’t been) the UTB carry. (under the boobs) :^)


22 posted on 08/11/2008 5:52:26 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Old Student

David Berkowitz (aka Son of Sam) also used a Charter Arms revolver. “Street Proven.”


23 posted on 08/11/2008 5:52:50 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("You don't eat meat, and drive electrical cars. Ur so gay, you don't even like boys.")
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To: sig226

Actually though I have seen my female cat, surprised by a German Shepard in our yard, puff up, back him down and chase him across the yard. Until the dog ran out of room to run, then, cornered, he turned, puffed up, and chased my cat back across the yard and over the fence. Funny as hell.


24 posted on 08/11/2008 6:22:29 AM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: CholeraJoe
I can't emphasize enough the addition of CT laser grips to my S&W wheel gun. I went from accurate to deadly accurate. What a confidence builder when it is your carry-gun. ;)


25 posted on 08/11/2008 7:11:25 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become the more you can hear.)
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To: Daffynition

Model: 642
Caliber: .38 +P
Capacity: 5 Rounds
Barrel Length: 1 7/8"
Front Sight: Integral Front
Rear Sight: Fixed
Grip: Crimson Trace Laser Grips
Frame: Small - Centennial Style
Finish: Matte
Overall Length: 6 3/8"
Material: Alloy/Stainless Steel
Weight Empty: 15 oz.

26 posted on 08/11/2008 7:28:13 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: sig226; Joe Brower

Great thread! Thanks for the ping Joe.

I like the analogy to cats...no one ever WANTS to have to ‘maim’ another, but one has to do what one has to do.

Kim


27 posted on 08/11/2008 7:31:42 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: sig226
Lots of very detailed information in the article.

The one weakness is teaching the Cooper rules.

The Cooper Rules have been shown to be unsafe for most shooters.


28 posted on 08/11/2008 7:32:59 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: sig226
Thanks for the post!

L

29 posted on 08/11/2008 7:36:05 AM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: sig226

Just read a few pages ,IE: carrying to the dr’s office..

Great information so far! I’m definitely passing this along.


30 posted on 08/11/2008 7:37:52 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: sig226

I've been really happy with my Glock. Haven't got my permit yet, but I planned on
getting one of those vests with a special pocket to carry it.

31 posted on 08/11/2008 7:40:29 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Come then, War! With hearts elated to thy standard we will fly!)
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To: China Clipper

This is a great choice for women.


32 posted on 08/11/2008 7:41:42 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

The Glock G36 is a wonderful carry gun. Among the lightest available in .45 ACP stopping power. Perfect bra gun. I carry it in a shoulder bag with a back concealment pocket.


33 posted on 08/11/2008 8:20:07 AM PDT by pyrless (I carry a gun, 'cause a cop is too heavy)
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To: XeniaSt
Nice choice! My Smith is a 649 ... just a step up in size from yours. In my hand, I like the heavier weight and can control it a bit better, especially for "rapid firing."
34 posted on 08/11/2008 8:24:24 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become the more you can hear.)
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To: sig226

Kathy is also a moderator (screen name PAX) at this firearms forum:

http://www.thefiringline.com/


35 posted on 08/11/2008 8:25:14 AM PDT by MtnClimber (http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/nobamanation-sticker.jpg)
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To: Daffynition
In my hand, I like the heavier weight and can control it a bit better, especially for "rapid firing."

When I first shot it, I was using 158 gr bullets.

Too much recoil.

I now shoot 110 gr Corban DPX +P

Recoil is very controllable.


36 posted on 08/11/2008 8:29:48 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: pyrless

Mine is the 27. I dont think it would work as a bra gun, but I don’t foresee any trouble concealing it. It’s thick but tiny.


37 posted on 08/11/2008 8:33:45 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Come then, War! With hearts elated to thy standard we will fly!)
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To: verga; Joe Brower
There work pretty good for concealed carry:


38 posted on 08/11/2008 8:36:00 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: sig226

Here’s some good sites for concealed carry purses, pouches, and bags.

http://www.skdtac.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=902

http://www.shado.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=L

http://www.armsvault.com/productreviews_0009_crossbreedholsters_concealedcarryshoulderbag_jan08.asp

http://www.shado.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RHA&Category_Code=NP

http://www.ccwsupply.biz/CCWBeltPacksPage.htm

http://www.shado.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=T40&Category_Code=CP

http://www.holsterusa.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=7&zenid=9675bcee5b2ce9c3ee8b5c1c9e68ad14

http://www.desantisholster.com/gunny-sacks—belly-bands—gun-caddies.html


39 posted on 08/11/2008 8:36:20 AM PDT by pyrless (I carry a gun, 'cause a cop is too heavy)
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To: verga; Joe Brower

Oops forget the link. >:-}

http://www.activeprogear.com/defender.html


40 posted on 08/11/2008 8:37:41 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: sig226

Cool. Thanks!


41 posted on 08/11/2008 8:41:19 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Daffynition
I've been thinking about it. This is the one I shoot most often:

From what I've read, the lasers really are worth getting for better accuracy.

42 posted on 08/11/2008 8:46:18 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Daffynition

Oh, and an added benefit. Apparently, when the focus is right, the lasers can be a compelling argument for a criminal to decide to depart the scene.


43 posted on 08/11/2008 8:49:17 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: All

Jeff Cooper rules
were the best we had when they were first developed.

They were developed for dogfaces and grunts.

They worked well enough.

The NRA adopted and the Training Department taught the Cooper Rules.

Over time the Cooper Rules were shown to be ineffective
as "ADs" did not decline.

The NRA Training Department researched a better way to teach gun safety.

The result of this extensive study over a number of years led the NRA Training
Department to reject the Cooper Rules that they had embraced.
This despite Jeff Cooper being on the NRA Executive Committee.

One can only imagine the arguments over many years
until everyone on the executive committee were convinced
that the new NRA Safety Rules were superior to the
then current Cooper Rules.

Anyone who knew Col. Cooper's massive Ego and Pride,
knows how heated these arguments were.

The result was that the NRA adopted the
recommendation of the NRA Training Department.

and issued the following NRA Safety Rules.

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger of the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use



  • The NRA rules are all positive.
  • The words used are ones that everyone can understand.
  • They are in a sequence, such that if you follow rule one,
    you remain safe even if you violate rule two and rule three.
  • I don't need to waste time and effort telling you that
    all guns are loaded, because if you
    Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
    it does not matter.

Following the introduction of the new NRA Safety Rules,
the number of "ADs" were reduced and continue to decline.

However in those areas where Cooper Rules continue to be taught,
"ADs" have not declined.

When you plan to shoot there are more rules to follow.

OBTW; I learned the Cooper Rules sixty years ago
as a boy with my first BB gun.

I could repeat the rules and violated them consistently.

I'm sure you did too.

My Daisy Red Ryder was always loaded.


44 posted on 08/11/2008 9:06:25 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Your Glock 27 is a nice concealed carry. I think it’s also a single-stack feed like my Glock 36, so the grip is nice for a small hand (unlike most of the double-stack Glocks). About the same weight as mine, too, which is a big factor.

I love the way a Glock works. No safety to fumble off in a hurry is a wonderful advantage. No hammer sticking out to catch on anything when pulling it out.

I was a bit worried at first about recoil from such a small .45 caliber gun, but was relieved to find it not a problem. After running through just a couple of magazines, I was fully comfortable with it.


45 posted on 08/11/2008 9:13:28 AM PDT by pyrless (I carry a gun, 'cause a cop is too heavy)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Thunderwear holsters


46 posted on 08/11/2008 9:13:45 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

“Mine is the 27. I dont think it would work as a bra gun, but I don’t foresee any trouble concealing it. It’s thick but tiny.”

Doesn’t look like bra guns are popular any more. All I had was an old link that’s now dead.

Here’s a different option - groin carry, riding pretty low:

http://thunderwear.com/holsters.asp


47 posted on 08/11/2008 9:19:55 AM PDT by pyrless (I carry a gun, 'cause a cop is too heavy)
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To: XeniaSt
After firing literally hundreds of thousands of rounds through all types of weapons I have only had one AD - bad sear.

Mad's Rules of Gun Control:

An empty gun is useless unless you plan on beating someone to death or are completely out of ammo.

All guns are ALWAYS loaded, never point one at anything you do not intend to kill.

Learn to trust your trigger finger and it to trust you.

He who hesitates is lost, He who takes careful aim usually wins.

Served me well for many years. BTW if you cannot trust your trigger finger do not carry a gun for self defense. You will just wind up being shot with you own weapon and that is really embarrassing and painful.

48 posted on 08/11/2008 9:24:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: freepersup

There’s lots and lots of purse options... Galco makes a bunch, I just ordered one for when I start carrying. It’s a good thing to have as an option, even if you think on-body carry is best. Suppose a woman wants to carry at a “little black dress” event. I can’t imagine any holster that is A. truly concealed and B. easy to get the goods when necessary.

And on long car trips, purse carry has got to be more comfortable than having a lump of metal on your hip all day.


49 posted on 08/11/2008 9:26:12 AM PDT by JenB
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To: XeniaSt

My practice rounds are CCI 158gr ... and I have no trouble.

When in carry mode, my preference is a MagSafe .38 Sp 52gr Defender. ;-)


50 posted on 08/11/2008 9:36:36 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become the more you can hear.)
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