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Are You Ready For A Gun Fight?
http://www.handgunsmag.com/ ^ | 060606 | Duane Thomas

Posted on 08/24/2008 9:29:35 AM PDT by B4Ranch

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To: mountainlion

It aint about huntin...whats your point ???


21 posted on 08/24/2008 11:33:17 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: B4Ranch

Two of the most dangerous things that can afflict a shooter: Overconfidence and underconfidence.

I don’t practice shooting as often as I’d like to, but I do practice more often than the average cop - and certainly more than the average criminal. That’s not an overconfident statement - there are no guarantees when it comes to gunfights. A gun can’t guarantee safety, but if you have one and an adequate amount of training, it’s the best way to improve your chances of survival. That improvement of chance is the best anyone can ask for. Nothing is ever guaranteed.


22 posted on 08/24/2008 11:37:56 AM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: B4Ranch
If you don't practice, I don't think that you should carry a sidearm especially a concealed one.

No one with any sense would argue against better training in firearms use for firearms owners. But the above statement is a great argument for much stricter gun control laws. If the RKBAs is a basic civil right (or a basic human right as I see it) it shouldn't be subject to licensing or permits making it instead a privilege subject to government revocation.

23 posted on 08/24/2008 11:42:18 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: DesertRhino

> However, I offer one important caution. Highly trained and experienced professionals and hobbiests tend to get this mindset that without tons of training and practice, a person will be a useless trembling waste, unable to defend theirself or a loved one. The problem is that its simply not true.<

The ones that I have known who walked away fine and slept fine that night were the ones who were pissed off that a punk would dare to engage them in a robbery, burglary, mugging or car jacking. They had the frame of mind, “Here I was minding my own business and this POS dares to think of me as a victim. I grabbed my gun and put as many holes in him as fast as I could.”

They truly resented being seen as a victim type. Now, everyone of these people is self supporting, self reliant and doesn’t ask for assistance from anyone if there is any chance that they are capable of handling the situation. They have earned their self confidence.


24 posted on 08/24/2008 12:03:31 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: Gilbo_3
It aint about huntin...whats your point ??

Are you ready for a gunfight?
I have been shot at while hunting and have shot back while hunting. Shooting paper is not a gunfight.

What is the article about? It is too long to read the whole thing!

25 posted on 08/24/2008 12:04:24 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: SampleMan

If you live in a crowded state you are probably correct.


26 posted on 08/24/2008 12:08:22 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: B4Ranch
If you live in a crowded state you are probably correct.

I was thinking of where I grew up in Missouri. Several miles to the closest neighbor, but livestock all over.

27 posted on 08/24/2008 12:13:51 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: mountainlion

Are you prepared for hunting only or have you considered what you’d do if you heard the front room lamp crash to the floor in the middle of the night? If you don’t keep a weapon and ammo handy then I wouldn’t consider you prepared for a home robbery.

If you do keep a weapon and ammo handy then I have to ask do you also have a flashlight handy? Have you given serious thought about what you would do in the middle of the night if your side door, the squeaky one, opened?

Burglars and robbers are not going to step on the kids noisemaking toys twice. You only get one warning when things go wrong. If you hear the WRONG sound when you should NOT be hearing it consider that your ONE AND ONLY WARNING. That’s when you have to act. Are you prepared to do so?


28 posted on 08/24/2008 12:17:05 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: mountainlion
first you say that info is missing, then state that its 'too long' to read...

Which is it ???

huntin & paper punchin aint 'gunfightin' [they are, however great tools of practice] ...

if yer gettin 'shot at' while huntin, maybe you ought not be trespassin, and if you werent tresspassin, maybe you outta not send lead randomly down range w/o verifyin a target...

RIF...reading is fundamental...

29 posted on 08/24/2008 12:20:44 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: marktwain

YOU are not a cop in uniform. Their game rules are totally different than yours and mine. They are not defending their family when they draw their weapon. Their goal is to arrest someone, not stop a deadly threat. If you pull your weapon out and don’t fire it, in most cases that’s likely to be considered brandishng.


30 posted on 08/24/2008 12:21:15 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: TigersEye

I am also one who doesn’t think we should have to beg on our knees to be able to defend ourselves. However, I have met people who haven’t dry fired, let alone spent a cartridge since they got their permit. That kind of person generally makes me nervous. I would want to be in front of them when they draw and do have to fire because they’ll probably be off target by 30 degrees if they don’t drop it first.


31 posted on 08/24/2008 12:29:40 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: B4Ranch
mentally, if I need to 'pull it', then I have a need to 'point it'...

also mentally, but safety training as well, I aint pointin unless I am ready /willing to destroy...

therefore, if I have to unconceal, or 'brandish', then realistically the situation is pretty damn severe, and barring Divine Intervention [ie God Himself guiding/restraing my fingers for His purposes] the threshold has already been crossed...period...

32 posted on 08/24/2008 12:29:56 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: SampleMan

I’m supposing you have enough sense to go into a small draw that’s free of livestock and game animals.


33 posted on 08/24/2008 12:31:48 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: marktwain
“Always fire twice if you draw your weapon from a concealed holster. In the real world if the threat is there to make you draw then that threat must be sufficient to also make you fire.”

I had two guys that I was 90% sure were seconds away from pulling a weapon or just jumping me and at a minimum beating the fluids out of me. I pulled my weapon, and told them to leave. They did.

Now had I not pulled my weapon, I'm not sure I'd be here. If I had shot one or both of them and they had not had a gun, I would be in prison right now.

34 posted on 08/24/2008 12:33:53 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: P8riot

You’ll have to expand the comment if you’re wanting a reply.


35 posted on 08/24/2008 12:35:09 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: DesertRhino

She’s a keeper.


36 posted on 08/24/2008 12:36:47 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: B4Ranch
I’m supposing you have enough sense to go into a small draw that’s free of livestock and game animals.

I'm supposing that you have no idea whether there are livestock in a draw or not, or a farmer fixing a water crossing, especially if the lights not good. A complete desert environment might be different, but most of the country has plenty of cover for livestock to be out of sight.

Just ask the land owner. Its not that hard to do.

37 posted on 08/24/2008 12:37:33 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: B4Ranch
M - a - c - h - o

b - u - l - l - s - h - i - t

p - o - s - t

38 posted on 08/24/2008 12:43:18 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: B4Ranch

I don’t think any American should have to even ask the government much less beg. All of your advice after the first statement is great advice. But that is all it should ever be IMO, advice. I would rather live in a country full of idiots, all armed and free, than one where everything is regulated and the only ones with arms were those selected and monitored by the government. My life and limb has been threatened a hundred thousand times more often by motor vehicles than firearms and driving is a privilege entirely controlled by the state.


39 posted on 08/24/2008 12:47:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: SampleMan; B4Ranch

“I had two guys that I was 90% sure were seconds away from pulling a weapon or just jumping me and at a minimum beating the fluids out of me. I pulled my weapon, and told them to leave. They did.”


Precisely my point, and the most common form of self defense with a firearm. I have had a couple of people in my classes that actually had to shoot someone, but 10 times as many who had people run from them because they had a gun.

Most assailants do not have a gun, they have a club, or knife, or bare hands, or are multiple assailants.


40 posted on 08/24/2008 12:49:51 PM PDT by marktwain
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