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Obama Is Losing Support Among Moderate Evangelicals
Wall Street Journal ^ | September 5, 2008 | Steven Waldman

Posted on 09/06/2008 1:55:22 PM PDT by NoRedTape

All year, Sen. Obama has worked hard to win evangelical voters. They’ve run campaign ads, distributed literature about being a “committed Christian,” and offered numerous outreach events at the Democratic convention. At stake are about six million voters - moderate evangelicals who voted for George W. Bush last time but were intrigued by Sen. Obama.

Several things have battered Sen. Obama’s standing with moderate evangelicals:

1) His poor performance at the Saddleback candidates forum, especially (or perhaps entirely) his comment about it being “above my pay grade” to know when life begins.

2) The selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, an appealing antiabortion figure and the perceived attacks on her by the media, which led evangelicals to think the “elites” were against them. This sentiment has been skillfully stoked by the Republicans.

3) The Democrats’ decision to run radio ads championing Sen. Obama’s abortion-rights position without discussing his abortion-reduction agenda. “Unless the Obama campaign will stop emphasizing abortion rights and strongly address the major common cause issues with a spirited vision and practical details, the Republicans can continue to scoop up a ton of votes,” says Hunter.

4) The Obama campaign’s failure to combat effectively the charge that he opposed giving protection to infants who survive abortions. It’s now become a standard part of the Republican litany that Sen. Obama supports not only abortion but also infanticide.

5) Quiet concern among evangelical leaders of faith-based groups that Sen. Obama’s faith-based initiative would leave most faith-based groups in the cold because he wouldn’t allow them to hire only from their particular faith....................

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008election; christianvote; election; electionpresident; evangelicals; mccainpalin; nobama; obamabiden; saddleback; titanicobama

1 posted on 09/06/2008 1:55:23 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: NoRedTape

The glow is coming off the halo. Zerobama is a false messiah.


2 posted on 09/06/2008 1:57:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain/Palin '08! Real change you won't have to "believe in." You'll be able to see it!!!)
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To: NoRedTape

“The Obama campaign’s failure to combat effectively the charge that he opposed giving protection to infants who survive abortions. It’s now become a standard part of the Republican litany that Sen. Obama supports not only abortion but also infanticide.”

This is a “charge”?? I thought Obama’s vote on this was legislative fact. Are there not videos of sessions where he argued this position for post-birth abortion? This is not a charge. It is fact?


3 posted on 09/06/2008 1:59:39 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

Remember the rule. Telling the truth about a liberal politician is called “swift-boating”. It is a Very Bad Thing.


4 posted on 09/06/2008 2:02:46 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: NoRedTape

Frankly, I am wondering what took so long for these evangelicals. (I am not one, but we are in sync on lots of issues.) Obama’s ONE vote on the legislation to protect those born alive through a “failed” abortion should have told them everything RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

But at least this purported awakening occurs before November. (I am not convinced many evangelicals took him that seriously from the start, though I could be reading things incorrectly.)


5 posted on 09/06/2008 2:03:05 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: silverleaf
This is not a charge. It is fact?

It's fact. A Google search for Illinois legislature should bring up relevant data. I've downloaded all the websites myself for direct reference.

6 posted on 09/06/2008 2:04:11 PM PDT by bcsco (Sarah America! Ignore the lipstik at your peril!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Well, at least obamamessiah still has the support of the atheists who are reeeeally bummed out that they still don’t out-number the Christians (”troglodytes”). :)

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/09/this_is_how_we_will_lose.php

This is how we will lose - PZ Myers

Category: Politics • Weblogs
Posted on: September 4, 2008 8:25 AM, by PZ Myers

Palin scares me, but what worries me more is that we will screw up again and hand the executive office over to another gang of losers, and we can’t afford that anymore. Now look at the open thread http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/09/palin_open_thread.php I set up last night, and you’ll see why I’m concerned. What did people do? They got distracted by irrelevancies, such as the opportunity to exercise a little macho sexism, and then that turned into a nasty, full-blown knife fight with everyone snarling at each other. This is exactly what the Republicans want, writ small on this little tiny island of the blogosphere.

That’s not how we’re going to beat back the troglodytes.

Palin is a stalking horse for failed social and economic and military policies. We don’t want to get drawn away from the important message of defeating those bad policies by the temptation of cheap shots at her appearance and sex, especially because those cheap shots make her look like a sympathetic victim and help advance the Republican agenda.

So please, think. Casual sexism plays into the hands of the bad guys on both sides. What frightens me most is that Palin got up and lied and said nothing of substance, and people are so distracted by the fact that she has breasts that the lies were allowed to slide by. This is how the Democrats can self-destruct, once again.

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Posted by: DaveScot | September 4, 2008 5:49 PM http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/09/this_is_how_we_will_lose.php

You finally got one right, PZ. This IS how you will lose.

Even totally united behind Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004 you couldn’t beat a dumbass draft dodging reborn alcoholic George “Shrub” Bush and his snake-oil sidekick Dick Cheney of all people. That’s pretty pathetic. This round you’ve got an even worse candidate that half of your own party thinks stole the nomination by cheating and dirty politics. Your party is shattered up the middle and you have the worst candidate in all the decades I’ve been paying attention. I knew Jack Kennedy and your nominee, PZ, is no Jack Kennedy.

Now the culture war is still on, the players are all the same on both sides, except this time we have an honest-to-God centrist war hero, even if he is an elitist beltway insider, and a little unheard of cutie, obviously a political savant, who in 30 minutes won the hearts and minds of every heretofore apathetic God fearing blue collar flyover family all across the nation and made them start caring about who wins this election not to mention is stealing a lot of the Hillary voters who wanted nothing more than a woman in the Whitehouse. If McCain wins then Palin, sooner or later, is going to become the first woman president of the United States as by the time she’s up for election to the top spot there won’t be any question of lack of experience. You are basically looking at teh American Margaret Thatcher. Get used to her. She’s going to be in your face for the next 16 years. It’s all over except for the tears and anger from your side that you were f*cked yet again. Write that down.


7 posted on 09/06/2008 2:04:40 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Cure your electile dysfunction - vote Sarah-cuda! "O is for Obama, Oprah, and Over" ~polymuser)
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To: NoRedTape

Obama’s just a late nite infomercial that slowly fades away.


8 posted on 09/06/2008 2:05:27 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: NoRedTape
Obama Is Losing Support Among Moderate Evangelicals

They must be clinging to their religion.

9 posted on 09/06/2008 2:05:47 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: NoRedTape
which led evangelicals to think the “elites” were against them. This sentiment has been skillfully stoked by the Republicans.

Not sure if any amount of gas thrown on that fire would make it any more obvious.
BTW, what Evangelical would consider voting for that Marxist Death Cult member anyway?

10 posted on 09/06/2008 2:07:03 PM PDT by MassExodus
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To: bcsco

I think that Sarah Palin having been put on the ticket as the VP, and her and Todd choosing life for their down syndrome baby will highlight the desire to PROTECT LIFE. This is a major plank for the Republican party and I for one am so happy to see both members on the Reb ticket strong pro-lifers and have lots of kids between them. A dozen kids between them and support for military strong as 3 of the 12 are ACTIVE MILITARY! GO MCCAIN/PALIN!


11 posted on 09/06/2008 2:08:29 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: NoRedTape

It’s about time those lukewarm Christians heated up!


12 posted on 09/06/2008 2:10:40 PM PDT by Paperdoll (Duncan Hunter for Secretary of Defense!)
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To: NoRedTape
It was always sheer fraud and fantasy that the Ghoulish Infanticide Poseur would get the Evangelical vote.
13 posted on 09/06/2008 2:10:52 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: vietvet67
Agree.

This is most likely for another thread, however I wonder what the reaction will be when he looses the election. If 2000 and 2004 were examples ... what will this defeat be like?

Are the lawyers in the wings?
14 posted on 09/06/2008 2:15:09 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: NoRedTape

I don’t care who ya are. If you say you are an evangelical and you vote for a baby killer, you ain’t no evangelical.


15 posted on 09/06/2008 2:17:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Matchett-PI

Love the Dave Scott” quote!


16 posted on 09/06/2008 2:17:31 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (No longer holding my nose to vote - McCain/Palin 2008!)
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To: NoRedTape
"The Obama campaign’s failure to combat effectively the charge that he opposed giving protection to infants who survive abortions. It’s now become a standard part of the Republican litany that Sen. Obama supports not only abortion but also infanticide."

Unlike many here on FR I am not in favor of a total overturning of Roe vs Wade. However it is not a "charge" that Obama supports infanticide of botched late term abortions it is a matter of record.

A problem is that if you tell most people what Obama's position was while in the Illinois state senate you would not be believed simply because the position he took is so reprehensibly cruel. Most people could never fathom (and therefore not believe) that any politician could block and vote against such decent and common sense legislation.

17 posted on 09/06/2008 2:17:49 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Sarah Palin: Babies, Guns, Jesus. HOT DAMN!)
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To: NoRedTape

What would a “moderate” Evangelical be?

“Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth.” Revelation 3:16


18 posted on 09/06/2008 2:19:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Obama was a community DIS-organizer)
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To: indylindy

I don’t care who ya are. If you say you are an evangelical and you vote for a baby killer, you ain’t no evangelical.”
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Evangelical perhaps.............Christian, no way...and God will be the judge of that.


19 posted on 09/06/2008 2:22:51 PM PDT by cowdog77
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To: AmericaUnited
It was always sheer fraud and fantasy that the Ghoulish Infanticide Poseur would get the Evangelical vote.

Absolutely it was! They simply couldn't warm up to McCain, but fell in love with Palin. They wouldn't have voted for D'ohbama, but they were having a hard time voting for McCain. I love how the MSM tries to shape politics with fake statistics.

FAIL!
:D
20 posted on 09/06/2008 2:23:09 PM PDT by RedBloodedTexan
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To: indylindy
"I don’t care who ya are. If you say you are an evangelical and you vote for a baby killer, you ain’t no evangelical."

Exactly. And that's what was so bizarre to me about this article. Why were Evangelicals ever for Obama?
How could they be with his abortion code?
How could any Christian be for Obama?
I'm Catholic and I don't know of any Catholics for Obama.
How could they be, and call themselves Catholic?
Same goes for any Christian.
We need to remind our Congregations of this fact.

21 posted on 09/06/2008 2:25:08 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: BenLurkin
IMO...

A “moderate Evangelical” is someone who goes to church sometimes. Liberals then tag them with the term “Evangelical” for the singular purpose of diluting and obfuscating the phrase.

22 posted on 09/06/2008 2:25:39 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Sarah Palin: Babies, Guns, Jesus. HOT DAMN!)
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To: NoRedTape

The more people learn about Obama the less they like him.


23 posted on 09/06/2008 2:27:06 PM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: princess leah; Paperdoll

It’s a strong pro-life ticket. The so-called lukewarm Christians are Christians in name only...if that. If they don’t support a strong pro-life agenda, and strict Bible-focused worship, then they aren’t true Christians.

The media has no idea what constitutes a Christian. The same can be said for a number of so-called Christian sects.


24 posted on 09/06/2008 2:53:30 PM PDT by bcsco (Sarah America! Ignore the lipstik at your peril!)
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To: NoRedTape
Wow. I feel bad for him. He spent so much time and money courting those folks.

What a moron.

25 posted on 09/06/2008 2:57:02 PM PDT by MattinNJ (When we lost Reagan, we lost a King. We now have our Queen. All hail Queen Palin.)
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To: NoRedTape

Did he really ever have it?


26 posted on 09/06/2008 2:59:52 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: K-oneTexas

I posted this article shortly after your comment.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2076274/posts

It’s my belief that the American public will continue to relate to Gov. Palin in that “She’s one of us” and come November all of Obama’s lawyers would just be peeing in a forest fire.


27 posted on 09/06/2008 3:25:39 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: NoRedTape
2) The selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, an appealing antiabortion figure and the perceived attacks on her by the media, which led evangelicals to think the “elites” were against them. This sentiment has been skillfully stoked by the Republicans.

Stoked, my asset! People saw the bias and attacks for what they were, without ANY help from the Republicans!

They STILL don't get it!


28 posted on 09/06/2008 3:31:48 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Praise God and pass the ammunition!)
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To: PGR88
"Did he really ever have it?"

? Support from Evangelicals? Naw. Not on any impressive scale. That wouldn't make any sense. NObama couldn't obtain the true Christian vote. But boy, has he tried. Ain't gonna work. Can't work.

29 posted on 09/06/2008 3:39:33 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: NoRedTape
The trouble with pro-abortionists is they try to have it both ways. They say they are against abortion but believe a woman has a right to have one. You can only be against abortion if you believe a fetus is a human being, otherwise there is no logical reason for being against abortion. You can't square that circle no matter how hard you try, and under expert questioning they look like morons.
30 posted on 09/06/2008 4:38:16 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: bcsco

Jesus said he would spit out luke warm Christians. I am afraid that because of how far the churches have fallen from scripture, God will end his mercy to and protection of America.

The media, and the Communist Party, hate Christianity, and have been working to end the American way of life, based on God’s eternal laws, for many years now. We are beginning to see the dire results of those evil endeavors.

But God will not forsake His children.


31 posted on 09/06/2008 5:35:13 PM PDT by Paperdoll (Duncan Hunter for Secretary of Defense!)
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