Skip to comments.Queston's about Ike?
Posted on 09/16/2008 11:17:36 AM PDT by Greboo
I'm always trying to look out for wasteful spending and I'm not trying to be a miser but....... Since when is Ice a requirement to live. I'm watching newscast's of Ike relief stations and seeing bunches of people carrying bags of ice that will likely be half melted before they get it home. Of course I'm not against relief of life neccesities including shelter, food, and water...but aren't we already digging deep into our pockets plucking people out of their flooded home's when they had been told numerous times over many media outlets, probably in multiple languages (for their own safety no less) to evacuate.
Former OIF vets like myself didn't even need Ice, we were quite happy with luke warm water. Someone please explain...
Got lots of $$$ invested in frozen meat?
As you point out,iIce isn’t life or death, but it can still be quite useful when the power is out.
This is TX, in summer. Ice can be a necessity. People get heat stroke in that place in summer.
I have had a struggle with this one, too, and I am in Houston and still currently without power at home. It has to do with keeping perishable foods chilled until it can be eaten or until the power comes back in. And probably keeping the beer cold, as well. Hey, ya gotta have priorities.
I personally thinned out my frig of perishables, and have a propane camp stove to boil water... cup of soup, instant noodles, etc., so I haven’t “needed” any ice.
Plus, I’d rather eat mud than go stand in line at the distribution points.
Also, some people require refrigeration to keep life-critical medicine (e.g., insulin for diabetics).
Also, it should be noted that ice can be manufactured on the spot. You don’t need to haul it in from across the country, as you would with fresh perishable food.
As people get older, the bodies temperature regulation system often fails. this is why in european countries where air conditioning is uncommon, heat waves produce thousands of deaths. In The US many there are many people who would die without air conditioning.
In Germany they would have died years ago.
No, you were not happy with lukewarm water.
I note that your home page is mute with regards to your location.
I would guess that you don’t live anywhere it really gets hot.
I am in Houston and just got power back yesterday. Many areas still have no power. Ice keeps your food from going bad as quickly. We humans need food.
Insulin, opened bottles of formula, expressed breast milk, any number of things need refrigeration. Luke warm water is great for patrolling. But it doesn't do squat for perishable foods or meds.
Some of the people you see on tv have returned to their flood ravaged homes. I have several friends who did evacuate and now have returned to begin their cleanup and have no way to keep food and medicines at safe temperatures. And it’s always nice to have a nice cold refreshing drink when you’re working hard in the heat. I say this most kindly, don’t be so quick to judge. You can’t imagine what hell their lives are right now.
My nephew is a teacher, and said that the schools could be closed for two weeks.
Other parts of the Huston area didn't lose power at all.
Sorta like denying someone in hell ice water.........
I guess one would have had to experience bad times to appreciate a little ice.
What’s the word on getting gas in Houston?
Maybe you have to walk a mile in their shoes. I’m proud of our fellow Texans — they aren’t whining, rioting and looting, but instead are quietly trying to pick up the pieces of their lives. They can have all the ice they want.
Now, that I don’t know. I live in Tenn., and my SIL wanted me to take care of some business for her. I didn’t even think to ask about gas. Check on mapquest. Zip code and you’ve got price and availability.
Will we, the people of the United States, be responsible for assuring that the remaining homeowners’ property assessment doesn’t go into the toilet? And if so, WHY???
I do not purchase high risk property. I do not want to pay for those who decide to take the HUGE RISK! See picture!
I’m 67 years old, a fourth generation Texan.
We like our ice.
Look carefully at that house . You can literally see the concrete pad that it was built on & it appears to be built on stilts because all the walls of the first floor are gone.
Could be some hidden damage, I suppose....
Yes. It looks like it was pretty close for even that house, the pad is significantly undermined.
From a distance, the house looks ok...zoom in and you can see that the house is a total loss(cement pad undercut, stairwell gone, nothing left on first floor but the “stilts” which are supporting the entire upper floors...obviously a great deal of thought went into it’s construction, but, the wind and surge were just too much. Shoot, even the street and sidewalks are gone.
"Trust us to build your home right, or trust the other guys..."
Per new code requirements, houses in coastal zones have to be built on piles, and above some pre-determined level. The structure is not at all dependant on the “pad” (which in this case appears to be only a non-structural slab. The first floors of coastal homes are generally only ued for garages, etc. All heating/cooling, etc. equipment is above grade by about 1 floor level, typically.
All renovations must meet these new requirements, too, in coastal zones.
Any chance of finding a “before’ pic?
I thought the same thing.
How deep are the stilts that support a house on the beach? Anyone know?
I don’t have any before pics but here is video of Bolivar Penisula. Totally destroyed.
It was built on stilts; it never had walls on the first floor. Standard building procedure for beach homes there. Most residents park their car(s) on the concrete pad under the house.
Dependent on soil conditions, but (rarely) 20’ to well over 100’ on the other (also rare) end of the spectrum. 40-60 is the norm from what i’ve seen.
In other parts of the country, for similar construction, i’ve seen sacrificial, non-structural walls, that will tear away in a storm event.
Okay, I suppose I've seen ones like that on Bolivar before also. The ones I remember seemed to be there to prevent the owner's cars from being sandblasted by the everyday seabreeze.
I live in Galveston County and evacuated to New Orleans after the storm passed, early Sunday morning, so I am not there.
My sister on the northwest side said there are some stations that have regained power, the lines are very, very long.
Moral of the story: modern freezers will do a remarkable job for you if you can give them half a chance.
I have been working out side 16 hours a day since Sunday at my house, and helping out others on my street, and doing my best to get roof patches on houses before the rain comes back this weekend. You try that with out any cold drinks and at best hot dogs to eat. I have been eating peanut butter, beef jerky and folks giving me meals for the work. I choose to do it this way ‘cause I can and don’t need much. Don’t get me wrong I am not just a begger off the street I work hard and make good money. I told my wife and kids to stay with her folks near Austin until power is stable and food is good suply. For now it is like a long camping trip just trying to help those who need it. But for some jerk who lives somewhere where 80 degrees is summer, yes we have been blessed with some cool weather for now but just think about doing actual work with out the thought of a cood (not always cold) drink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think code on Galveston requires at least 8 feet. My folks house had them 8 feet in the ground and 6 foot above. That was behind the seawall 65th and Heard’s lane.
Please, please, please: stop using apostrophes in (non-possessive) plurals!
(End of rant)
Get a big ol box of powdered gatorade if you can. It is life sustaining in a crisis. Any thing over a quart a day of strong( 1 1/2 times the recommended strength )will keep you up and running.
Good luck to you guys....
I have three clients in Houston, none are back in the office yet. one has transferred work to the Miami office
Yep, but it is kinda hard to transfer the work of a couple thousand engineers. Flight controllers are be moved to Huntsville, AL (MSFC) for the next flight.
Here is a few before and after pics of Crystal Beach. That second set may be subject house.
Nope, after further review, I believe subject house is closer to Gilcrist. I can see Rollover at the top of pic. Probably in Caplen area.
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