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Queston's about Ike?

Posted on 09/16/2008 11:17:36 AM PDT by Greboo

I'm always trying to look out for wasteful spending and I'm not trying to be a miser but....... Since when is Ice a requirement to live. I'm watching newscast's of Ike relief stations and seeing bunches of people carrying bags of ice that will likely be half melted before they get it home. Of course I'm not against relief of life neccesities including shelter, food, and water...but aren't we already digging deep into our pockets plucking people out of their flooded home's when they had been told numerous times over many media outlets, probably in multiple languages (for their own safety no less) to evacuate.

Former OIF vets like myself didn't even need Ice, we were quite happy with luke warm water. Someone please explain...


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1 posted on 09/16/2008 11:17:37 AM PDT by Greboo
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To: Greboo

Got kids?

Got milk?

Got lots of $$$ invested in frozen meat?

As you point out,iIce isn’t life or death, but it can still be quite useful when the power is out.


2 posted on 09/16/2008 11:20:46 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: Greboo
People have these things called "freezers". Many are filled with a substance called "food". When the electricity is out, the freezers don't work and it's possible that the food will spoil.

A few pounds of ice could prevent a few hundred dollars worth of food from spoiling. Pretty good return on investment.
3 posted on 09/16/2008 11:22:09 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: Greboo

This is TX, in summer. Ice can be a necessity. People get heat stroke in that place in summer.


4 posted on 09/16/2008 11:22:53 AM PDT by I still care (A thousand screaming Germans, some fake columns and swooning girly-men does not a campaign make.)
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To: Greboo; tx_eggman

I have had a struggle with this one, too, and I am in Houston and still currently without power at home. It has to do with keeping perishable foods chilled until it can be eaten or until the power comes back in. And probably keeping the beer cold, as well. Hey, ya gotta have priorities.

I personally thinned out my frig of perishables, and have a propane camp stove to boil water... cup of soup, instant noodles, etc., so I haven’t “needed” any ice.

Plus, I’d rather eat mud than go stand in line at the distribution points.


5 posted on 09/16/2008 11:23:08 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (Islam ... If you can't join them, beat them.)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Also, some people require refrigeration to keep life-critical medicine (e.g., insulin for diabetics).


6 posted on 09/16/2008 11:23:30 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: Greboo

Also, it should be noted that ice can be manufactured on the spot. You don’t need to haul it in from across the country, as you would with fresh perishable food.


7 posted on 09/16/2008 11:23:34 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: Greboo

As people get older, the bodies temperature regulation system often fails. this is why in european countries where air conditioning is uncommon, heat waves produce thousands of deaths. In The US many there are many people who would die without air conditioning.
In Germany they would have died years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave


8 posted on 09/16/2008 11:25:10 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Greboo

No, you were not happy with lukewarm water.


9 posted on 09/16/2008 11:26:26 AM PDT by txhurl (Denali/Bolton)
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To: Greboo

I note that your home page is mute with regards to your location.

I would guess that you don’t live anywhere it really gets hot.


10 posted on 09/16/2008 11:29:32 AM PDT by null and void (When you bang your forehead on the ground five times a day, you get brain damage.)
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To: NonZeroSum
Also, some people require refrigeration to keep life-critical medicine (e.g., insulin for diabetics).

Good point. My dad was diabetic and had to keep his insulin refrigerated. When he traveled he took a small travel cooler with an ice pack in it. Also some liquid antibiotics (like the kind you give to babies) have to be refrigerated.
11 posted on 09/16/2008 11:31:03 AM PDT by Caramelgal (a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer except that you have actual responsibilies)
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To: Greboo

I am in Houston and just got power back yesterday. Many areas still have no power. Ice keeps your food from going bad as quickly. We humans need food.


12 posted on 09/16/2008 11:34:37 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Greboo
Former OIF vets like myself didn't even need Ice, we were quite happy with luke warm water. Someone please explain...

Insulin, opened bottles of formula, expressed breast milk, any number of things need refrigeration. Luke warm water is great for patrolling. But it doesn't do squat for perishable foods or meds.

13 posted on 09/16/2008 11:49:40 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (A prayer's as good as bayonet on a day like this.)
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To: Greboo
…plucking people out of their flooded home's when they had been told numerous times over many media outlets, probably in multiple languages (for their own safety no less) to evacuate.

Keep in mind that the evacuation orders were for those areas right along the coast and in areas likely to get hit with storm surge. A lot of folks in the greater Houston area were not asked to evacuate, and even if they were, where are all the people in the 4th largest US city supposed to go and assuming that their house was not damaged or flooded, how long are they supposed to stay evacuated? The city of Houston expected their employees to be back at work yesterday as did a lot of business that weren’t damaged and could open up.

People right along the coast and in flood prone areas who were asked to evacuate and didn’t were IMO, pretty stupid and irresponsible.

But understand that when a good size hurricane comes ashore, even when downgraded to a tropical storm, it can cause power outages for many miles, sometimes a hundred or more miles inland.

In 2003 tropical storm Isabel caused a lot of power outages here in MD. I had friends who were without power for up to a week and the local utility company set up free ice stations and distributed not only regular ice but dry ice as well. A lot of times it’s the utility companies that provide the ice to their customers.
14 posted on 09/16/2008 11:53:22 AM PDT by Caramelgal (a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer except that you have actual responsibilies)
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To: Greboo

Some of the people you see on tv have returned to their flood ravaged homes. I have several friends who did evacuate and now have returned to begin their cleanup and have no way to keep food and medicines at safe temperatures. And it’s always nice to have a nice cold refreshing drink when you’re working hard in the heat. I say this most kindly, don’t be so quick to judge. You can’t imagine what hell their lives are right now.


15 posted on 09/16/2008 12:04:18 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: avacado
My family in Conroe drove quite away to be able to use the cell phone yesterday. They said that it probably will be weeks before they have the power on.

My nephew is a teacher, and said that the schools could be closed for two weeks.

Other parts of the Huston area didn't lose power at all.

16 posted on 09/16/2008 12:24:20 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: McLynnan

Sorta like denying someone in hell ice water.........

I guess one would have had to experience bad times to appreciate a little ice.


17 posted on 09/16/2008 12:27:16 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: Coldwater Creek

What’s the word on getting gas in Houston?


18 posted on 09/16/2008 12:29:17 PM PDT by IamConservative (On 11/4, remember 9/11...)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Maybe you have to walk a mile in their shoes. I’m proud of our fellow Texans — they aren’t whining, rioting and looting, but instead are quietly trying to pick up the pieces of their lives. They can have all the ice they want.


19 posted on 09/16/2008 12:33:27 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: Coldwater Creek
Check out Bolivar Peninsula


20 posted on 09/16/2008 12:34:25 PM PDT by avacado
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To: IamConservative

Now, that I don’t know. I live in Tenn., and my SIL wanted me to take care of some business for her. I didn’t even think to ask about gas. Check on mapquest. Zip code and you’ve got price and availability.


21 posted on 09/16/2008 12:35:27 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: avacado

Will we, the people of the United States, be responsible for assuring that the remaining homeowners’ property assessment doesn’t go into the toilet? And if so, WHY???

I do not purchase high risk property. I do not want to pay for those who decide to take the HUGE RISK! See picture!


22 posted on 09/16/2008 12:37:46 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: McLynnan

I’m 67 years old, a fourth generation Texan.

We like our ice.


23 posted on 09/16/2008 12:39:56 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: avacado
Wonder if that house belongs there, or just one of those crazy things that sometimes happen in natural disasters?
24 posted on 09/16/2008 12:42:18 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: Coldwater Creek

Look carefully at that house . You can literally see the concrete pad that it was built on & it appears to be built on stilts because all the walls of the first floor are gone.


25 posted on 09/16/2008 12:50:56 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: avacado
Superficially, seems to me somebody needs to dig up the plans for that house and build 'm all like that.

Could be some hidden damage, I suppose....

26 posted on 09/16/2008 12:52:49 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I'm Right Guard, here to prevent B. O.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Yes. It looks like it was pretty close for even that house, the pad is significantly undermined.


27 posted on 09/16/2008 1:07:17 PM PDT by null and void (When you bang your forehead on the ground five times a day, you get brain damage.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

From a distance, the house looks ok...zoom in and you can see that the house is a total loss(cement pad undercut, stairwell gone, nothing left on first floor but the “stilts” which are supporting the entire upper floors...obviously a great deal of thought went into it’s construction, but, the wind and surge were just too much. Shoot, even the street and sidewalks are gone.


28 posted on 09/16/2008 1:15:16 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (McCain will screw the conservatives, but, Obama will screw the whole country.)
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To: ExGeeEye
It would be a good advertisement for the builder.

"Trust us to build your home right, or trust the other guys..."


29 posted on 09/16/2008 1:16:32 PM PDT by avacado
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To: null and void

Per new code requirements, houses in coastal zones have to be built on piles, and above some pre-determined level. The structure is not at all dependant on the “pad” (which in this case appears to be only a non-structural slab. The first floors of coastal homes are generally only ued for garages, etc. All heating/cooling, etc. equipment is above grade by about 1 floor level, typically.

All renovations must meet these new requirements, too, in coastal zones.


30 posted on 09/16/2008 1:18:35 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: avacado

Any chance of finding a “before’ pic?


31 posted on 09/16/2008 1:19:50 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

I thought the same thing.

How deep are the stilts that support a house on the beach? Anyone know?


32 posted on 09/16/2008 1:24:32 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand up, Chuck)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

I don’t have any before pics but here is video of Bolivar Penisula. Totally destroyed.

http://www.click2houston.com/video/17482113/index.html


33 posted on 09/16/2008 1:31:00 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Nebr FAL owner
You can literally see the concrete pad that it was built on & it appears to be built on stilts because all the walls of the first floor are gone.

It was built on stilts; it never had walls on the first floor. Standard building procedure for beach homes there. Most residents park their car(s) on the concrete pad under the house.

34 posted on 09/16/2008 1:45:50 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (College Station)
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To: Greboo

35 posted on 09/16/2008 1:47:49 PM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Dependent on soil conditions, but (rarely) 20’ to well over 100’ on the other (also rare) end of the spectrum. 40-60 is the norm from what i’ve seen.


36 posted on 09/16/2008 1:50:42 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

In other parts of the country, for similar construction, i’ve seen sacrificial, non-structural walls, that will tear away in a storm event.


37 posted on 09/16/2008 1:52:16 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice
In other parts of the country, for similar construction, i’ve seen sacrificial, non-structural walls, that will tear away in a storm event.

Okay, I suppose I've seen ones like that on Bolivar before also. The ones I remember seemed to be there to prevent the owner's cars from being sandblasted by the everyday seabreeze.

38 posted on 09/16/2008 2:25:23 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (The Global Warming Heretic -- http://AGW-Heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: IamConservative
What’s the word on getting gas in Houston?

I live in Galveston County and evacuated to New Orleans after the storm passed, early Sunday morning, so I am not there.

My sister on the northwest side said there are some stations that have regained power, the lines are very, very long.

39 posted on 09/16/2008 2:37:28 PM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: avacado
We were without power for a week after Tropical Storm Isabel slammed into our part of Maryland in 2003. Fortunately, we had redone our kitchen two years before and had installed a new SubZero refrigerator freezer. We used a portable generator to run our "Christmas refrigerator" (named for the only time of year we normally ever use it) in the basement and never opened the SubZero. When the power came back on, we finally opened the freezer door to find all of our frozen food still frozen and ice cubes in the bin.

Moral of the story: modern freezers will do a remarkable job for you if you can give them half a chance.

40 posted on 09/16/2008 3:10:57 PM PDT by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Thanks!


41 posted on 09/16/2008 3:11:44 PM PDT by null and void (When you bang your forehead on the ground five times a day, you get brain damage.)
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To: Greboo

I have been working out side 16 hours a day since Sunday at my house, and helping out others on my street, and doing my best to get roof patches on houses before the rain comes back this weekend. You try that with out any cold drinks and at best hot dogs to eat. I have been eating peanut butter, beef jerky and folks giving me meals for the work. I choose to do it this way ‘cause I can and don’t need much. Don’t get me wrong I am not just a begger off the street I work hard and make good money. I told my wife and kids to stay with her folks near Austin until power is stable and food is good suply. For now it is like a long camping trip just trying to help those who need it. But for some jerk who lives somewhere where 80 degrees is summer, yes we have been blessed with some cool weather for now but just think about doing actual work with out the thought of a cood (not always cold) drink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


42 posted on 09/16/2008 4:49:58 PM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I think code on Galveston requires at least 8 feet. My folks house had them 8 feet in the ground and 6 foot above. That was behind the seawall 65th and Heard’s lane.


43 posted on 09/16/2008 4:53:41 PM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: Greboo

Please, please, please: stop using apostrophes in (non-possessive) plurals!

(End of rant)


44 posted on 09/16/2008 4:59:16 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: john316

Get a big ol box of powdered gatorade if you can. It is life sustaining in a crisis. Any thing over a quart a day of strong( 1 1/2 times the recommended strength )will keep you up and running.

Good luck to you guys....


45 posted on 09/16/2008 5:02:27 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: bert
Looks my generator just came in at work. Gonna be long night, get the network infrastructure up first the let the sys admins take over from there.
46 posted on 09/16/2008 5:05:44 PM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: john316

I have three clients in Houston, none are back in the office yet. one has transferred work to the Miami office


47 posted on 09/16/2008 5:39:00 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: bert

Yep, but it is kinda hard to transfer the work of a couple thousand engineers. Flight controllers are be moved to Huntsville, AL (MSFC) for the next flight.


48 posted on 09/16/2008 5:42:25 PM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: Travis T. OJustice
Any chance of finding a “before’ pic?

Here is a few before and after pics of Crystal Beach. That second set may be subject house.

49 posted on 09/16/2008 6:08:18 PM PDT by OBXWanderer (Now is the time for all good men [and women] to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: OBXWanderer
That second set may be subject house

Nope, after further review, I believe subject house is closer to Gilcrist. I can see Rollover at the top of pic. Probably in Caplen area.

50 posted on 09/16/2008 6:17:16 PM PDT by OBXWanderer (Now is the time for all good men [and women] to come to the aid of their country.)
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