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Strongly considering buying a gun

Posted on 09/20/2008 8:15:55 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney

I'm strongly considering buying a handgun to carry concealed. Live in Upstate NY, 26 years old, male, attorney. Married - no kids yet so don't have to buy a gun safe.

Getting the license unrestricted won't be a problem because I'm good friends with the judge who issues them. I will have to take a safety course before applying, however.

Don't know a huge amount about handguns or guns but probably about as much as the average American male. Went hunting with my uncle a couple times as a kid and I've fired a 1911 at the range once before.

Am open to either a semiautomatic or a revolver. Have looked at the Glock 26 and Kahr PM9 so far in local gun shops. I am looking for more suggestions and/or opinions on those two models - I don't really want to carry a full-sized handgun like the 1911 though. I want something that I can ideally tuck inside the waistband without printing and something that won't weigh me down because I'm on my feet about half of every workday. I know that New York still has its state version of the assault weapons ban in effect, so I believe all magazines manufactured after the ban that have capacities of more than 10 rounds are still illegal. I could conceivably purchase a large-cap mag that was manufactured before 1994, but federal and state gun laws are not my area of expertise, so I would have to look into the legalities of that. I'm not even really sure if I need a magazine larger than 10 rounds though if I'm going to be carrying a compact or subcompact pistol.

Thanks!


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1 posted on 09/20/2008 8:15:55 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

take a vacation in texas,

and someone will train you!


2 posted on 09/20/2008 8:17:51 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

bttt


3 posted on 09/20/2008 8:20:02 PM PDT by octobersky
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

I’d rather be judged by twelve than carried by six. Pretend that the Constitution means what it says and do what you deem necessary in this regard.


4 posted on 09/20/2008 8:20:42 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
Hi Point C9 9mm. VERY inexpensive ($120-140 brand new with a lifetime warranty), somewhat heavy, but reliable.
5 posted on 09/20/2008 8:21:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: ken21
Texas,

Our Family usually vacations down the east coast all the way till Florida...

One of these years we will take the family to Texas, they say “corpus christi” has nice beaches???

Is it true that guns are carried in plain view???

6 posted on 09/20/2008 8:22:08 PM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush (Today, July 16th I no longer donate money for Israel)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

Owning any firearm means you have the responsibility to keep it out of the wrong hands. You won’t be carrying it all the time.

I’d recommend consideration of a gun safe with the capacity for at least 24 long guns and a dozen or so handguns. Then start to work on filling it up.


7 posted on 09/20/2008 8:24:11 PM PDT by 43north (McCain/Palin '08 - Now That's the Ticket!!!)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

I’m with you. I carry pepper spray and we have shotguns but I would like a nice litle handgun...

I heard it takes forever to get a license in NYS...


8 posted on 09/20/2008 8:24:11 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: forYourChildrenVote4Bush

i lived in austin for one year.

every native texan i met had a gun.

i felt like no one was going to break into my apartment,

and indeed, no did.


9 posted on 09/20/2008 8:24:19 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

You opened a can of worms now :)

Plan on tons of suggestions...

Such as - This is a nice new Ruger sub compact.
Quite small and nice for C&C and good quality for a 380

Good Luck

http://www.ruger.com/LCP/


10 posted on 09/20/2008 8:25:39 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (1/2 " Typical White Person " and 1/2 " Garlic nosed Italian")
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
You will find no shortage of opinions here. Some more valuable and less blustery than others.

In TN I don't have a mag capacity ban. So I carry 13 rounds of Federal +P+ hollow points in a Sig Sauer P228 9mm.

P228 is a nice compact size and was favorite of Feds and Special Forces guys.

I love mine.

Good Luck

PS: Consider getting some sort of a safe anyway, kids or no kids. Guns that I don't carry are locked in a safe when I'm away from the house.

Stolen guns can be a large liability pain in the ass.

11 posted on 09/20/2008 8:25:44 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

I know of attorneys that get briefcases with armor plates and little secret compartments for their pistols.


12 posted on 09/20/2008 8:26:02 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

I’m a huge fan of Springfield Armory, IIRC they have a .45 ACP. You will need to take some practice and if you’re like me, you’ll need to have some Lasik surgery, but nothing works better than a .45 in life.


13 posted on 09/20/2008 8:26:43 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (If I wanted a Chicago politician as my President, I'd vote for Richard Daley)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
"Gun" is a horribly generic term.

Please be a bit more specific as to the purpose for which you intend to purchase this firearm.

Is it for self defense?

Is it for home defense

Is it to put meat on the table?

Do you intend to carry it concealed?

What are the distances at which you reasonably expect to encounter a lethal threat?

All these questions need to be answered before any useful advice can be offered.

L

14 posted on 09/20/2008 8:28:24 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

Here comes the Judge:

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=revolver


16 posted on 09/20/2008 8:29:33 PM PDT by jessduntno (.Well King, This case is CLOSED.)
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To: Lurker

I thought the post was rather specific.


17 posted on 09/20/2008 8:30:59 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
no matter WHAT you get... make sure it's at least a .40
18 posted on 09/20/2008 8:32:53 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - McCain/Palin'08 = http://www.johnmccain.com/)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
Concealed? This one is excellent and very small.(Ruger LCP .380)

19 posted on 09/20/2008 8:33:59 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: GOP_Raider

What does LCP and ACP mean?


20 posted on 09/20/2008 8:38:19 PM PDT by valkyry1 (McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: valkyry1
LCP: Light Compact Pistol.

ACP: Automatic Colt Pistol

L

21 posted on 09/20/2008 8:41:27 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
For a first time weapon that you can drop into your pocket, briefcase etc and be guaranteed to fire when you need it to, I would suggest looking at a 38 Special revolver. The weapon is intended for self defence so within that parameter and distance limitation, plus some range time, a 38 Special will do the job. Charter Arms produce a good line of revolvers at a reasonable price.
JM2Cents
22 posted on 09/20/2008 8:41:57 PM PDT by monkeycard (There's no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

First,

generally speaking, it is always nice to hold as many bullets as possible. Remember “10” is a forced limit from the Clinton era.

Second it depends on what you feel comfortable with, and how hard it would be to conceal and retrieve quickly.

There are a lot of great handguns out there. I personally have enjoyed Ruger’s firearms. I also like Smith and Wesson semiautos. Lots of people here like Glocks. I’d say test a few different models out. Gun stores that have indoor ranges usually have models you can use to test fire to see how you like them.

The bigger they are the harder they are to conceal. It may also make a difference in what kind of holster you’d have to use to conceal them more effectively.


23 posted on 09/20/2008 8:43:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: monkeycard
Agreed. I also have a little Charter Arms .38 SPL "Off-Duty".

Good pocket gun.

24 posted on 09/20/2008 8:43:56 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: valkyry1

LCP is I believe Ruger’s acronym for “Lightweight Compact Pistol” and ACP harks back to the original Colt which when adopted by the Army became the “Automatic Colt Pistol” - and with the military’s love of all things with an acronym, it became ACP... ;-)


25 posted on 09/20/2008 8:44:31 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: valkyry1

You have a lot of options. I personally like the Kel-Tec P-11. I have also carried the Glock 27. The key is finding something that you can conceal easily and shoot accurately and reliably. Whatever weapon you choose make sure to know what load it likes the best and practice with that load. I like at least a 9mm load.


26 posted on 09/20/2008 8:47:30 PM PDT by jacksonstate
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

Take an NRA sanctioned firearms safety course and then ask. You put the last question first.


27 posted on 09/20/2008 8:48:53 PM PDT by Octar
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To: forYourChildrenVote4Bush
Is it true that guns are carried in plain view???

Believe it or not, open carry of handguns in Texas is illegal. Only legal carry option for handguns on your person is licensed concealed carry.

28 posted on 09/20/2008 8:52:18 PM PDT by Hazwaste (Vote! Vote for the conservative local, state, and national candidates of your choice, but VOTE!)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
I've put a couple of thousand rounds through the Glock 17 and the Glock 26 (most through the 17). Never had a stoppage. Very reliable weapons, easy to break down for cleaning and no external safety or other confusing bells and whistles so IMO a good auto-load choice for someone who is relatively inexperienced, but who intends to practice, drill and learn good, safe gun handling technique.

The Glock 26 is small, light and easily concealable. I carry it in a Cobra Gunskin (waistband tuck-in) leather holster which I've used since the early '90s. Can't recommend the Cobra holster enough.

Nothing wrong, BTW, with conceal-carrying a revolver. Easier, less complex to handle, and you don't have to worry about the weapon jamming or not being in-battery.

Hope this helps.

29 posted on 09/20/2008 8:52:28 PM PDT by kaspergutman
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To: Lurker

He clearly stated that he was getting a concealed carry license. What more do you want?


31 posted on 09/20/2008 8:54:57 PM PDT by pdq
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To: monkeycard

“15” and “22” beat me to the punch.....;)


32 posted on 09/20/2008 8:54:58 PM PDT by JoenTX
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

As for carrying guns in open sight, not handguns with a CCW. I do believe gun racks are still legal (?) here so in this since, yes, carried in the open or at least they use to be on a routine basis.

For me, for pure self defence, I prefer a revolver over a semi-auto. Yes, semis are very reliable and do have higher magazine capacities, but nothing is simpler and easier to use in a pressure situation IMHO. Call me old-fashioned, I know. I have a little Taurus .38 that is my favorite for this and makers like S&W, Charter Arms, etc. make similar and most of them are very affordable.


33 posted on 09/20/2008 8:55:13 PM PDT by JoenTX
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
Were I you I would strongly consider one of the SigSauer single stack models in either .380 or 9mm.

They're incredibly well made, utterly reliable, slim, light, and extremely accurate.

L

34 posted on 09/20/2008 8:57:00 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
You can't go wrong with a S&W Model 638, .38 SPL +P


35 posted on 09/20/2008 8:57:01 PM PDT by Jaxter (Everything I needed to know about Obama I learned by Googling "Black Liberation Theology".)
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To: jacksonstate

It seems like the 9MM up to the 45LCP is the best range for these type of weapons.

Revolvers are a whole nuther topic.


36 posted on 09/20/2008 8:57:51 PM PDT by valkyry1 (McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

If you want a Glock 26, get a Glock 27 instead. It’s the same frame, but with the more potent .40 S&W. For <100 bucks you can grab a 9mm conversion barrel to let you shoot at the range for cheap, let the wife/girlfriend shoot with a little less kick, etc.

It’s literally a <5 minute drop-in with no other parts besides a 9mm magazine. You can’t do the reverse (put a .40 barrel into a 26) because the 9mm is smaller.

Also, you can get grip extensions that fit to the bottom of the magazine to let you get your whole hand on there, and extend the magazine by 1 or 2 rounds.

Last thing...there’s no such thing as a “high capacity” magazine. That’s doublespeak the gun grabbers came up with. Before they renamed everyday pistols as “assault” weapons, they were just standard, un-castrated, normal mags. Just call them “standard capacity” or “full capacity”.


37 posted on 09/20/2008 9:00:23 PM PDT by BobbyT
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To: 43north

I see what you are saying about not letting guns fall into the wrong hands, but what good will my gun locked in a gun safe do me if someone were to break into my house? I’d much rather have the gun in my nightstand drawer.


38 posted on 09/20/2008 9:03:10 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Barry, you're more racist than 99% of Americans. And you're ugly.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

A good starter pistol type is the revolver. They are easy to clean, not complicated to take apart to clean and don’t have the jamming potential of the semi-autos.

Leaving the shell casings behind, after firing, is not desired in some situations for some people so semi-autos is not a good choice for those having those concerns.


39 posted on 09/20/2008 9:03:59 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

Didn’t you post a similar topic last week? No one should decide for you. You need to figure that out for yourself by trying out different models/types. You need to do your homework first. There is actually a series of several important decisions to make if you want your first purchase to be successful and not wind up being a trade-in after 3 months.


40 posted on 09/20/2008 9:04:22 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood

You must be confusing me with someone else, sorry. This is the first time I’ve ever posted a thread in general chat, let alone a thread about purchasing a gun.


41 posted on 09/20/2008 9:06:49 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Barry, you're more racist than 99% of Americans. And you're ugly.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

When you and your gun are in the house, the nightstand drawer (or anywhere else easily accessible) is where it belongs.

When you are out of your house and the gun is still there, an easily accessible place is not the proper place for it. That’s why I have a gun safe.

If all you have is one handgun there are small safes that are very secure and easily concealable in your home. Mine weighs 800lbs. empty so I’m not too worried about someone making off with it...


42 posted on 09/20/2008 9:08:36 PM PDT by 43north (McCain/Palin '08 - Now That's the Ticket!!!)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

Glock 19.


43 posted on 09/20/2008 9:13:43 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
You need to shoot about 1000 rounds as soon as you get your gun.

Consider a Smith & Wesson 642 Centennial hammerless revolver.


-ccm

44 posted on 09/20/2008 9:15:18 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

.38 SW Revolver.... nice and easy.


45 posted on 09/20/2008 9:16:01 PM PDT by Porterville (Mac Truck)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

If you want to carry you really should get some training in the use of deadly force for self defense. When you are trained you will have a much better idea of what sort of weapon will serve you best and you will have much less faith in the power of any weapon to work magic in an emergency.

Your most important weapon is your brain. Train it well.


46 posted on 09/20/2008 9:18:06 PM PDT by SBprone
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

Depending on your size and strength, I would suggest a revolver in .38, .44 or .45 caliber.

Medium frame revolvers are easy to conceal, and can be found which can fire both the mild .38 Special and the higher powered .357 magnum.

Large frame revolvers are more effective, but harder to conceal, and can be found which fire .44 Special and the higher powered .44 magnum.

A more specialized revolver is available in .45 ACP, that uses moon clips to quickly reload.

Unless you frequent territory with large bears, avoid hand cannons, though for the sake of completeness, they are available from Ruger in .45 Colt and .454 Casull.

Best to practice with lower power rounds, with more occasional shooting of higher power (and more expensive) self defense rounds.

Smith and Wesson makes a large number of excellent double action revolvers. Other solid makers are Ruger, Taurus, and Charter Arms. I don’t recommend the very high end revolvers such as Korth to beginners.

It is also a good idea to have a .22 revolver that is similar to your larger caliber revolver. The way to get good at shooting is to get up to your butt in empty shells. Unless you are independently wealthy, you want to do that using the cheap .22 Long Rifle. Smaller rounds also let you work on trigger skills, with less danger of carpal tunnel, and less danger of developing a nasty flinch.

I would not recommend an automatic pistol for a first gun. An accidental discharge can ruin the rest of your life.
1. All guns are always loaded.
2. Don’t point your gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
4. Know your target-AND what is behind it.

The average pistol engagement is still what it was 20 years ago, about 3 rounds. A pistol/revolver shot is LOUD! The first shot changes the dynamics of any social encounter. Outside the military, or SWAT units, more rounds than 6 are very very rarely needed. Never go somewhere with the gun if you wouldn’t go there without the gun.


47 posted on 09/20/2008 9:18:48 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

Sorry. Anyway, buying a gun is like buying shoes. Think about that. What is right for one shooter is not necessarily right for you and your lifestyle. Then go to a gun store and just spend time looking at guns and asking questions. If you can find a range that rents guns, that will then allow you to compare. Don’t forget to shoot with the load you plan to carry.

How are you going to conceal carry? That will determine the holster and the holster (and comfort in general) can sometimes narrow down your choice. What I like to carry and what I have in my bedroom are 2 different kinds of guns. Do you need two or more guns? No, but I’m just saying that your first gun may not be the only one you end up owning.


48 posted on 09/20/2008 9:20:00 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

I carried a gun in Wash DC before the gun ban and always like revolvers because you could send the pistol back to a Gun Smith like Wilson in Pennsylvania to take away the throat that was cut into the barrel. This way you could get a gun that could knock down a can at 50 yds. But I think that if you want to carry a gun then you need one to practice with like a 22 or air pistol and one to carry ... this is because it takes about 65,000 to 250,000 to use a gun accurately and the most difficult is practicing dryfiring on a spot on the wall because it is just plain boring but very necessary.


49 posted on 09/20/2008 9:29:21 PM PDT by extol
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney
IANAL - but can't pass up the chance to drop a couple of pointers to you.       :^)

1) Spend a couple of hours looking through the NY State and NY City / Nassau County Gun Laws and Restrictions.
2) Right off the bat -- you cannot legally fire a handgun without a Permit, so there is no "try-and-buy" for your first one. (A friend in a quarry ... !)
3) Find a Range and Dealer near you, and seek your information from them; they know the regs for the area and who to deal with (and stay away from!) in the local administrations.
4) Get what fits you and your hand, not whatever someone wants to give you 'a good deal' on.
5) Take some lessons, both class and range time, to acquaint yourself with maintenance of the tools and provide speed and accuracy of target aquisition. You will never take it out unless you need to use it; training will ensure you can hit the correct target immediately.
6) All guns are loaded, unless in pieces on your table.

I lived in Wayne County, and was going to get my permit when my company pulled me out and sent me out of state. Somewhere in the files I still have the application, lol.

Good luck.

50 posted on 09/20/2008 9:30:47 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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