Troy and Homer:
Towards a Solution of an Old Mystery
by Joachim Latacz
tr by Kevin Windle and Rosh IrelandHomer: His Art and His World
by Joachim Latacz
tr by James P. Holoka
Posted on 10/03/2008 11:34:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
In his influential book, "Troy and Homer," German classicist Joachim Latacz argues that the identification of Hisarlik as the site of Homer's Troy is all but proven. Latacz's case is based not only on archeology, but also on fascinating reassessments of cuneiform tablets from the Hittite imperial archives. The tablets, which are dated to the period when the Late Bronze Age city at Hisarlik was destroyed, tell a story of a western people harassing a Hittite client state on the coast of Asia Minor. The Hittite name for the invading foreigners is very close to Homer's name for his Greeks - Achaians - and the Hittite names for their harassed ally are very close to "Troy" and "Ilios," Homer's names for the city.
"At the very core of the tale," Latacz argues, "Homer's 'Iliad' has shed the mantle of fiction commonly attributed to it."
(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...
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booo!!!!
Schliemann is the greatest!
:’)
Sing Muse, of the wrath of Achilles...
the argeioi won.
Joachim Latacz’s book is fascinating and well-written, an excellent read (at least in the English translation), but a lot of his views are controversial. There is still a wide range of views about the reality of the Trojan War. The man who directed the recent series of excavations at Troy, Manfred Korfmann, died in 2005, but I believe they are continuing under another director. Korfmann was sharply criticized by some of the other scholars in the field.
:’)
Defences at Troy reveal larger town [ news finally reaches UK ]
Times o’ London | September 19, 2008 | Normand Hammond
Posted on 09/19/2008 7:36:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2086313/posts
Troy Story [The Straight Dope]
Salt Lake City Weekly | July 19, 2007 | Cecil Adams (The Straight Dope)
Posted on 07/18/2007 11:14:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1867912/posts
Mycenaean and Hittite Diplomatic Correspondence: Fact and Fiction [ PDF file ]
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill ^ | circa 2004 | H. Craig Melchert
Posted on 05/03/2007 10:59:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1827901/posts
In Search of the Real Troy
Saudi Aramco World | January/February 2005 Volume 56, Number 1
Graham Chandler, Photographed by Ergun Cagata
Posted on 02/20/2005 2:33:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1347422/posts
Troy and Homer:
Towards a Solution of an Old Mystery
by Joachim Latacz
tr by Kevin Windle and Rosh IrelandHomer: His Art and His World
by Joachim Latacz
tr by James P. Holoka
Carl Blegen, after spending several years in the 1930s excavating at Troy, discovered a Bronze Age palace at Pylos in 1939 which he identified as Nestor's palace (although nothing with Nestor's name turned up). There's a building on the University of Cincinnati campus named for Carl Blegen.
Carl Blegen, after spending several years in the 1930s excavating at Troy, discovered a Bronze Age palace at Pylos in 1939 which he identified as Nestor's palace (although nothing with Nestor's name turned up). There's a building on the University of Cincinnati campus named for Carl Blegen.
I like to think that “the way I know it” is the truth.
I, too, am stickin’ with Schliemann
For that matter, the Horse isn’t in the Iliad.
A vry worthwhile article—except for the part where he starts in about the epic works can’t be a real picture of the times they portray because they were transmitted by oral troubadors for hundreds of years.
The whole point of the transmission of stgories that comprise the ethos of a culture is that they are ‘sacred’ in a sense and the ritual of repeating them exactly as handed down is an important part of the ‘power’ of the tale.
Anthropologists have found that many cultures still hand down the history of their culture through this method when written history is not available and they use mnemetics to keep the ‘sacred’ story unchanged.
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=blegen+linear+b
http://traumwerk.stanford.edu:3455/Archaeopaedia/123
http://www.uc.edu/news/bennett.htm
:’) That’s an old debate — anthropologists can’t show that tales passed down strictly orally with no resort to old written versions are preserved intact, unless there’s a sudden discovery of just such an old written version. I don’t think that’s ever happened as such.
The closest may be the unearthing of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but that’s hardly the same thing, because the Bible has existed in various written forms for as long as 3000 years — there’s just nothing older than the DSS, and there are slight differences here and there, even though the copyists have kept multiple written versions alive (and in a great many languages beginning about 600 years ago).
In his 1980s docu, Michael Wood tracks down a couple of keepers of an oral tradition, one in Turkey, the other in Ireland, in order to make a case for centuries-long survivals of long epics by illiterate groups. I don’t think there’s anyone in the field who now thinks (or perhaps, ever thought) that the Iliad (at least!) was all one tale throughout the centuries, supposedly before it was written down. The oldest complete Iliad dates (it sez here) to the 10th century; the oldest surviving fragment (I think 1st c BC) can actually be seen (in photo) in Bettany Hughes’ docu, “Helen of Troy”. Couldn’t find a copy online.
http://www.bettanyhughes.co.uk/b_articles_sex_lies.htm
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/detail.aspx?id=14630
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/papyrus/records/4r.html
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/news/2007/06/iliad_scan
http://chs.harvard.edu/chs/chs_home
“’The Odyssey’ and ‘The Iliad’ are giving up new secrets about the ancient world”
Water board?
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