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Need FReeper Legal Help
numberonepal

Posted on 10/08/2008 4:38:08 AM PDT by numberonepal

I have a legal question for some FReepers that may be able to help. Here's the situation.

  1. I paid for and legally downloaded an ebook.
  2. I then put that book on my personal web space for backup and for a place to access the book.
  3. After some time of the book being on my servers Google decides to index the PDF file. I never requested the index from Google.
  4. Google provides a link to the book where it can be downloaded for free from my server.
  5. Author of the book calls me to ask why I'm offering his book for free. I explain that I'm not and remove the book from the server while on the phone with him.
  6. The author wants compensation for loss of business. He has asked me to come up with a number for compensation.
  7. My server logs tell me when and how many times the link was hit. Being that the link was directly to the PDF it is safe to say the book was downloaded.
OK, those are the facts. What I need to know is whether I should retain the services of an attorney. If so, what kind of attorney? I've done a great deal of research on this matter but cannot seem to find any cases for precedent in such a scenario. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: copyright; law; legal
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Thanks for all the advice in advance. I've learned my lesson.
1 posted on 10/08/2008 4:38:08 AM PDT by numberonepal
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To: numberonepal

Copyright law is not like “theft” there are subtle differences. Since you took down the content as soon as you were made aware of the problem, under the DMCA he has little additional recourse, unless he sues you in court.


2 posted on 10/08/2008 4:40:44 AM PDT by ikka
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To: numberonepal

Why didn’t you just upload it for storage? No link. You could access it from the directory without the link for others.


3 posted on 10/08/2008 4:41:05 AM PDT by Netizen (If McCain really put 'Country First' he'd have been working on securing our borders.)
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To: numberonepal

I would tell him to pack sand, that his book was of no value, and in fact you want a refund!


4 posted on 10/08/2008 4:42:41 AM PDT by Federalist Society
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To: numberonepal
I would retain the services of any good attorney at least for an initial consultation. You may find that your exposure is minimal, and if you can clearly document how many times the e-book was downloaded you will know exactly how much revenue the author has "lost."

Anyone here have a ping list for lawyer Freepers?

5 posted on 10/08/2008 4:43:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: numberonepal
should retain the services of an attorney

No. You acted properly at the authors request. The ball is in his court let him initiate the fight. Be apologetic after all you were in the wrong, but do not give the impression that you believe there may be a case for compensation. Don't put any resources into this unless you are forced to.

6 posted on 10/08/2008 4:55:34 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: numberonepal

Robots.txt

For the next time.


7 posted on 10/08/2008 5:00:25 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: numberonepal; Realism
I agree with Realism's advice in Post#6. That is what I would do if I were in your situation.

Keep in mind, though, I am not an attorney - nor do I play one on TV.

8 posted on 10/08/2008 5:01:56 AM PDT by WayneS (Vote Obama bin Biden 2008 - "Because the world doesn't suck enough yet".)
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To: numberonepal

Curiously...how many downloads to you THINK may have been done to the book? Have you notified Google that the spider indexed the page and it needs to be removed (in addition to your removing the copy) - erase any reference that it was there. There is a content removal link at Google.

How did the author discover it? Just out searching his name and your link was there?

Your personal space does not have a password protection? In other words, it was published to a public website? If it were password protected, the hits could have come from something else since no one could access it. I’m trying to help assess how many hits actually came from visitors who happened upon your site. People pay a fortune for search engine results to get people to their site and this content just happened to be found out there? They either searched for the book (is it a best seller or something?) and found your link (as mentioned get that removed)...or, not too many people found your personal URL pdf by surfing out on the web.


9 posted on 10/08/2008 5:02:13 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: Malsua
Robots.txt

I know, I know. When I put the book up I never intended for it to be there very long. I simply forgot it was there.

10 posted on 10/08/2008 5:03:01 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Netizen
Why didn’t you just upload it for storage? No link.

That's what I did, although it was in the top level directory for the domain. I did not provide a link. Google provided the link.

11 posted on 10/08/2008 5:03:49 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Federalist Society
...and in fact you want a refund!

The work is exemplary and I've read the book numerous times (non-fiction). I wouldn't be truthful if I acted in such a manner. But, I appreciate your input.

12 posted on 10/08/2008 5:05:32 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: ikka

Thanks. I’ll look into the DMCA. I gave it a cursory skim, but didn’t see anything that stood out for this scenario.


13 posted on 10/08/2008 5:06:45 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Alberta's Child
and if you can clearly document how many times the e-book was downloaded you will know exactly how much revenue the author has "lost."

I do in fact know how many times it was downloaded and from where the folks came to get it. I also have their IP addresses FWIW. I was thinking (to myself) of making an offer based on his site conversion rate and the number of downloads from my site.

14 posted on 10/08/2008 5:10:07 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: WayneS

He could promote the books sale on the web page as a courtesy for the mistake. The author may take the gesture as more economically favorable than a fight would be.


15 posted on 10/08/2008 5:11:45 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: numberonepal
At this point you really have no idea if it was even downloaded (and neither does he). I perform searches all the time and back out of several links before finding what I was looking for; still counts as a hit.

I would think at this point he has to prove damage. To do so he would have to prove others made copies from you site. That is almost impossible.

Further, you had no intention to cause harm and corrected the problem as soon as you knew of it.

The burden is on him...

16 posted on 10/08/2008 5:18:06 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Realism; WayneS

I’ve really slobbered all over him both on the phone and in email. This is a rare time when I genuinely offered an apology. I really was sorry to have wasted his and my time over such a matter. I really appreciate your advice. Are you an attorney Realism?


17 posted on 10/08/2008 5:18:09 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Realism; numberonepal
He could promote the books sale on the web page as a courtesy for the mistake. The author may take the gesture as more economically favorable than a fight would be.

I think this is a great idea. I'm sure the fine print of terms of sale of the eBook clearly prohibited anything like loading it onto a publicly accessible website. But it sounds like numberonepal honestly didn't realize the general public would be able to find and access it there. A free ad with link to the site where it can be purchased would be reasonable compensation.

I'm sure the author DOES very wisely do periodic searches to see if the book has be illegally posted to publicly accessible websites. He'd be crazy not to.

18 posted on 10/08/2008 5:18:54 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: jilliane
Curiously...how many downloads to you THINK

I KNOW how many downloads there were. Since it was a PDF the download is automatic.

How did the author discover it?

Someone else informed him of the link from Google.

Your personal space does not have a password protection?

No password protection on the site. It is open to the public. Folks got to the book directly from Google.

19 posted on 10/08/2008 5:21:55 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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Are you an attorney Realism?

Im in the engineering field. Ive never had much use for an attorney's advice, but I have had to use them as a mouth piece.

20 posted on 10/08/2008 5:23:49 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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