Skip to comments.Bloggers fear Obama using the draft as loophole for slavery/indoctrination [Vanity]
Posted on 10/22/2008 2:34:35 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
One blogging group in particular is the PUMAs.
What would happen if a power-hungry President were to play tricks with the draft? Could he use the draft as an excuse to:
1. Use draftees for slave labor [in the name of 'civil service']?
2. Put adults from age 18 to 41 into reeducation camps?
These are the kinds of things that PUMAs and other bloggers fear.
What first fueled this concern was Michelle Obama in a California speech:
"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual - uninvolved, uninformed."
This is going to be our new First Lady? She's eager for her husband to force us to work [his way] and to be informed [his way]. It certainly sounds like slave labor and reeducation. What, pray tell, did her husband tell her? What other mechanism would a president Obama have than the draft itself? It sounds far fetched, but since Obama is hiding the details, what are we left to conjecture?
The clincher was Joe Biden's ominous warning:
1. A manufactured crisis within six months
2. Solutions that will cause Obama's poll ratings to plummet.
"Watch, were gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.
Here's a little more of what Biden said:
There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I dont know about that decision, Biden continued. Because if you think the decision is sound when theyre made, which I believe you will when theyre made, theyre not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if theyre popular, theyre probably not sound.
That was the last straw for some PUMAs. They smell a rat. I can't blame them. Guess who said this?
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis..." -- David Rockefeller.
PUMAs are beginning to to take notice of a Obama comment on military service at Columbia: If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some. They also noticed that Obama wants females included in the draft.
Then there was this: "I will call on a new generation of Americans to join our military.... I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots, and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their efforts connected to a common purpose."
Here is a list of blogs trying to make sense of it all:
http://blog.hillary-clintons-voice.com/is-a-military-draft-in-obamas-future-plans-2095 http://charts.technorati.com/posts/Uv1yJsfGAG3NVKDXqZ1VRzqxd7ENSSLIEBCbsWNRip0%3D http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-plans-national-draft-for-all.html http://www.rense.com/general83/obm.htm http://www.radicalleft.net/blog/_archives/2008/9/15/3885185.html http://www.victoriousopposition.com/index.php/site/comments/obama-would-draft-women-send-them-into-combat/ http://prorev.com/2008/09/obama-hints-return-of-draft.html
They fear Obama having the power of the draft. Should we?
Another website has put a lot of thought in this concern: http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/1-service.htm
And guess what name pops up? Bill Ayers. Ayers shifted from terrorism to radical indoctrination of youth through education. [That's professor material in many of today's universities.]
Bill Ayers has been practicing how to radicalize students for a long time now. It's clearly a passion of his.
Maybe these dots don't connect, but more people all the time are beginning to think they do.
“if nobody can have a gun”...that will be for everybody I’m afraid.
During the olden days of the draft - WWII and Vietnam - you were on the “list” to be drafted according to your age. When you got your draft notice, you either WENT or a couple of big, burly armed MP’s (Military Police) came to your house and told your Mammy & your Pappy they had “come for you”. You went with them either willingly or the hard way, only most men who WERE men were willing to go because they knew they had to go to save their homelands and their families. You were sent to basic training where you were handed a rifle with a bayonet, issued some gear and a cot, and trained to break things and kill people, to charge Hell with a bucket of water, or else trained from scratch on a fighter plane to drop bombs and kill people, or on a ship either as a gunner, or otherwise. A Marxist leader, Herr Hitler, had set the world on fire and meant to either kill you or rule you. - Thankfully, a lot of good men willingly but sadly and tragically, died or were wounded both physically and emotionally saving our butts from such a horrible fate. My Daddy was one of them, in N. Africa, Sicily, Italy and finally, Germany, marching into Berlin just a few minutes after Hitler committed suicide. - Now it would appear this generation of spoiled brats seem to again be mesmerized by a “godlike” figure and are actually eager to welcome a Fuerher to rule over them without firing a shot. -
Ayers and Dohrn, Farrakhan and Wright will be delighted, if only they can participate in ruling the Fourth Reich.
There are some old soldiers spinning in their graves.
Only now, it sounds a lot like there isn’t going to be an age limit on having the MP’s come after you. I’m 62, and the prospect of being “made” to do this and “made” to do that doesn’t appeal to me. I’ve worked a lifetime and “given back” considerably to my country. This is a free country, at least for now. (Re-education would not be an easy task on some of us.)
Wish I could tell you that it was paranoia.
Alas . . . I cannot.
It’s a perfectly reasonable probability.
More cannon fodder for the NWO GPTB . . . those conscripts not complying would be subjected to ever more intense brainwashing and mind-control techniques and no small amount of horrific ‘experiments.’
Those persisting in resisting would . . . cease to exist in this time/space dimension.
Depending on a number of variables, some would likely be . . .
See the quotes of our leaders since 1900 ref’d in my tagline.
Thanks for the pings at 29 & especially 45. Bill POS Ayers bump!
Check out Posting #45.
Either that, or hit it so much that he passes out. ;-)
So many don’t believe this could happen in America. You are welcome. I just want everyone to know what’s available to read, on Ayers and how Obama/Ayers connection is their philosphies on education— and their politics are same. too close.
How long will it take the Marxists in power to outlaw homeschooling? ( Just wondering.)
Marxism is our nation's **most** serious weapon. Obama is a Marxist and schools will be his most important weapon .
Why aren't there non-stop commercials informing the voters about this stuff?
I know what happened in Germany. My grandfather was killed by the Nazis in Calais. I don’t need lectures on being naive, but I guess “not possible” was the wrong way to phrase my meaning. I should have said “very unlikely”. Americans are stubborn and independent.
I can see the feds limiting sales of ammo and “assault rifles”, but any serious talk of physically removing guns from the hands of the American people would probably result in several red states threatening to break from the union. I want to say that Montana already put Congress on notice recently that they would see any infringment on the 2nd Amendment as a violation of their contract with the union. I grew up in Texas and I can assure you that we take our 2nd Amendment rights very seriously, and I don’t see that changing.
It will start with "reasonable restrictions".
Then to complete the process, all they need is a horrific event that can be used to complete it. For an example, just Google the Port Arthur Massacre in Australia, and the legislative aftermath.
And if such an event doesn't happen on its own, they'll create one. Google the Reichstag Fire for an example.
I would expect some states to resist. But, I don't expect the resistance to last long. The federal government can quickly ruin any state with economic sanctions. Anyone that resists will bec
At age 10, his gramps turned him over to the communist pedophile pervert Frank Davis. He was “mentored” for 8 years or so by the commie fudge packer.
What sort of sane person would turn his grandson over to such a monster? I can just imagine gramps saying “That’s not the Frank Davis I knew.”
People, please don’t vote for this idiot NObama. Hitler is in the works people. Pay attention to what this yoyo NObama is saying. He is one sly character and young people worship the ground he walks on. God forbid he becomes our President. Everything I hear out of his mouth spells trouble. I believe his plan is to rule the world, just like Hitler. The Jewish people best be careful who you vote for. This man in the devil incarnate. Those who think President Bush was awful, wait until you must give all your funds to Little Hitler NObama. Then you will wish President Bush were back. Why can’t young people see this man for what he is, instead of what they want him to be. Give away programs to people who don’t or won’t work, take from the middle class and make them poor. Then take from these rich Actresses and Actors and see how they like their wealth and power eroded. One thing for sure they would learn a lesson along with the rest of us. They think they are so high and mighty. I think I would like to see some of them brought to their knees. The way they talk about the Country, the President, the Military, and any other damn thing that peeks their interest. Then there is the DemoRats, who criticize everything and anything. They need to be reduced to a minimum in the political arena. I’m not saying the Republicans don’t have faults but they have more brains. I’m ranting, should quit watching TV.
Thanks for the ping!
Funny, before I even came here tonight and saw your ping, CF, I was thinking about how IF all children were required to attend the public school system and “volunteer” in public service, he essentially would be bringing back slavery. Especially IF the draft were re-instituted (as Michael Moore would like). Now, that would be ironic, wouldn’t it?
Obama: "But its also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thats not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think its important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some...
And by the way, we will deploy you in some difficult areas, but thats part of what it means to be an American and to serve and to sacrifice...
He has been telling everyone his intentions and no one has paid attention....
You addressed your post to someone else, but I want to respond... Yes, some of the theories around here are far-fetched, and I don't appreciate some of the tactics my fellow Republicans are using. It only backfires.
But this theory is a valid concern. The story doesn't start here on this thread. It goes back to a statement Obama made earlier:
QUOTE: when I'm President, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year. This means that by the time you graduate college, you'll have done 17 weeks of service.We'll reach this goal in several ways. At the middle and high school level, we'll make federal assistance conditional on school districts developing service programs, and give schools resources to offer new service opportunities. At the community level, we'll develop public-private partnerships so students can serve more outside the classroom.
I'll tell you, I see nothing wrong with requiring people to do something if they want to receive something "free" from the government from tuition grants to "free" public education. But what about those of us who elect not to receive "free" education? For example, some states have tried to outlaw homeschooling. Suppose they're successful? Then every child will be required to attend school and required to do community service. Once that policy is instituted, how far will it go eventually? We have to ask that question.
FTR, we homeschool our children, and even though we do not receive education nor tuition courtesy of the state or federal government, our children do volunteer their time in community service, without the gov't telling them to.
My son’s high school required a minimum hours of volunteer work in order to graduate. We didn’t think twice about it since he already volunteered at the animal shelter.
But the statement you reference doesn’t contain any requirements. It sets “goals” and makes federal assistance conditional on developing a program. He talks about setting up programs and giving schools resources to offer oppourtunities to volunteer. I don’t see any requirements for volunteering
The state of Alaska requires public school kids to do community service hours to graduate and the way it works here, I am pretty sure private and home schools are exempt.
He said he wants to set goals for students to perform a minimum number of hours in community service and make federal funding “conditional” - meaning federal funding will be either denied or reduced if a school does not set up these community service programs.
Of course, schools will go along with the plan in return for the federal funds. And, if these community service programs have goals attached, then the schools will require each student to do his share.
I imagine most people embracing this plan. The question is, where will it lead?
No wonder Colin Powell endorsed him. He’s all for mandatory volunteerism, isn’t he? I have a vague recollection of this from years ago.
So many people have no appreciation for freedom—what it means and the responsibilities that go with it.
I’d have no problem with it, as long as parents can opt their children out of the public school system. And, it would also depend on what type of community service is required...
I remember Powell calling for more people to volunteer, too, and other Republicans saying the same. Obama seems to want to take it further by requiring it in a roundabout way, though.
Yep, Powell’s endorsement. What a shame.
Ah, so in order to get you socialist security [retirement] check, you’ll have to work again.
Do you really think I’m maligning any existing programs outside the control of Obama and/or Ayers?
Obama’s good friend, Ayers, has been experimenting on ways to radicalize students. Chavez of Venzuala wants Ayers to overhaul his education/indoctrination program. Is Obama the kind of leader you want to expand that program?
I imagine that was part of the Eugenics mindset. [Worship of evolutionism.] But the philosophy driving modern leftists is overpopulation/climate change — they are more concerned with stamping out virility and fertility. If a homosexual manages to produce children — ‘great’. The children will pass the gene on to help thin out future virility/fertility.
Even worse — signs of intelligence because that leads to the ‘pollution’ of prosperity. So whatever they deem to be ‘genetically inferior’ is preferable. If murder is genetically ‘inspired’, then by all means, cut the murderer some slack and get him reproducing. [Of course, most people in the left are just useful idiots of misanthropic super-rich and/or ivy leaguers.]
As for being in league with terrorists — their self-destructive urges offer harmony with the goals of Islamo-facism.
“politically motivated draft would result in open revolt.”
That’s why there would first be a major crisis. Biden said, ‘within six months’.
What if a president Obama had started up the draft the day after 9-11? Not only that, he followed FDR’s footsteps with rationing cards. He could even shut down subversive media, and people would have cheered him on.
I don’t think so. Connect the dots, and remember that these people are control freaks at heart.
Yes, it would be.
What an oxymoron! :(
He’s capable of every evil of which you can conceive, and then some more:
“Linda Harvey, president of Mission America, says many parents would be frightened to know that one of Senator Obama’s top homosexual fundraisers founded a group, namely GLSEN, which has recommended books that condone sex between men and teenage boys.
“...GLSEN believes that there should be homosexual clubs in K-12 schools, that children can self-determine their own sexuality at the grade-school level, that evidently it’s fine for children to read and be exposed to many, many child corruption elements of sexuality, including the possibility of having sex with an adult,” Harvey explains...”
The reason no one stopped Hitler even after reading Mein Kampf was because ordinary, decent human beings just couldn’t believe anyone could be capable of the evil he wrote about...and when they did understand, it was too late.
Expand Service-Learning in Our Nations Schools:
In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of funds to support teachers and principals and improve student learning.
That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months.
They will develop national guidelines for service-learning and community service programs, and will give schools better tools both to develop successful programs and to document the experience of students at all levels.
They will encourage programs that engage with community partners to expand opportunities for community service and service-learning opportunities, so that students can apply what they learn in the classroom to authentic situations that help the community.
These programs will also involve citizens from the community engaging students in service opportunities through the Classroom Corps."
As Arthur Wildfire! March said the seniors will have to work for their socialist security checks, by mailing propaganda to the masses I guess.
I certainly am well past 41, but they would put my dead body in one of them, but not my walking, talking, shooting live one.
Knowing how homeschoolers hate government intrusion, I thought that pinging the list would be indicated.
While this is not necessarily a specifically homeschool related issue, it does have ramifications that could affect us greatly.
Word needs to get out about what’s in the future if obama gets in.
Interesting to note that even liberal leaning groups like the Hillary supporters of PUMA are alarmed about this because they read the meaning behind the words of Obama and Biden.
I'm all in favor of an armed populace. Matter of fact, the comments I've been hearing lately are pushing me like never before to make some serious gun and ammo purchases.
What? You honestly don’t think that the liberals wouldn’t do this if they could?
Oh, I have no doubt that homeschooling is a BIG target for the left if they get into power.
You don’t think them liberals wouldn’t do it if they could?
No. I don’t.
God bless you for fighting the good fight in education. Speaking of which:
OBAMA’S EDUCATION IDIOCY (Includes Ayers as Confidant)
“If you went back and asked, you’d be hard-pressed to find out how the money was spent.”
As it turns out, the Obama-helmed CAC was directing big bucks toward the propagation - in Chicago public schools - of the whack-job racist ideology most famously preached by Obama’s former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
What did Obama tell his wife?
“Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual - uninvolved, uninformed.”
What flavor is that Kool-aid?
BO and Mrs. BO can take their collective plans for my life and shove them.