Skip to comments.Obama's Birth Certificate -- Link Thread [Vanity]
Posted on 10/24/2008 7:54:01 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
There are lawsuits being filed in multiple states. If Obama has nothing to hide, then his behavior is foolish both politically and cash-wise [legal fees] -- it would have been easy to end speculation by simply showing his birth certificate. Among the first to challenge his qualification to be president were the PUMAs. The most well reported lawsuit is by Berg, a Hillary supporter. One of the recent shockers is that Obama's Kenyan grandmother reportedly witnessed him born in Kenya. Another shocker is that Obama was, at least technically, Islamic while in Indonesia. There is also a flimsy paper trail regarding his visa and adoption in Indonesia. What documents were shown on the internet are discredited. And Factcheck.org is not a reliable source, having ties with Annenberg.
The political aspect: BOs stonewalling makes the Birth Certificate Question alone reason enough for someone to conclude that voting for him would be irresponsible. As vigilant citizens, we are each required to vote Constitutionally. If we are not convinced that he qualifies Constitutionally, then we cannot vote for him. Its an honor thing.
Dem: Obama’s grandma confirms Kenyan birth
[Berg] has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator’s paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.”
Birth Certificate Legal Fight [Berg]
Due to Procedure, Obama and DNC Admit all Allegations
“According to Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a party upon whom requests for admissions have been served must respond, within 30 days, or else the matters in the requests will be automatically deemed conclusively admitted for purposes of the pending action.”
WND also ‘ax’ing — Obama ‘admits’ Kenyan birth?
Rush Brings Up Obama’s Birth Certificate (Text)
NRO Examines Birth Certificate
Stop the ACLU researchers examine the birth certificate debate:
[Is Frank Marshall Davis the real father? And why not end this debate by showing the copy from the vault?]
Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
FEC joins call to throw out suit against Obama (Berg’s challenge of BHO’s citizenship)
Originalism and the Natural Born Citizen Clause
Marquis V Reed - WA Sec Of State Wants Proof Of Obama’s US Citizenship
Obama’s Timeline [Bio Chronology]
The Justiciability of Eligibility: May Courts Decide Who Can Be President?
Berg on Mark Davis show [birth certificate]
Obama Birth Certificate Suit Reach Hawaiian Supreme Court
Joining Birth Certificate Lawsuits, ANOTHER motion is filed; this time in Utah
Obama’s birth stirs legal action in Washington
In Depth Youtube on Birth Certificate[six minutes]
[analysis of an anonymous COLB buff: All the information in the youtube video is accurate! Jr was adopted by Lolo Soetoro when Lolo married his mother, Ann, in 1966. At that time Indonesia was a police state and the only way jr could have gone to school was if he was an Indonesian citizen. Ann and jr followed Lolo to Indonesia in 1967 where he was enrolled in school by his adopted name(Barry Soetoro) and the religion of his step-father. (Islam) There are no records of Barry Soetoro legally changing his name back to Barack (pronounced Bear ick by his real father) if that ever was his name! There is also no record of him going before a judge for naturalization which he would have needed to have done because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship!]
The Saga of the Missing Birth Certificate carries on...the plot thickens
American Thinker —
This could be the game changer (updated) [10 minute youtube about BO’s birth cert.]
OBAMA BORN IN KENYA?
“I have received information that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals. I am told that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.”
Berg Response in Oppostion to Obama / DNC protective Order
[Can’t anything about this man be straight forward? Even his birth certificate ...]
DEAD BY ELECTION DAY (from SLATE, not incendiary; what if president-elect cannot serve?)
[Birth Certificate debate]
Ineligibility for the Presidency (Obama’s Birth Certificate)
[Constitutional considerations — well thought out]
Key word: birthcertificate
Suppose he DOESN’T have a legitimate birth certificate - he couldn’t produce it.
Suppose he HAD a legitimate birth certificate. At this point, until tjhe courts make an issue of it (the media never will) there is no incentive for him to produce it. Few people consider it an issue - apparently. But then what?
If he ISN’T an American citizen, does Hillary waltze in and take over as the great uniter and get elected at the last minute and by default?
We are better off contesting him on the issues and beating him on the issues and later going after him for fraud if he is not a citizen.
I PRAY this is not a TRAP for us......I don’t think it is but the Democrats are EVIL AND VILE!
My guess is that he was born in Hawaii but that there is something else very embarrassing on that certificate. A birth name, maybe.
But it’s all just speculation, isn’t it? that’s what people do when the facts are hidden - they speculate.
There would be rat chaos at this point if he’s that bad off. McCain would be the only solid leader to turn to.
His stonewalling tactics only make him look bad. Even if everything’s legit at this point, so long as McCain/Palin stay out of it, Obama’s clearly bringing this on himself.
I cannot see this being a trap because it is only getting play in the conservative blogosphere. I haven't heard one iota about this on the tube.
Exactly! I think those who are saying he was born outside the country are not thinking right. You couldn’t hide that very long. There is something on the certificate like “Barack Muhammed Hussein Obama,” or some other name completely, that’s what this is about.
There are some discussion threads linked above that get into that. FRegards ....
What else could be embarrassing? His middle name is “Hussein” for crying out loud. If that doesn’t faze at least 40% of voters, nothing will. I still believe McCain/Palin win 54-46.
I think the tie with Annenberg means relatively little, if anything. What makes factcheck less than reliable is the obvious bias of those who work there.
Actaully, it’s his job to convince the voter that he’s qualified. Factcheck.org [Annenberg] doesn’t count. So he’s zip, nadda, Zero on the most fundamental part of running. I don’t think it’s ‘fringe’ to question his factcheck.org creds.
While I won’t vote for Obama for any reasons, it has nothing to do with this. And if I were to discount an organization due to their “connections”, I would discount every organization. I sure as hell am not defending Obama, but the photos on FactCheck are pretty damned compelling. And if we continue to cherry pick our facts we get nowhere. Is it possible that he wasn’t born in the U.S.? Sure. If I were advising Obama (I’m a former atty and judge) would I have him turn over any more information than he already has? No. Why? Because he doesn’t have to and it just burns up the energy of the other side. Also, if you give up information every time you are sued, well, people are encouraged to sue you.
And I also really don’t care what someone’s religion is. That would be like condemning me, as a Christian, because of the crusades or claiming I am a pedophile because I am a catholic. While, of necessity, when we first get to know people we will apply the characteristics of their “group” or “culture” so we can interact, in order to succeed we then need to adjust based upon the actions of that individual.
So far, the jumping up and down and pointing at Obama as “whatever” approach just hasn’t worked. If it has, please point me in the direction of some real analysis by someone objective to prove me wrong.
So what have we done? Nothing except finger pointing on issues about which no one cares. The McCain campaign is nothing more than a dart with a dartboard. And as much as we would like people to think like us, the majority doesn’t any more than the majority doesn’t think like liberals. But if we hope to persuade, this approach we have chosen just isn’t going to work.
Thanks for the great info!
You might want to add last nights interview with Berg on Savage Nation.
The interview is timely and has a good overview with no commercials.
Please ignore the usuall Savage Dribble.
I PRAY this is not a TRAP for us......I dont think it is but the Democrats are EVIL AND VILE!
Last I knew it was: Demonrat vs. Demonrat
Do you know something I don’t ?
He will have one in a few hours....Soros isnt about to let a COLB stop him from seizing the US government when he is this close.
Obama, Bill Ayers, and FactCheck.Org: all Have ties to Annenberg.
Thank you for the link! I’m glad to hear that Savage is doing something helpful. =]
Thank you FV!
I agree - I don’t think it’s fringe.
I just don’t want people to get their hopes up.
Bottom line: something is seriously wrong with that document.
While others are trying to paint this topic as ‘fringe’, I’m simply pointing out that there’s nothing unreasonable in saying that it’s Obama’s job to convince voters that he qualifies. And it’s a matter of honor not to vote for someone who has failed to convince you he’s qualified. What’s fringe about being Constitutional?
I know. I don't think that is the issue. After all Walter Annenberg was a close friend of Ronald Reagan.
With these big sources of money, IMO it's not who you can link in some way to the foundation, it's the track record of the specific people who have the grant in question.
That’s as good a guess as any: Muhammed in the name.
“After all Walter Annenberg was a close friend of Ronald Reagan.”
Would Reagan have been a friend of Ayers? That’s not much of a point. Annenberg, just like many universities, is radicalized.
OH I know. I wasn’t picking on you so much as expressing my frustration of hoping for a silver bullet which I think hasn’t helped us. And, I, of course, could be wrong. But this sure looks dead end to me. But then again, I don’t have to litigate it. I can just sit back and watch. hehe
Effective leadership does not sit and wait until a problem explodes to do something about it. The effective leader will seek out such problems and deal with them at an early stage.
Witness John McCain's handling of his birth in the Canal Zone. He was sued about the matter, went to Congress, explained the situation, and Congress returned with a certification that he met the 'natural born' requirement specified in the Constitution. The lawsuit was then dismissed and the matter resolved definitively.
Now consider Barack Obama's handling of the situation. He ignored this problem at the outset (and the MSM willingly kept the matter quiet), and as it grew he kept ignoring it. He was sued about the matter (and the MSM willingly kept the suit quiet), and did not respond to the plaintiff's claims, except to request a dismissal. The fundamental problem was not dealt with, it was ignored. This is breaking into the public consciousness now (despite the MSM effort to suppress it) and may be a HUGE problem if he is actually elected. If he then produces a valid birth certificate, his game of rope-a-dope will be seen for what it is, a display of exceptionally bad judgement. If he does not produce a valid birth certificate, we have a situation that we have never had before, a man elected president that may not be eligible to be president. He is a lawyer; he is not stupid. He knows the implications and perhaps he hopes he can bluff his way through the matter. But that also shows a desire for power so great that all other considerations are set aside, a highly undesirable trait in a leader.
If that is his management style (roll the dice and see what comes up), it is a weakness of which foreign leaders will rightfully take advantage. That will lead to repeated crises in the international arena as everyone will take advantage of this perceived weakness to advance their own interests at the expense of the US and our allies.
All the big trusts were established by conservatives.
It’s the administrators that have seized effective control that are a little to the left of Karl Marx.
Is it going to take a full half hour of network primetime TV to explain it?
Ayers ended up on the board of the Annenberg challenge despite his radical past. In recent decades, he's become a respected university professor. Conservative Republicans, such as the President of Northwestern University also worked with Ayers on the Annenberg Challenge. The "X is connected to Ayers therefore X is evil" ends up tarring a lot of descent people like Walter Annenberg unfairly.
The fact that this tenuous association is such a critical part of Berg's case makes it pretty suspect. If I recall correctly, a case on these grounds has already been thrown out in PA; Berg and his ilk are just spamming the courts with cases. I don't think the people filing these cases even expect to win, they just want to keep this rumor in the news cycle. It's pretty sleazy and I think there are real issues, such as Obama's spending increases that we should be focusing on.
The COLB was also verified by several newspapers. I believe the St. Petersburg Times was one.
Thanks. From a quick scan, this presents evidence, which the Obama campaign could seemingly rebut quite easily - yet they choose not to.
They must think, therefore, that there’s more benefit in keeping the document under wraps, even though the cost is this continued controversy.
Yes, I know the MSM isn’t covering it.
[The “X is connected to Ayers therefore X is evil” ends up tarring a lot of descent people like Walter Annenberg unfairly. The fact that this tenuous association is such a critical part of Berg’s case makes it pretty suspect.]
Nonsense. If Annenberg wasn’t a friend of Ayers, then his reputation is intact. Facts are facts. The fact is that factcheck.org should have recused itself. The fact that BO clings to factcheck.org makes HIM suspect. Why can’t he just show us the vault copy of his birth certificate and be done with this?
While others are trying to paint this topic as fringe, Im simply pointing out that theres nothing unreasonable in saying that its Obamas job to convince voters that he qualifies. And its a matter of honor not to vote for someone who has failed to convince you hes qualified. Whats fringe about being Constitutional?Everyone owns their own vote and can decide whom to vote for on whatever grounds they want. You can oppose Obama because you don't like his haircut.
Obama has met his Constitutional obligation by producing the COLB. This issue is intended to drive perception (and it's not working at all). It's fringe because it has nothing to do with the Constitution.
Well, at least the opponents are entertaining....
Joe “Plugs” Biden plugs for THE VILLAGES retirement community....
One minute, one document, and this debate is over.
This is my guess too...I read an article that surmises that perhaps his name is "Barry Dunham" on his birth certificate and he doesn't want anyone to know. He then would have changed his name upon a muslim conversion. That or a Kenyan birth are the only reasons I can think of that would make it worth NOT putting forth his birth certificate.But like you said...WHO KNOWS??
For goodness sake. Beg was on Savage last night. Rush broached it yesterday. Berg also talked with Mark Davis. What’s the dead end?
Republicans are just lousy at food fights - no stomach for it. They always get upset by the mess. Dems just let fly and wait for everybody to get bored and leave. Then, the Republicans come in and P & M about having to clean up the mess, but they do it.
“If that is his management style (roll the dice and see what comes up), it is a weakness of which foreign leaders will rightfully take advantage.”
Well put from a military mind. Thank you for serving!
Not enough attention to this is being made. We need more coverage of this in addition to FR. He will be in office and it will be too late. I smell Cover up !!
Not enough attention to this is being made. We need more coverage of this in addition to FR. He will be in office and it will be too late. I smell Cover up !!
“Obama has met his Constitutional obligation by producing the COLB.”
Who saw it?
We have another problem:
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