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Me | 10/28/2008 | Robert Branch

Posted on 10/29/2008 6:25:59 AM PDT by Robert Branch

I am a Reagan Conservative. I came of age in my political thought during Reagan’s rise and was inspired by his faith in people and the love of our Country. I think it was Reagan who said, “If people have a choice between a Democrat and a Democrat, they will always choose the Democrat”. What I always took this to mean is People will always chose the candidate who held strong beliefs in core political values over the middle of the road candidate.

The choice in this election is between a Democrat and a democrat (little d intentional). It is October 28, 2008 and I do not yet know for whom I will vote. I am as mad as hell.

Obama is a Democrat to the core. He unabashedly promotes their cause. McCain is at best a moderate Democrat who calls himself a Republican. Other than security issues, McCain has shown repeatedly, he is willing to change his vote, if not his views, to appease the other side.

I believe that this nation has lost its way. Led by business people without a sense of obligation to do anything for country. People once built a business in hopes of making a product that would provide a profit and in turn profit the community and country as well. In the past corporations such as NCR, GE or GM would never have considered conducting business in a manner destructive to the community to which they belonged or the country they lived. Could you ever imagine GE doing business with any country that was considered an enemy during any previous war? That has changed. Today corporations such as GE only exist to make a buck and everything is on the table if the bottom line is improved. That is why we had companies like GE helping Iran with their nuclear program and investors betting on the failure of the housing market while setting up its ultimate failure only to make obscene amounts of money. All in the name of enriching them and the Corporations they serve but at the expense of country and honor. Factory and Auto Jobs gone to Mexico and China, but the crash and failure of those corporations is to be paid for by our taxes to now bail them out. Where is obligation and morality?

Obama or McCain will not influence in any way the path we follow with regard to moral issues. No matter what the law is. People will or will not seek out an abortion based on their own moral compass. Issues such as abortion and same sex marriage are changed in the heart of people based on their relationship with their God. Institutions and their allowances or mandates only reflect the hearts of the masses they serve. Institutions will only change when the desires of the people are influenced by personal morality. We should not waste or efforts fighting laws that allow people to make the wrong moral choice for no law will ever stop that, but rather we should demand the removal of laws that prevent or punish us for doing the right thing.

This Nations attitude concerning these moral issues are not the result of bad Government, rather the moderation of ones own beliefs to make our lives more convenient, which are then, supported by our Churches. A Church that does not rail against followers who openly support matters completely contrary to what is right and wrong or against the doctrine of their church is not a church but a weekend support group.

My dilemma. To vote for a Democrat or an in name only Republican that may crush any hope of Reagan conservatism returning.


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I am a Reagan Conservative. I came of age in my political thought during Reagan’s rise and was inspired by his faith in people and the love of our Country. I think it was Reagan who said, “If people have a choice between a Democrat and a Democrat, they will always choose the Democrat”. What I always took this to mean is People will always chose the candidate who held strong beliefs in core political values over the middle of the road candidate.

The choice in this election is between a Democrat and a democrat (little d intentional). It is October 28, 2008 and I do not yet know for whom I will vote. I am as mad as hell.

Obama is a Democrat to the core. He unabashedly promotes their cause. McCain is at best a moderate Democrat who calls himself a Republican. Other than security issues, McCain has shown repeatedly, he is willing to change his vote, if not his views, to appease the other side.

I believe that this nation has lost its way. Led by business people without a sense of obligation to do anything for country. People once built a business in hopes of making a product that would provide a profit and in turn profit the community and country as well. In the past corporations such as NCR, GE or GM would never have considered conducting business in a manner destructive to the community to which they belonged or the country they lived. Could you ever imagine GE doing business with any country that was considered an enemy during any previous war? That has changed. Today corporations such as GE only exist to make a buck and everything is on the table if the bottom line is improved. That is why we had companies like GE helping Iran with their nuclear program and investors betting on the failure of the housing market while setting up its ultimate failure only to make obscene amounts of money. All in the name of enriching them and the Corporations they serve but at the expense of country and honor. Factory and Auto Jobs gone to Mexico and China, but the crash and failure of those corporations is to be paid for by our taxes to now bail them out. Where is obligation and morality?

Obama or McCain will not influence in any way the path we follow with regard to moral issues. No matter what the law is. People will or will not seek out an abortion based on their own moral compass. Issues such as abortion and same sex marriage are changed in the heart of people based on their relationship with their God. Institutions and their allowances or mandates only reflect the hearts of the masses they serve. Institutions will only change when the desires of the people are influenced by personal morality. We should not waste or efforts fighting laws that allow people to make the wrong moral choice for no law will ever stop that, but rather we should demand the removal of laws that prevent or punish us for doing the right thing.

This Nations attitude concerning these moral issues are not the result of bad Government, rather the moderation of ones own beliefs to make our lives more convenient, which are then, supported by our Churches. A Church that does not rail against followers who openly support matters completely contrary to what is right and wrong or against the doctrine of their church is not a church but a weekend support group.

My dilemma. To vote for a Democrat or an in name only Republican that may crush any hope of Reagan conservatism returning.

1 posted on 10/29/2008 6:26:00 AM PDT by Robert Branch
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To: Robert Branch

Welcome to FR.

Must vote McCain. Get him across the finish line. If the Conservatives lead him to a victory, he cannot ignore us. We will not always agree with him, but he will put his country first.


2 posted on 10/29/2008 6:35:17 AM PDT by arichtaxpayer (We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.)
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To: Robert Branch; Old Sarge; darkwing104

Here kitty kitty kitty


3 posted on 10/29/2008 6:40:51 AM PDT by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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To: Robert Branch

Maybe you could write in Reagan and hope he wins.


4 posted on 10/29/2008 6:43:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Robert Branch

We have a choice between bigger government and even bigger government. If Obama wasn’t so scary, I’d be staying home on election day. As it is, I have to vote for McCain, only because Obama has to be stopped. I don’t have any faith that McCain will even slow the growth of government, let alone shrink it, but I suspect he will not accelerate its growth as much as Obama will.

I don’t think he will attribute his victory to his getting conservatives on board. He’s been aiming at the undecided voters from day one, all three of them. He’s too brain addled to realize how few of them there are, or how many conservatives there are.

Some see this as a watershed election. I see it as more of a waterfall election. Either boat will take us down. One faster than the other.


5 posted on 10/29/2008 6:46:12 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Robert Branch
Issues such as abortion and same sex marriage are changed in the heart of people ... We should not waste or efforts fighting laws that allow people to make the wrong moral choice for no law will ever stop that

And you call yourself a Reagan Conservative? Fat chance.

6 posted on 10/29/2008 6:47:03 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Robert Branch
My dilemma. To vote for a Democrat or an in name only Republican that may crush any hope of Reagan conservatism returning.

Your real dilemna is to either vote for a Socialist, or a Republican with some Conservative tendencies. Electing the Socialist with a liberal Congress could do more damage in 4 years than either one of us could dream up. If you are a Reagan Conservative, you already know the selection you'll make.
7 posted on 10/29/2008 6:47:20 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene
You can vote for Mavericks, or for these guys:


8 posted on 10/29/2008 6:49:08 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Socialists are not inspired by success and achievement - they are diminished in its presence.)
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To: Enduring Freedom
LOL. That's a new one to me. Here's another "Marx Bro's" combo.


9 posted on 10/29/2008 6:59:35 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Robert Branch
I am a Reagan Conservative.BS I came of age in my political thought during Reagan’s rise and was inspired by his faith in people and the love of our Country. I think it was Reagan who said, “If people have a choice between a Democrat and a Democrat, they will always choose the Democrat”. What I always took this to mean is People will always chose the candidate who held strong beliefs in core political values over the middle of the road candidate.Reagan also called the Soviet Union an Evil Empire and would slap you silly for considering voting for someone who represented their values over- albeit a moderate, still a true American. You run every play in a football game for a touchdown, sometimes you have to simply hold your yardage and wait for a better play. It is better than walking off the field.

The choice in this election is between a Democrat and a democrat (little d intentional). It is October 28, 2008 and I do not yet know for whom I will vote. I am as mad as hell.I'll take a Harry Truman styled Democrat over an ObamaAyers Marxist any day.

Obama is a Democrat to the core.No, he is a marxist, plain and simple. Old school democrats like my grandmother don't recognize what he is. He unabashedly promotes their cause. Yes he does, but their is now not just Democrats, but Soros/Ayers/Rezko/Raynes leftists, far off the deep end of what traditional democrats believe.McCain is at best a moderate Democrat who calls himself a Republican. Other than security issues, McCain has shown repeatedly, he is willing to change his vote, if not his views, to appease the other side.Funny, the talking points have changed, just a few months ago he was an inflexible, stubborn SOB.

I believe that this nation has lost its way...and yet, your solution, if you are lost, is to just hand it over to the left- smooth move Ex-Lax.Led by business people without a sense of obligation to do anything for country.Business' responsibility is to her shareholders. We as consumers and shareholders dictate their direction. People once built a business in hopes of making a product that would provide a profit and in turn profit the community and country as well.They still do In the past corporations such as NCR, GE or GM would never have considered conducting business in a manner destructive to the community to which they belonged or the country they lived.They don't, they follow the market. They provide far more to this country than you ever will. Could you ever imagine GE doing business with any country that was considered an enemy during any previous war? I guess with all your comments about Reagan, you forgot his quote that 'Countries that trade goods don't trade bullets.That has changed.No it hasn't Today corporations such as GE only exist to make a buck and everything is on the table if the bottom line is improved. Quick lesson for you, they are businesses, not charities. That is why we had companies like GE helping Iran with their nuclear program debunked myth, quit reading MoveOn. GE sold parts that it was legal to sell and are not part of a 'nuclear' program.and investors betting on the failure of the housing market while setting up its ultimate failure only to make obscene amounts of money. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you? All in the name of enriching them and the Corporations they serveBusiness or charity, which is it? but at the expense of country and honor.Another BS statement, when businesses prosper, the country prosper. The government is not a profit producing industry. Factory and Auto Jobs gone to Mexico and China, but the crash and failure of those corporations is to be paid for by our taxes to now bail them out. Where is obligation and morality?They go to China, Mexico etc, because of liberal policies like over regulation and high business taxes make it more realistic to take those jobs elsewhere. You pretty much just made the case for McCain over Obambi with this one little section.

Obama or McCain will not influence in any way the path we follow with regard to moral issues.The job is Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces, not Pope. They do, however, select judges which influence legislative issues for decades. No matter what the law is. People will or will not seek out an abortion based on their own moral compass. Issues such as abortion and same sex marriage are changed in the heart of people based on their relationship with their God. If one chooses to murder a child, even if it is legal, God's view doesn't change. Institutions and their allowances or mandates only reflect the hearts of the masses they serve. Institutions will only change when the desires of the people are influenced by personal morality. Guess what, over 50% of people in this country oppose abortion, yet courts block or turn over most votes. We should not waste or efforts fighting laws that allow people to make the wrong moral choice for no law will ever stop that, but rather we should demand the removal of laws that prevent or punish us for doing the right thing.Abortion is far more than a moral choice, it is murder and slavery. It takes the life of a unique individual with unique DNA, not a tissue mass. It gives one person the right of ownership of the life of another person.

This Nations attitude concerning these moral issues are not the result of bad Government, rather the moderation of ones own beliefs to make our lives more convenient, which are then, supported by our Churches. A Church that does not rail against followers who openly support matters completely contrary to what is right and wrong or against the doctrine of their church is not a church but a weekend support group...and any of this has what to do with your original conflict on who to choose as President?

My dilemma. To vote for a Democrat or an in name only Republican that may crush any hope of Reagan conservatism returning.The choice is obvious for any real Conservative. To hand the keys over to a Marxist is suicide. McCain may not be perfect, but compared to the Obmessiah, the choice is obvious.

Oh yea, and don't give me any of this Chuckey "Truther" Baldwin, or Bob "ACLU" Barr crap if you are complaining about how left McCain is. Those nuts make McCain look like a saint.

10 posted on 10/29/2008 7:02:13 AM PDT by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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To: Girlene

Who does John “socalist/mortgage bailout” McCain play? Shemp?


11 posted on 10/29/2008 7:02:22 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Robert Branch
robert branch - Chicago Weekly Sitting Meditation Group- Meet other local people who practice Meditation. Disucss techniques, philosophies and schools of thought.?????
12 posted on 10/29/2008 7:05:42 AM PDT by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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To: mnehrling

What you said!


13 posted on 10/29/2008 7:12:01 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Robert Branch

Sorry, but a Reagan conservative wouldn’t chance the future of the country OR the conservative movement by voting for a Marxist. No, McCain wasn’t my first choice, but I’ll vote for him and his supposed little “d” democrat before I’ll “chance it” and vote for a socialist who, with a majority in both houses, would bring utter ruin to this country and all it stands for.


14 posted on 10/29/2008 7:15:11 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: Right Cal Gal
I'll vote for him and his supposed little “d” democrat before I’ll “chance it” and vote for a socialist

Correction if you are voting for McCain, you are voting for a socialist. Heck, he even defended his vote for the trillion dollar bailouts yet again on Meet the Price last Sunday Anyone who voted for that is a socialist pure and simple.

BTW, if he hasn't already look for McCain to endorse the bailouts of the auto industry. I'd rather have an outright socialist in office than a socialsit who pretends to believe in the free market. The alleged defenders of the free market in the Republican leadership have done more in the last year to undermine support for free markets than all the Democrats combined.

15 posted on 10/29/2008 7:21:24 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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my watch is slow, or this this troll 2 minutes late?

They are sooooo predictable now.

Notice how the trolls have common themes in their waves.

first it is palin is gone rouge, then romeny this or that, now it is “don’t vote”.

just zot him and be don with it.

no more feeding the trolls.


16 posted on 10/29/2008 7:22:23 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Captain Kirk
Looks like Captain Kirk is back to playing red shirt.


17 posted on 10/29/2008 7:24:33 AM PDT by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Every election cycle there is a group of either liberal trolls or whiners that try to split the base. The former is easy to identify, the latter is, my bet a group of folks who are actually rooting for a Marxist to win so they can say ‘see I told you so’ and play wild west.


18 posted on 10/29/2008 7:25:52 AM PDT by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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To: Robert Branch
Since 2008-10-29

Bull! No way do I vote for the Marxist over Palin. BTW, no way do many, many of the the white over 40 democrats who have never voted anything but democrat I know vote for the Marxist.

19 posted on 10/29/2008 7:26:28 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Captain Kirk
I'd rather have an outright socialist in office than a socialsit who pretends to believe in the free market.

Well I'd rather this country have a fighting chance. If you want to give up, go for it.
20 posted on 10/29/2008 7:28:53 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Robert Branch; timpad; TBarnett34; MeekOneGOP; PetroniDE; Lady Jag; mhking; glock rocks; ...
Wow, A Vanity from a seminary poster...What say the kitties...

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . . don't be shy.

21 posted on 10/29/2008 2:52:46 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Robert Branch

Welcome to FR.
McCain is not our first or best choice. The alternative to him, however is a Socialist thug who will completely ruin what remains of this great country of ours.

SO:

Vote McCain/Palin


22 posted on 10/29/2008 2:57:23 PM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built - the funk you see is the funk you do)
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To: Robert Branch
Your thought sucked and you should have kept it to yourself TROLL.


23 posted on 10/29/2008 2:58:59 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If You Have A BRAIN - You'll Vote For MCCAIN)
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To: Robert Branch

24 posted on 10/29/2008 3:00:33 PM PDT by JRios1968 (Sarah Palin smash Hulk!)
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To: Robert Branch

We can move McCain. obamalamadingdong will be a good socialist/marxist. no movement.


25 posted on 10/29/2008 3:00:44 PM PDT by dynachrome (Mohamed yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: darkwing104

ibtz


26 posted on 10/29/2008 3:01:47 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Robert Branch

27 posted on 10/29/2008 3:03:06 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Reagan-1976 Palin-2008)
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To: Robert Branch
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28 posted on 10/29/2008 3:03:27 PM PDT by JRios1968 (Sarah Palin smash Hulk!)
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29 posted on 10/29/2008 3:03:56 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I'm Joe the Plumber! I can flush the system of the Obama crap!)
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To: Robert Branch; darkwing104; Old Sarge

Newbie with a vanity?

When did they start allowing that?


30 posted on 10/29/2008 3:04:12 PM PDT by SmithL (Drill Dammit!)
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To: darkwing104
Looks like ban-bait from here.


31 posted on 10/29/2008 3:06:07 PM PDT by callisto (CONGRESS.EXE corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: Robert Branch

32 posted on 10/29/2008 3:06:38 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Thank You Troops)
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To: Robert Branch

THBPBPBPBPBPBPPPPPTHHH!


33 posted on 10/29/2008 3:07:30 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I just let my mind wander and it didn't come back.)
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To: Robert Branch; darkwing104; MaggieCarta; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; ..
Wow, A Vanity from a seminary poster...What say the kitties...

I dunno. The poster's views are legit. I don't think the poster is a troll, but a newbie posting a vanity like this (no matter how legit) is asking for trouble.

. . . . .

Otherwise, to the thread poster...welcome to FR.

34 posted on 10/29/2008 3:10:18 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: Robert Branch; MaggieCarta; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; ..
Other than security issues, McCain has shown repeatedly, he is willing to change his vote, if not his views, to appease the other side.

Bump!

35 posted on 10/29/2008 3:11:58 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: Robert Branch
To vote for a Democrat or an in name only Republican that may crush any hope of Reagan conservatism returning.

Palin is conservative.

Voting dem will only bury the country for good.

With people like Palin on the ticket, it shows that there's still hope.

36 posted on 10/29/2008 3:12:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Robert Branch

Signing up today, making a single questionable post, and not responding to any posts to you spells....T-R-O-L-L.

A word to the wise if your not.


37 posted on 10/29/2008 3:14:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SmithL
There has been way too many vanities recently but the disclaimer first sentence of this one pinged my B.S. meter...This come out of the mouth of seminary trained phony conservative rats call up radio talk shows


38 posted on 10/29/2008 3:14:46 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Robert Branch
Obama is a Democrat to the core.

Nuff said!!!

MCCAIN/PALIN 08!!!!

39 posted on 10/29/2008 3:14:53 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (We learn from history that we do not learn anything from history.)
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To: Captain Kirk
BTW, if he hasn't already look for McCain to endorse the bailouts of the auto industry.

He already started in August:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066502/posts

I'd rather have an outright socialist in office than a socialsit who pretends to believe in the free market. The alleged defenders of the free market in the Republican leadership have done more in the last year to undermine support for free markets than all the Democrats combined.

Me too. McCain and the other pretend conservatives do much to impugn and to discredit conservativism, so when they fail, guess what, folks will stop listening and turn to the real dark side.

40 posted on 10/29/2008 3:15:58 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: Robert Branch

Trollage is as trollage does....


41 posted on 10/29/2008 3:16:23 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Robert Branch

I’m not a fan of McCain’s either, but I can stomach 4 yrs of him to get Gov Palin as the CIC. Democrats in the White House are out of the question. Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, Frank, Dodd et al are already sure of a super majority and are planning accordingly. They need to be slapped down. I pray conservatives do just that Nov 4.


42 posted on 10/29/2008 3:20:20 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I'm disinclined to tgtcquiesce to your request.)
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To: Robert Branch
Issues such as abortion and same sex marriage are changed in the heart of people based on their relationship with their God.

True enough.

We should not waste or efforts fighting laws that allow people to make the wrong moral choice for no law will ever stop that, but rather we should demand the removal of laws that prevent or punish us for doing the right thing.

It's not a waste of time. We have an obligation to keep up the moral standards set by those who came before us and which made this country great.

43 posted on 10/29/2008 3:20:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: darkwing104
A Vanity from a seminary poster...

Which seminary???

44 posted on 10/29/2008 3:22:13 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (The Global Warming Heretic -- http://AGW-Heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: Robert Branch
Whats so hard about the choice for president? I voted yesterday and knew how I was going to vote for some time now. If either of the candidates say anything within the n3ext week that will sway your decision in the election, your vote should be disqualified on account of you being to stupid.

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45 posted on 10/29/2008 3:28:36 PM PDT by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: mnehrling

ROTFLMAO... I am just crackin up ovah hear!!! LMAO Dam that was funny! LOL THANK YOU!


46 posted on 10/29/2008 3:38:45 PM PDT by Danae (Obama = Trickle up Poverty. Don't like it, get ready to be"reeducated" into it if he is elected.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Should of said Seminar poster...

Seminar


47 posted on 10/29/2008 3:41:42 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Robert Branch; darkwing104; Old Sarge
I am a Reagan Conservative.

No sense reading further. Not when the writer can't tell the truth.

IBTZ!

48 posted on 10/29/2008 3:58:40 PM PDT by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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To: Robert Branch
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49 posted on 10/29/2008 4:07:54 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: bcsco
Googling "Robert Branch"...comes up with

Sincere Bka Robert Branch

Looks like an ACORN worker to me.....

50 posted on 10/29/2008 4:15:49 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I'm Joe the Plumber! I can flush the system of the Obama crap!)
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