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What are the best books out there on why socialism blows?
me | 11-1-08 | Houmatt

Posted on 11/01/2008 6:13:42 AM PDT by Houmatt

I have a friend who is talking about how socialism "works." She needs to be taken down a peg or two but I don't know where to start. Any suggestions?


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1 posted on 11/01/2008 6:13:42 AM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt
Ayn Rand's “Atlas Shrugged”

Miton Friedman's “Free to Chose”

2 posted on 11/01/2008 6:14:51 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Houmatt
I've got this edition...

The Road to Serfdom

3 posted on 11/01/2008 6:15:29 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Houmatt

“The Road to Serfdom” by Hayek


4 posted on 11/01/2008 6:15:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: mewzilla

GMTA


5 posted on 11/01/2008 6:16:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Houmatt

Easiest solution: “Animal Farm”


6 posted on 11/01/2008 6:16:43 AM PDT by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a Constitution...)
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To: Houmatt
Tell them to go live in France or England for six months.

Cheers!

7 posted on 11/01/2008 6:16:47 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Houmatt
Well, this will be fun. The list is long. But I think too few people are aware of Armando Valladares’s book AGAINST ALL HOPE. It tells of how Castro turned Cuba into an inhuman disaster. Another great book that too few people have read is Paul Johnson's MODERN TIMES. Reading it will give anyone a great understanding of the 20th Century and the horrors of the state, especially when the state is in the hands of what Mr. Johnson refers to as the “gangster statesmen.” I look forward to seeing some of the other suggestions on this thread.
8 posted on 11/01/2008 6:17:49 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama ready on day one to bring Kenyan style democracy to America.)
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To: wintertime

Fredrich Hayek “Road To Serfdom”

http://www.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-Documents-Definitive-Collected/dp/0226320553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225545286&sr=8-1

An unimpeachable classic work in political philosophy, intellectual and cultural history, and economics, The Road to Serfdom has inspired and infuriated politicians, scholars, and general readers for half a century. Originally published in 1944—when Eleanor Roosevelt supported the efforts of Stalin, and Albert Einstein subscribed lock, stock, and barrel to the socialist program—The Road to Serfdom was seen as heretical for its passionate warning against the dangers of state control over the means of production. For F. A. Hayek, the collectivist idea of empowering government with increasing economic control would lead not to a utopia but to the horrors of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.

First published by the University of Chicago Press on September 18, 1944, The Road to Serfdom garnered immediate, widespread attention. The first printing of 2,000 copies was exhausted instantly, and within six months more than 30,000 books were sold. In April 1945, Reader’s Digest published a condensed version of the book, and soon thereafter the Book-of-the-Month Club distributed this edition to more than 600,000 readers. A perennial best seller, the book has sold 400,000 copies in the United States alone and has been translated into more than twenty languages, along the way becoming one of the most important and influential books of the century.


9 posted on 11/01/2008 6:17:53 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: Houmatt

What book? Just show her Russia. That is the next step beyond Socialism.

And I mean pre-Putin Russia. Pre-Reagan Russia. Where there is seperation of church and state and the “stupid Christian right” didn’t have any kind of hold on the government. Most lefties applaud that. But also point out that NO religion was tolerated. They think communism and socialism is some sort of Utopia, but nothing comes without a price.

My parents paid my bills growing up, but part of the trade off of that was “As long as you live under my roof...” and I had to obey.

Now ask if they want that from an unescapable government. You can’t move out if you don’t like the rules. Part of communism is that they own you and don’t take kindly to losing their property. That’s another thing that the “I want my money” socialists don’t realize. What is the difference between communism and slavery? Well, not much.


10 posted on 11/01/2008 6:17:55 AM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Houmatt
The Gulag Archipelago.
11 posted on 11/01/2008 6:18:27 AM PDT by Paul Heinzman
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To: Houmatt

“Darkness at Noon” Arthur Koestler


12 posted on 11/01/2008 6:18:55 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: autumnraine

Whitaker Chambers “Witness”


13 posted on 11/01/2008 6:19:13 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: ClearCase_guy

LOL. I’m having a good brain day :)


14 posted on 11/01/2008 6:20:10 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Houmatt

Eat the Rich by P.J. O’Rourke. It’s very funny and accessible to the general reader.


15 posted on 11/01/2008 6:20:34 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: Houmatt

You don’t need her to read anything. Just skip right to her point: ask her to share all her money with you.

Most leftists, particularly the celebrity type, only want to redistribute OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY.


16 posted on 11/01/2008 6:22:03 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: grey_whiskers
Tell them to go live in France or England for six months.

You're not kidding. I spent six months out of the country back in '86. Best thing that ever happened to me. I was still a flaming lib for quite a while afterwards, but looking back at it I can tell you that's when the seeds were sown for my conversion to conservatism.

17 posted on 11/01/2008 6:23:34 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Houmatt
“Vision of the Anointed” Thomas Sowell
18 posted on 11/01/2008 6:23:36 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: mewzilla; ClearCase_guy

I just bought that one. Is it tough to get through or an easy read?


19 posted on 11/01/2008 6:24:02 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Houmatt
"The Road to Serfdom" by Hayek

"Atlas Shrugged", and "We the Living" by Ayn Rand (who lived in Russia and experienced the aftermath of the Russian Revolution before her family got out)

20 posted on 11/01/2008 6:26:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Houmatt
I recommend The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich (who would know socialism better than a Russian dissident?). Among other things, it demolishes the fantasy that socialism is modern or "progressive" by showing that the slave states of ancient Egypt and Babylon were essentially socialist.
21 posted on 11/01/2008 6:27:21 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: denydenydeny
Eat the Rich by P.J. O’Rourke. It’s very funny and accessible to the general reader.

Probably the best read to recommend for someone leftist leaning but still open minded. P. J. makes no excuses for the inherent faults in all systems and does it in a humorous way. He also never holds himself up as a god like authority as some writers do. As Twain said “Humorists, politicians, burglars, all of us in the trade”.

22 posted on 11/01/2008 6:27:59 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: Taliesan
There was an old Maine humorist who did some albums about "Bert and I" and one of his routines was about a Maine farmer who heard a traveling socialist give a speech and was converted. He had a conversation with his neighbor and explained the theory to him. His neighbor says:

"So, Virgil, you mean to say that if you had two farms, you'd give me one of them?"
"Ayuh."
"So, Virgil, you mean to say that if you had two tractors, you'd give me one of them?"
"Ayuh."
"So, Virgil, you mean to say that if you had two cows, you'd give me one of them?"
"G** D*** you, Enoch! You know I got two cows!!"

23 posted on 11/01/2008 6:28:05 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Houmatt

http://www.therealcuba.com/


24 posted on 11/01/2008 6:28:27 AM PDT by Raquel (Abortion ruins lives.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

I would say it’s tough but worth it. I’d say the same about Atlas Shrugged.


25 posted on 11/01/2008 6:29:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Houmatt
A quick video from an ex KGB agent..

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

The entire series is on youtube,,,very frighteningly shows how modern socialism is meant to lead to full blown communist slavery.

26 posted on 11/01/2008 6:30:29 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Houmatt
If I could only recommend one book, it would be Hayek’s Road to Serfdom.

Good books on the weakness of Socialism:
Road to Serfdom (Hayek) is about the best.
Reflections on the Failure of Socialism (Max Eastman)
FDR's Folly (Powell)
Era of Tyrannies (Halevy)
The Forgotten Man (Shlaes)

Good books on the strength of free markets:
Capitalism and Freedom (Friedman)
Free to Choose (Friedman)
The Anti-Trust Paradox (Bork)
Anti-Capitalistic Mentality (von Mises)
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism (Murphy)

Books on economics in general:
The Servile State (Belloc) (some critique of socialism, but really a light criticism of socialism and heavy criticism of capitalism and an argument for Distributism, which is some fantasy socialism-lite conglomeration of the two that could never work)
Outline of Sanity (G.K. Chesterton) This is another argument for Distributism.
The Roosevelt Myth (Flynn) (touches on the economics of the era)
America's Great Depression (Rothbard)
Basic Economics(Sowell)
Theory and History (von Mises)
Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy (Schumpeter)

27 posted on 11/01/2008 6:30:52 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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"Black Book of Communism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

100,000,000 dead in the 20th century alone.
And Obama wants to bring it here.
28 posted on 11/01/2008 6:34:09 AM PDT by Infidel Puppy
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To: Straight Vermonter
"The Road to Serfdom" is very accessible. I had my 12 year old read it at one point as part of her homeschool curriculum.

Also take a look at "The Discovery of Freedom" by Rose Wilder Lane (daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder of "Little House on the Prairie", and the real author of the famous series of books). Rose started out as a Lefty and wound up as a strong conservative/libertarian.

So many people are enchanted with socialism and the idea of a planned economy, because they are arrogant enough to think that they would be among the planners.

29 posted on 11/01/2008 6:36:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Houmatt

books are theory, ask her show you an example of where socialism works


30 posted on 11/01/2008 6:38:06 AM PDT by edzo4 (Vote McCain, Keep Your Change)
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To: Houmatt
The Road to Serfdom in Cartoons. No excuse for your friend not to understand.
31 posted on 11/01/2008 6:42:49 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Houmatt
Any history of the 100 million people killed trying to make Socialism work in the 20th century ought to suffice. Remind her that Socialism whether the Fabian, National, Soviet or International version always ends in failure and death.

It was in all the papers

32 posted on 11/01/2008 6:43:47 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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She doesn’t even need to read a whole book, just this story.

Twentieth Century Motor Company
Conservablogs Blue Collar Muse ^ | Ayn Rand

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112179/posts

Copy the story and forward that to her
http://conservablogs.com/bluecollarmuse/2008/10/06/socialisms-lying-promise/


33 posted on 11/01/2008 6:43:59 AM PDT by listenhillary (4 legs good, 2 legs baaaad!, ~~ Obama Hussein - You make it, we take it.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
I just bought that one. Is it tough to get through or an easy read?

Well, it was tough for me, but I'll admit to not being the brightest bulb in the lamp. But it's well worth the slog. And I reread it periodically just for the refresher :)

34 posted on 11/01/2008 6:46:09 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Houmatt

It works ON PAPER, but NOT in real life. All you need is an OUNCE of common sense to figure it out.


35 posted on 11/01/2008 6:46:21 AM PDT by J40000
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To: Houmatt

We should not list these books - they’ll be the first ones Obama’s goons burn.


36 posted on 11/01/2008 6:47:46 AM PDT by GOPJ (Ayers book: Prairie Fire was dedicated to ALL"cop killers" and Sirhan Sirhan - ( assassin of RFK))
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To: angkor
Fredrich Hayek “Road To Serfdom”
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I absolutely agree, but a Liberal-Marxists that is just putting his toe in freedom's water needs milk before meat. The “Road to Serfdom” would be a little to hard to chew for a Liberal-Marxist.

37 posted on 11/01/2008 6:47:59 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: LRS

I’ve got it posted here, if they want to read it online

http://iwilldefendtheconstitution.com/node/562


38 posted on 11/01/2008 6:48:01 AM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: 1rudeboy
The Road to Serfdom in Cartoons.
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Absolutely excellent!

Also...We must remember that the overwhelming majority of our our citizens have been indoctrinated in government “schools”. Learning to read hasn't been a priority there since the late 1960s ( or even earlier).

39 posted on 11/01/2008 6:54:16 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Earthdweller

I watched that series last week and it was amazing. Giving the recent turmoil in the markets, this interview with Yuri Bezmenov made me take notice. He explains the KGB’s stategy for taking over our country from within. One of the stages of this strategy was a manufactured crisis which seems very close to the subprime mortgage mess. I highly recommend taking an hour and watching the whole thing.


40 posted on 11/01/2008 7:14:06 AM PDT by SteelTrap
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To: wintertime
I'm halfway through "Atlas Shrugged" and, I swear, it could have been written yesterday. Uncanny! :O
41 posted on 11/01/2008 7:14:06 AM PDT by nodumbblonde
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To: Houmatt

“Heaven on Earth, The Rise and Fall of Socialism”
Joshua Muravchik

“Liberal Fascism, The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning”
Jonah Goldberg, he writes about all leftist ideologies.


42 posted on 11/01/2008 7:15:14 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: wintertime

Ludwig Von Mises........Socialism.......It is a long, hard to read (translated from German) book that destroys the economic basis for socialism. Von Mises would probably argue today that our economy is already lurching towards socialism because of the gov’t ever increasing involvement in the economy.....He was a big gold standard guy and was suspicious of paper money.

“Gov’t is the only entity that can take a valuable commodity like paper and render it worthless merely by apply ink” Ludwig Von Mises


43 posted on 11/01/2008 7:16:30 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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To: Earthdweller

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1
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Very scary! We are not in the stage of destabilization ( 2 to 5 years).

The speaker emphasizes the importance of schools. Wow! Our schools ( even the private ones) are nearly entirely in the control of the Marxists and their Useful Idiots.

I can think of a least 50 people who need to see this video,...but...sadly, they are the very people who this speaker states will **refuse** to believe black and white evidence.


44 posted on 11/01/2008 7:17:56 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Houmatt

Not much time to read a book - have her watch Animal Farm.
http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/animal_farm/


45 posted on 11/01/2008 7:21:02 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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To: 1rudeboy

great link. Thanks.


46 posted on 11/01/2008 7:21:37 AM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: SteelTrap
One of the stages of this strategy was a manufactured crisis which seems very close to the subprime mortgage mess.
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This is the destabilization and crisis stage. We have already passed that demoralization stage.

Did you notice that the process begins with demoralization. He specifically specified that it takes 15 to 20 years to educate a new generation.

Why are conservatives like frogs in a pot of hot water? We should be organizing private voucher foundations and giving grants to conservative teachers who are willing to open conservative private schools.

The speaker was very plain about the solution: Education of our children true American values.

47 posted on 11/01/2008 7:22:34 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: nodumbblonde
I'm halfway through “Atlas Shrugged” and, I swear, it could have been written yesterday. Uncanny! :O
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Did you read the section on the soy bean famine and the train wreak? Wow! Does that ever parallel this current mortgage crisis!

48 posted on 11/01/2008 7:25:09 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: mewzilla

A hearty endorsement of all that listed Hayek’s ‘The Road to Serfdom’ !


49 posted on 11/01/2008 7:25:31 AM PDT by tomkat (handcrafted handmirrors)
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To: Houmatt
If she's educated and willing to invest the time, I strongly recommend Chamber's Witness. It doesn't directly deal with socialism, but it will show her who these folks are.

If she reads it, I recommend The Venona Papers and Charen's Useful Idiots as a followup.

I also support many here in recommending Hayek, but he is a bit hard to read IMHO.

50 posted on 11/01/2008 7:30:32 AM PDT by Scarchin (nObama - Keep the change!)
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