Skip to comments.What are the best books out there on why socialism blows?
Posted on 11/01/2008 6:13:42 AM PDT by Houmatt
I have a friend who is talking about how socialism "works." She needs to be taken down a peg or two but I don't know where to start. Any suggestions?
Miton Friedman's “Free to Chose”
“The Road to Serfdom” by Hayek
Easiest solution: “Animal Farm”
Fredrich Hayek “Road To Serfdom”
An unimpeachable classic work in political philosophy, intellectual and cultural history, and economics, The Road to Serfdom has inspired and infuriated politicians, scholars, and general readers for half a century. Originally published in 1944when Eleanor Roosevelt supported the efforts of Stalin, and Albert Einstein subscribed lock, stock, and barrel to the socialist programThe Road to Serfdom was seen as heretical for its passionate warning against the dangers of state control over the means of production. For F. A. Hayek, the collectivist idea of empowering government with increasing economic control would lead not to a utopia but to the horrors of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.
First published by the University of Chicago Press on September 18, 1944, The Road to Serfdom garnered immediate, widespread attention. The first printing of 2,000 copies was exhausted instantly, and within six months more than 30,000 books were sold. In April 1945, Readers Digest published a condensed version of the book, and soon thereafter the Book-of-the-Month Club distributed this edition to more than 600,000 readers. A perennial best seller, the book has sold 400,000 copies in the United States alone and has been translated into more than twenty languages, along the way becoming one of the most important and influential books of the century.
What book? Just show her Russia. That is the next step beyond Socialism.
And I mean pre-Putin Russia. Pre-Reagan Russia. Where there is seperation of church and state and the “stupid Christian right” didn’t have any kind of hold on the government. Most lefties applaud that. But also point out that NO religion was tolerated. They think communism and socialism is some sort of Utopia, but nothing comes without a price.
My parents paid my bills growing up, but part of the trade off of that was “As long as you live under my roof...” and I had to obey.
Now ask if they want that from an unescapable government. You can’t move out if you don’t like the rules. Part of communism is that they own you and don’t take kindly to losing their property. That’s another thing that the “I want my money” socialists don’t realize. What is the difference between communism and slavery? Well, not much.
“Darkness at Noon” Arthur Koestler
Whitaker Chambers “Witness”
LOL. I’m having a good brain day :)
Eat the Rich by P.J. O’Rourke. It’s very funny and accessible to the general reader.
You don’t need her to read anything. Just skip right to her point: ask her to share all her money with you.
Most leftists, particularly the celebrity type, only want to redistribute OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY.
You're not kidding. I spent six months out of the country back in '86. Best thing that ever happened to me. I was still a flaming lib for quite a while afterwards, but looking back at it I can tell you that's when the seeds were sown for my conversion to conservatism.
I just bought that one. Is it tough to get through or an easy read?
"Atlas Shrugged", and "We the Living" by Ayn Rand (who lived in Russia and experienced the aftermath of the Russian Revolution before her family got out)
Probably the best read to recommend for someone leftist leaning but still open minded. P. J. makes no excuses for the inherent faults in all systems and does it in a humorous way. He also never holds himself up as a god like authority as some writers do. As Twain said “Humorists, politicians, burglars, all of us in the trade”.
"So, Virgil, you mean to say that if you had two farms, you'd give me one of them?"
"So, Virgil, you mean to say that if you had two tractors, you'd give me one of them?"
"So, Virgil, you mean to say that if you had two cows, you'd give me one of them?"
"G** D*** you, Enoch! You know I got two cows!!"
I would say it’s tough but worth it. I’d say the same about Atlas Shrugged.
The entire series is on youtube,,,very frighteningly shows how modern socialism is meant to lead to full blown communist slavery.
Good books on the weakness of Socialism:
Road to Serfdom (Hayek) is about the best.
Reflections on the Failure of Socialism (Max Eastman)
FDR's Folly (Powell)
Era of Tyrannies (Halevy)
The Forgotten Man (Shlaes)
Good books on the strength of free markets:
Capitalism and Freedom (Friedman)
Free to Choose (Friedman)
The Anti-Trust Paradox (Bork)
Anti-Capitalistic Mentality (von Mises)
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism (Murphy)
Books on economics in general:
The Servile State (Belloc) (some critique of socialism, but really a light criticism of socialism and heavy criticism of capitalism and an argument for Distributism, which is some fantasy socialism-lite conglomeration of the two that could never work)
Outline of Sanity (G.K. Chesterton) This is another argument for Distributism.
The Roosevelt Myth (Flynn) (touches on the economics of the era)
America's Great Depression (Rothbard)
Theory and History (von Mises)
Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy (Schumpeter)
Also take a look at "The Discovery of Freedom" by Rose Wilder Lane (daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder of "Little House on the Prairie", and the real author of the famous series of books). Rose started out as a Lefty and wound up as a strong conservative/libertarian.
So many people are enchanted with socialism and the idea of a planned economy, because they are arrogant enough to think that they would be among the planners.
books are theory, ask her show you an example of where socialism works
It was in all the papers
She doesn’t even need to read a whole book, just this story.
Twentieth Century Motor Company
Conservablogs Blue Collar Muse ^ | Ayn Rand
Copy the story and forward that to her
Well, it was tough for me, but I'll admit to not being the brightest bulb in the lamp. But it's well worth the slog. And I reread it periodically just for the refresher :)
It works ON PAPER, but NOT in real life. All you need is an OUNCE of common sense to figure it out.
We should not list these books - they’ll be the first ones Obama’s goons burn.
I absolutely agree, but a Liberal-Marxists that is just putting his toe in freedom's water needs milk before meat. The “Road to Serfdom” would be a little to hard to chew for a Liberal-Marxist.
I’ve got it posted here, if they want to read it online
Also...We must remember that the overwhelming majority of our our citizens have been indoctrinated in government “schools”. Learning to read hasn't been a priority there since the late 1960s ( or even earlier).
I watched that series last week and it was amazing. Giving the recent turmoil in the markets, this interview with Yuri Bezmenov made me take notice. He explains the KGB’s stategy for taking over our country from within. One of the stages of this strategy was a manufactured crisis which seems very close to the subprime mortgage mess. I highly recommend taking an hour and watching the whole thing.
“Heaven on Earth, The Rise and Fall of Socialism”
“Liberal Fascism, The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning”
Jonah Goldberg, he writes about all leftist ideologies.
Ludwig Von Mises........Socialism.......It is a long, hard to read (translated from German) book that destroys the economic basis for socialism. Von Mises would probably argue today that our economy is already lurching towards socialism because of the gov’t ever increasing involvement in the economy.....He was a big gold standard guy and was suspicious of paper money.
“Gov’t is the only entity that can take a valuable commodity like paper and render it worthless merely by apply ink” Ludwig Von Mises
Very scary! We are not in the stage of destabilization ( 2 to 5 years).
The speaker emphasizes the importance of schools. Wow! Our schools ( even the private ones) are nearly entirely in the control of the Marxists and their Useful Idiots.
I can think of a least 50 people who need to see this video,...but...sadly, they are the very people who this speaker states will **refuse** to believe black and white evidence.
Not much time to read a book - have her watch Animal Farm.
great link. Thanks.
This is the destabilization and crisis stage. We have already passed that demoralization stage.
Did you notice that the process begins with demoralization. He specifically specified that it takes 15 to 20 years to educate a new generation.
Why are conservatives like frogs in a pot of hot water? We should be organizing private voucher foundations and giving grants to conservative teachers who are willing to open conservative private schools.
The speaker was very plain about the solution: Education of our children true American values.
Did you read the section on the soy bean famine and the train wreak? Wow! Does that ever parallel this current mortgage crisis!
A hearty endorsement of all that listed Hayek’s ‘The Road to Serfdom’ !
If she reads it, I recommend The Venona Papers and Charen's Useful Idiots as a followup.
I also support many here in recommending Hayek, but he is a bit hard to read IMHO.