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1 posted on 11/07/2008 10:40:35 AM PST by Traviswf
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To: Traviswf

It’s nice to see you’re pro-2nd amendment stance, as well as your genuine love of this country, but it’s the same Liberal argument on Iraq vs Afghanistan I’ve heard many, many times over and it still holds no water

Iraq was the crossroads of terrorism; Sadaam was choking the very life out of the entire country. Hundreds of thousands were murdered in gas chambers, the Baath party crushed all dissenters, and many known and notable terrorists deemed just as dangerous as Bin Laden were being granted asylum and continued to plot our downfall, as well as that of our allies

Obama wants to bring the fight to Afghanistan at the cost of rushing of Iraq why exactly? You seem to see the bigger “picture” of international conflicts being vital, which for a Democrat is refreshing, and yet you can honestly stay objected to the war in Iraq? Intellectual dishonesty


45 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:00 AM PST by swordfishtrombone
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Come on guys, this is a rather gracious Obama voter. Give him (her) credit.

I respect your candidness about your feelings after the elections, and your sincere empathy for the disappointment here.

I’m afraid your guy has set himself up to disappoint you even more than GW did to us, because you do have to admit he does have some pretty big promises to keep.

I’d like to hear your predictions and hopes for the Obama years.


46 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:02 AM PST by MNDude
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To: Traviswf; TigersEye

You want to know what I feel? I feel like he is fullva manure & there are too many people who liked the smell of it IMHO. And I am scared for this country. I hope he & your dems don’t make a bigger mess of this country. I refuse to sugarcoat it for you....I am worried, very worried.


47 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:18 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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“He’s also not a socialist. And he’s not coming for your guns.”

“Universal Voluntary Service” is an Orwellian oxymoron. To those of us with a grasp of the English language it sounds very much like a proposal to bring back slavery. What’s your take on it Travis? You voted for the guy.


48 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:22 AM PST by devere
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Thanks for posting. How does it feel to be one of the newly minted “rich”?

That was a rhetorical question. Here’s a real question. Your decision to answer or not will tell me a lot about your character:

In your point of view, what do you think the goverment can do better for you than you could do for yourself given the opportunity?


50 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:48 AM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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Travis, you've been duped. The sad part about this election is that we needed a strong leader who would get in there and really change the governments spending habits. Would Mccain have been as good as his word? I'd like to think so.

I do know that Obamas change does not include cleaning up government spending and today on his list of economic advisers is Granholm. She is the biggest failure as a governor in as many years as I can recall and he asks her for advice? Nuts.

51 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:48 AM PST by linn37
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He's also not a socialist.

This statement clearly indicates you have no idea who Obama is. You apparently have no knowledge of his membership in the New Party, what its platform is and what its goals are.

Are you pro-socialism or pro-capitalism?

52 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:49 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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So, you weren't one of the many liberals who thought Diebold had every election rigged for all of time? Or that Rove controlled the way your poop came out your butt?

The only war in which we were legitimately in was in Iraq, as the damn terms of the cease-fire required no hostilities from that point onward, or risk having another war. Hussein signed off on this. And every week, Iraq locked on another plane in the “No-Fly Zone” and that constituted an hostility, to which Clinton has the fighters take out the installation. Heck, Clinton sent just under 1,000 missiles into Iraq as the Monica thing was starting, and the world thought that was fine and acceptable.

But you agree with Afghanistan and, apparently, Croatia, both of which we had no legal agreement to bomb them to Hell if a term of an agreement was broken?

Shove it and get the hell out of here. You have no brain.

53 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:49 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Concerning Larry Sinclair: It is strange when you can be thankful for having a pervert on your side.)
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I think if Ronald Reagan was around on 11/5/08, he would have suggested that we be of good cheer- because America is greater than any one person (including some clown named Obama).

Respecting your opinion and putting it most politely, I believe that Barak will do more harm than good in his presidency.


55 posted on 11/07/2008 10:50:57 AM PST by Made In The USA (Liberalism is a sign of stupidity.)
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“So that’s my two cents”

Thanks...don’t let the door hit ya in the behind on the way out.


57 posted on 11/07/2008 10:51:17 AM PST by y6162 (uot)
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So yeah - we've all spent some time in the woods. I just hope we can all agree that we're just as American as the other, and we're passionate about what we believe to be the right path to take.

You've just graduated from being a lifelong democrat and liberal to a full fledged Marxist. And the path you've chosen is the destruction of America. You and your like shall NEVER be forgiven.

58 posted on 11/07/2008 10:51:19 AM PST by AFreeBird
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It's how (Obama) won 60% of independent and brought home so many of the Clinton voters.

Obama won because McCain is a short frumpy oldster who couldn't talk or debate his way out of a paper bag.

Not to be shallow, but most American voters want a dynamic, bold, articulate, half-decent looking person who is consistent in their beliefs.

McCain was NONE of those.

McCain blew his chance when he signed on to the govt. bailout and suspended his campaign from the debate, and changed his mind 24 hours later like a whipped puppy dog.

McCain was anything but a solid, strong conservative messenger....

McCain is the connsumate WashDC insider, which is EXACTLY what many want to reject. Yet McCain saw himself as someone whom we could not do without.... sort of like a liberal Democrat pretends to be.

McCain thought the independents and conservative Democrats would flock to him because he has been an anti-Republican the past 8 years (despite the 90% vote with Bush claims from Obama)

McCain Feingold, McCain Kennedy, immigration, taxes, gang of 14, calling faithful Christians names, opposing a secure border wall --- McCain has been a thorn in the eye of conservative Republicans for 12 years ---

And how do liberals pay him back?? They call him racist, and flock to Obama.

Lessons learned, folks.

Democrats view people like McCain as evil, even as they encourage him to betray every principal he claimed he ever had.

59 posted on 11/07/2008 10:51:20 AM PST by Edit35 (.)
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Maybe not a zot...I stand down. A taste of the Fairness Doctrine here at FR.


62 posted on 11/07/2008 10:52:10 AM PST by Dallas59 (Redistribute Obamas Wealth)
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You have bought the lie.


63 posted on 11/07/2008 10:52:18 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Traviswf; All

Regardless of the zot posts etc., thanks for taking the time to share your perspective, and we are all Americans indeed.

As for the civilian corps, yes, some are a bit loopy taking that to Nazi-like terms.

I am sure all it is talking about it mandatory service, what he is describing on his website.

But, that is wrong.....it is flat wrong to force people to do something they do not want to do.

His economic policy is wrong. Bottom-up policies taxing the heck out of the businesses that employee Americans is not the way to keep the economy running.

Yes, perhaps some flexibility is due in terms of only having a top-down approach. It could be true that those on the bottom need a bit more help. The problem is, those in the middle are the ones screwed since Democrat polices pass them over.

But, something needs done. I am sure it won’t turn out to be as bad as we all think right now. But we are scared just like you were.


65 posted on 11/07/2008 10:53:05 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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He's also not a socialist. And he's not coming for your guns. If he did either of this things, he can basically just go home now. Those are not realistic positions for any president to have. He will likely appoint liberals - at least too liberal for you guys - to the courts. But here's the thing. He's going to try and be a good president. I think they all do. And Obama ran on uniting the country, on being bipartisan. That's sort of ALL he ran on. It's how he won 60% of independent and brought home so many of the Clinton voters. So if he doesn't deliver on this - I imagine he'll be fairly easy to beat in 2012. So that's my two cents. Obama was always going to get my vote as the nominee because I'm a lifelong democrat and a liberal. But I'm not a socialist or a pacifist. I believe in the 2nd amendment and favor the idea of most issues being decided by the states. I'm not a religious man, but I respect those who are and I think the Dems over reach in pushing religion out of the public square. I believe global warming is a serious problem, but I also think Al Gore enjoys it WAY too much. And here's another caveat. I know it's easier to be bipartisan and talk about "togetherness" when my guy won. I was where you guys are now in 2000 and 2004. I mean, my party ALMOST ran Howard Dean and then said "No wait! John Kerry is a much better idea!" Or in this election to have a friend say "You've GOT to read Alec Baldwin's latest piece on HuffPo." I mean...really? He doesn't count as an "Obamacon" you know, he only plays a republican on TV...(you guys ever notice that our most annoying Hollywood liberals end up playing republicans? what's with that?) So yeah - we've all spent some time in the woods. I just hope we can all agree that we're just as American as the other, and we're passionate about what we believe to be the right path to take. There are real problems with the economy, and Islamic Terrorists aren't going to take a vacation for four years. That's about it I guess. Sorry you guys lost.

You guys have set the perfect example for US to follow. I have lived through 8 years of the ugliest raging hate of Bush by insane liberals. You alinsky followers do not even have a clue what you have signed onto, and if you have the mind and spine to stick around here long enough your blindness might get peeled away. Serve your self and do a bit of research as to who Alinsky was and how could it be that a political party would affix themselves to admirers of the devil himself.

66 posted on 11/07/2008 10:53:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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You do not deserve to be ZOTted. Your comments are meant earnestly, and you are not trying to troll or deceive anyone.

I’m willing to consider the possibility that Obama might do some good things, or at least some not-bad things.

What I think worries people here (besides the left-wing policies) is

1) the messianic style of leadership. Imagine if a Republican had people composing songs about him, people fainting at his rallies, chanting political liturgies, and crafting quasi-religious imagery in support of him. The left would be terrified!

2) the Chicago-style political tactics. Sending the campaign-supporter swarm out against Obama critics like Stanley Kurtz. The (mis)use of the media. A relentless, ruthless attack posture against his opponents.


69 posted on 11/07/2008 10:53:47 AM PST by oblomov
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Go away. There is no kumbaya sentiments that are welcome at this time.

LQ


70 posted on 11/07/2008 10:54:05 AM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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You are a supporter of a commie. Get lost.


71 posted on 11/07/2008 10:54:20 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Start the AIP- American Independence Party)
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You are actually execptional. Exceptionally stupid. Do you realy think turning or government over to a snake oil salesman for four years is going to help things? Astounding. How I would love to spend 4 or 5 hours going off on you. I truly hope you have invested heavily in a future that depends entirely on Zero actually turning our economy around. I doubt it, I iamgine that if you have any money you are busily trying to figure out how to protect it from the Democrats yourself. Here is a challenge for you. If you really belive in this guy, turn all your resources into stocks right now. Take everything you actually aren’t using every day to a pawn shop and buy GM. I dare you. See you don’t even believe Zero is good for the country. You won’t do it. I DARE you.


72 posted on 11/07/2008 10:54:45 AM PST by wastoute
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