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Posted on 11/13/2008 10:07:22 AM PST by Labyrinthos

Like many Americans in these uncertain times, I plan on purchasing additional firearms over the next few days. I already own a Remington 870 12g, which I use for both sport and home defense, as well as several .22 rimfire rifles for target shooting. I would like to buy a versatile o/u for field and range; and a centerfire lever action rifle for field, range, and defense. I don't want to spend a lot of money on either.

My budget on the o/u is less that $1000, and I have been looking at guns from Charles Daley, Mossburg, Spartan, and Dick's Diamond (Franchi). I would also consider a higher quality second hand gun in my prince range. I welcome your thoughts and recommendations.

My budget for the lever action is under $600 and Marlin seems to be the lever action of choice in that price range. I have never fired a centerfire lever action rifle and would appreciate you advice on make, model, and most importantly, caliber (I don't want to bust the budget on ammo).

Thanks in advance.


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1 posted on 11/13/2008 10:07:22 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

Everyone who is eligible should buy a gun and learn how to use it, ASAP. This will send a clear message to the Democrats, terrorists, and other crooks.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The Second Amendment has not been amended.


2 posted on 11/13/2008 10:13:57 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: Labyrinthos
I have had my Marlin 336 (30/30 lever action) for the last 29 years. It was my first centerfire rifle purchase. It has proven itself to be a very reliable, touch little shooter. I have taken 17 deer with it in all kinds of conditions.
3 posted on 11/13/2008 10:17:11 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (God help us.)
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To: Labyrinthos
touch = tough
4 posted on 11/13/2008 10:18:14 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (God help us.)
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To: Labyrinthos

Wouldn’t speak regarding the over/under, but go to Dicks Sporting goods, find their Marlin Lever action .30-30 combo pack (includes scope, less than 400.00), spend the rest on ammo and range time.


5 posted on 11/13/2008 10:19:38 AM PST by petro45acp (Hunkered down in occupied Virginia!)
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To: Labyrinthos

Look for a used O/U on Gunbroker.com. You can find a lot of Brownings, Berettas, & Winchester 101s there, and those will probably outlast you and your offspring. The older, fixed choke models are cheaper than newer screw-in choked guns, and one with IC/Mod chokes will do well with both targets and game. Go to a gun shop and check out the various O/Us to see what fits you. For me the Brownings fit better, but it’s an individual thing, you could well prefer something else.


6 posted on 11/13/2008 10:20:03 AM PST by Stevenc131
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To: Labyrinthos

Not an over/under kind of guy but I do own a Marlin in 45/70. Probably not the caliber you’d want since it has a very hard recoil and ammo can run you up to $2/round. For the same reason I’d avoid the 444 and 450.

You might want to look at one in 44Mag or 357Mag. Those two calibers would be rather cheap on the ammo side and would offer the opportunity to buy a handgun in the same caliber. The 44Mag would be effective on white tail out to about 125 yards or so depending on your abilities. Hornady offers some interesting ammunition that allows the use of a pointed bullet and still be safe in tubular magazines. The ammo is called lever revolution and is available in almost all of the calibers that marlin makes. This ammo would add about 50% to the effective range.

Marlin also offers a .308 in a lever action. But be advised this is not really a 308. It’s actually a 307. But it does offer ballistics similar to a 308.


8 posted on 11/13/2008 10:25:54 AM PST by DugwayDuke (What's more important? Your principles or supporting the troops? Vote McCain!)
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To: Labyrinthos

You (and all other FReepers) can check out upcoming gun shows and talk to some knowledgeable people face-to-face and check out what’s available.

http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/gunsched.htm

I’m looking forward to doing the same.


9 posted on 11/13/2008 10:29:34 AM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Regardless of what it is... I just want the truth to be made public ))))
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To: Labyrinthos

I think that 600 for a new Marlin is about what they want for their tippy top lever action these days. Better yet, a used .45-70 won’t have the new receiver safety. You could also save money by getting a long barrel from Craigslist or Gunbroker for your existing 870 rather than buying an O/U field gun. If you’re on a budget, always buy a sturdy used gun. That’s the way all the best deals work.


10 posted on 11/13/2008 10:30:55 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Labyrinthos

Lever gun: Mossberg just came out with a lever 30-30. Reasonably priced. Put it together w/ Hornady polymer tip lever gun ammo, and you’ve got a hunting rifle w/ a legitimate 150-200 yd range. Or go with a Marlin. Comes in a variety of calibers

Handgun: Depending on your state, check out Springfield’s XDM in .40 S&W or 9mm. [Both illegal in NY because of the Mag. capacity]. Revolver: Taurus has affordable wheelguns, and also 1911 clones. Ruger has a six shot SP 101 [3”] shoots 327 mag. Ballistics almost on the nose w/ .357, haldf the recoil.

O/U: CZA has som reasonable ones. So does [I think] NE Firearms.Good luck.


11 posted on 11/13/2008 10:31:38 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: pleikumud

As our esteemed former president pervert would say “it
depends on what the definition of amendment is”. Technicallly it has not and you are correct. However in
practical terms one could say it has- by all of the laws
passed governing gun purchases, sales and use of, ect.
Gees. Just to get a carry permit I had to jump through a
ton of hoops and go through a boat load of hassle. The
phrase “shall not be infringed” kept going through my
head........


12 posted on 11/13/2008 10:33:26 AM PST by murrie (For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son..........)
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To: moder_ator

Why was my post removed?


13 posted on 11/13/2008 10:34:34 AM PST by Boonie
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To: Boonie

So, your advice is to take a perfectly good, legal shotgun, mutilate the barrel, rendering it illegal and possibly inaccurate.

I’m curious as to how much tactical benefit you expect to derive from this as opposed to just buying an 870 with a legal 18 inch barrel that you can take to the range and practice with as opposed to keeping hidden away?


14 posted on 11/13/2008 10:36:40 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

As I had suggested, it was for home defense or CQC...Accuracy when talking room to room is not an issue and the modification from a long shotgun into a short manueverable weapon is more adapted to this environment...it is intended for nothing but home defense...that’s it...


15 posted on 11/13/2008 10:39:21 AM PST by Boonie
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To: Labyrinthos

Take your $1,000 and try to find a new or used Ruger O/u, IF that’s the style you want.

I dont think mossberb makes any scatterguns other than pumps or autos..but I could be wrong.

Charles Daly O/Us are all turkish made, if Im not mistaken. Ands thats not a bad thing, some of the nicest reasonably priced shotguns come out of Turkey.


16 posted on 11/13/2008 10:39:42 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage, you don't care who you hurt.)
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To: Boonie

Could it have had anything to do with recommending that people break the law?


17 posted on 11/13/2008 10:39:50 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: Labyrinthos

It’ll probably run a bit more than $600 (not by much, though, if you shop around) but a Henry “Big Boy” in .357 mag would be my choice for a lever action rifle. I like the fact that it uses the same ammo as that ever-popular revolver.

Oh, and you should pick up a .357 mag revlover also...

;^)


18 posted on 11/13/2008 10:41:35 AM PST by WayneS (HELP! My beloved Commonwealth is becoming MARYLAND!)
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To: Labyrinthos

rather than spend money on an o/u, get a bird barrel for your 870. if you’re sure you want one, check out the remmington spartan. well put together and inexpensive. then buy a mec press and reload your own shotshells.

for lever guns, i suggest marlins because they have a side ejection port. makes it easier to scope and less prone to having the ammo get caught in the chamber.


19 posted on 11/13/2008 10:43:18 AM PST by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

I got an 18 1/2” barrel from cheaperthandirt for my Mossberg: $69.00. I saw no sense in `circumsizing’ the longer barrel that came with it. And in this state, saw your barrel under 18” and you buy yourself a peck of trouble.

This Mod is strong in the Force.....


20 posted on 11/13/2008 10:44:10 AM PST by tumblindice (Americas Founding Fathers, all armed conservatives)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

As for lever actions, I only own one. Its a marlin 336C in 30-30. Ive shot numerous whitetail deer with mine and its built like a tank.

If I ever get another lever action rifle, it will be a marlin guide gun in 45-70. thats the round to get for big game in my part of the country. Also, If one chose to use it in self defense out in the country...well.,..lets just say this. There really isnt any place a bad guy could hide from a 405 grain barnes bullet.


21 posted on 11/13/2008 10:45:03 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage, you don't care who you hurt.)
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To: Boonie

Like FR and conservatives need the kind of scrutiny that would bring.


22 posted on 11/13/2008 10:55:40 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: Labyrinthos
I hope you don't mind if I use your post to ask a few questions about ammo for the weapons I have?

I own two pistols and a rifle. And I would like to know where to purchase ammunition. These are strictly self defense weapons.

1. Smith & Wesson 38 Special Revolver

2. Mauser 1914 7.65mm (auto, with two original clips)

3. Armalite AR-180 5.56mm. Mfg Sterling England (folding stock).

My wife has enjoyed firing the Mauser. It is essentially a pocket pistol. She has not fired the 38 Special or the AR-180 because I have not purchased ammunition for practice.

Thanks

23 posted on 11/13/2008 11:00:43 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: murrie

The state and local laws that are infringing should be challenged in federal courts, all the way to the Supreme Court. It recently ruled against gun control in DC.

More issues should be brought to the Court, including Socialist Security - taking of my property (income) and giving it to others.


24 posted on 11/13/2008 11:08:09 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: Red_Devil 232

You can get ammo for the .38 and the AR-15 at WalMart; or buy in bulk from Sportsmansguide.com or a similar place.

Sportsmans Guide probably also has ammo for the Mauser.


25 posted on 11/13/2008 11:13:01 AM PST by WayneS (HELP! My beloved Commonwealth is becoming MARYLAND!)
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To: Labyrinthos

go to gunbroker.com and see if you find anything interesting.


26 posted on 11/13/2008 11:15:35 AM PST by catchem (NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE STUPIDITY OF THE AMERICAN VOTER!)
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To: PzLdr

Lever gun: Mossberg just came out with a lever 30-30. Reasonably priced. Put it together w/ Hornady polymer tip lever gun ammo


Amen on the Hornady. Makes a 30-30 a much longer reach gun. That’s the “Flex tip” a.k.a. “LeverEvolution” ammo you want. They also have hard polymer tip in non-lever calibers, but not in 30-30 (for safety reasons).


27 posted on 11/13/2008 11:16:51 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Politicians, like diapers, should be changed often. And for the same reason.)
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To: Armedanddangerous; Labyrinthos

I have a mossberg O/U that I’ve put 12,000 rounds through without a hiccup. For $1,000 you can buy two of them. It’s turkish and some don’t care for that, but I’m a fan.


28 posted on 11/13/2008 11:23:56 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE - http://freenj.blogspot.com - RadioFree NJ)
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To: Jagdgewehr

In fact, I have been looking at the Marlin 336, as well as the 1894. One thing I like about the 1894 is that it comes in 30-30, .357, and .44. I’m leaning towards the .357 and .44 because the 1894 hold 10+1, which is the maximum under NY law, whereas the 30-30 holds 6.


29 posted on 11/13/2008 11:24:29 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
"I’m curious as to how much tactical benefit you expect to derive from this as opposed to just buying an 870 with a legal 18 inch barrel that you can take to the range and practice with as opposed to keeping hidden away?"

I agree. I bought the Remington 870 with the 18" LEGAL barrel and a legal extended magazine. I got it for less than $370 and it had an extended magazine (6+1).
30 posted on 11/13/2008 11:27:00 AM PST by LeoOshkosh (Crazy Leo is right again)
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To: Labyrinthos

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31 posted on 11/13/2008 11:28:45 AM PST by 6323cd (Loyal Opposition My Ass)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
I’m curious as to how much tactical benefit you expect to derive from this as opposed to just buying an 870 with a legal 18 inch barrel that you can take to the range and practice with as opposed to keeping hidden away?

I actually have both the 28" and 18" barrels. Except when I am in the field or that range, I keep the 18" barrel on the 870, loaded with 00.

32 posted on 11/13/2008 11:29:16 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
"I’m curious as to how much tactical benefit you expect to derive from this as opposed to just buying an 870 with a legal 18 inch barrel that you can take to the range and practice with as opposed to keeping hidden away?"

I agree. I bought the Remington 870 with the 18" LEGAL barrel and a legal extended magazine. I got it for less than $370 and it had an extended magazine (6+1).
33 posted on 11/13/2008 11:30:47 AM PST by LeoOshkosh (Crazy Leo is right again)
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To: WayneS
It’ll probably run a bit more than $600 (not by much, though, if you shop around) but a Henry “Big Boy” in .357 mag would be my choice for a lever action rifle. I like the fact that it uses the same ammo as that ever-popular revolver. Oh, and you should pick up a .357 mag revlover also...

My local gun dealer has the Henry Big Boy .357 for $725, the Marlin 336 for $371, and the 1894 for $473. I have applied for a handgun permit, but this is New York. Although the judge in my county generally issues unrestricted concealed carry county permits, the process can take up to 6 months.

34 posted on 11/13/2008 11:35:52 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

That’s probably it...Advice was asked and answered...by several different people...each with differing opinions..I gave mine...It is probably not for everyone, but it suits me fine...Advice is like anything else...you choose whether to take it or not...

I would not presume to tell you NOT to use the weapon of your choice...Whatever saves what you are protecting is what you should use...


35 posted on 11/13/2008 11:38:06 AM PST by Boonie
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To: Labyrinthos

In your price range, a Ruger red label or Browning Citori would be my suggestion.


36 posted on 11/13/2008 11:38:50 AM PST by Daffynition ("A gov't big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.)
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To: Boonie

I saw a mossberg 500 c 20 ga with pistol grips and a 24 inch barrel for under $300 at a local shop last week no mod needed and legal


37 posted on 11/13/2008 11:39:12 AM PST by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: WayneS

Being a cowboy action shooter, I must comment on the Henry Big Boy, in any caliber.

A typical CAS shooter will run through 12-20,000 rounds in a typical year, many more that most manufacturers expect in a lifetime of ownership. These folks (including my self) have found the HBB to be relatively unreliable for high volume uses compared to the Marlin, Winchester 73 or any Winchester 73/66 clone from Italy. While some compete with their HBB’s and initially seem to enjoy them, most eventually gravitate to the mentioned alternatives.

Issues with the HBB - gritty, clunky action. Heavy weight, and doesn’t clean up well (action job). I have tried several, both at the range and action manipulation in the store and was not impressed.

Advantages - American made.

Issues with Marlin 1894 - requires slight modification to the lever tip to prevent the “Marlin jam” if you are going to use it a lot (also called “letting in 2” by the manufacturer), can be done with a hand file. Can be ammo length sensitive (using short .38 special in the 1894C for example, typical of most lever action rifles).

Advantages for marlin - Least expensive, Cleans up extremely well (Action job can be done on your kitchen table with a screwdriver, honing stone, and a polishing wheel on your dremel, Instructions available all over the net), American made, Light, handy, can be run very fast if necessary (record is 10 rounds in 2.5 seconds or so - with all rounds on target), easy to repair and take down for cleaning, Rifle is so strong that reloading companies create special high pressure data for it.

Winchester 73/66 or clones disadvantages - Lever stroke is longer than marlin, rifle is typically heavier than marlin, Action is weaker than marlin (toggle link), Rifle is more expensive that either option mentioned.
Advantages - Can be run very quickly (fastest rifle in the business), cleans up VERY well (Mine feels like it has ball bearings in it!), is fast, and can be ‘smithed for about $200, including a short stroke (you should have a pro do it for you, e-mail if you need a reference), Did I say that it was fast?.

In direct answer to the poster’s original question - I highly recommend a Marlin 1895 in 30-30. Can pick up a used on for $200 - 250 and take it deer hunting that afternoon. Range is about 150 yards, has taken more deer in America than any other rifle. Ammo is relative cheap, and you can find it anywhere. Second choice is a Marlin in a pistol caliber to match your pistols.

The above is presented based on MY experience, and is my opinion. Yours may vary. Take the information in the spirit it was offered. Then buy something and have fun!


38 posted on 11/13/2008 11:43:20 AM PST by RetiredNavy ("Only accurate firearms are interesting")
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To: Labyrinthos
I am not sure about a shotgun for home security. A long barrel in the hallway is not easy. A lever action like a 45-70 is deadly. How about noise? How are you going to hear someone if you just blew your eardrums out? Look how short he M16’s that the Marines use to kick in doors in Iraq.

There is no perfect gun for all occasions. A 50 BMG indoors would cause damage to everyone.

39 posted on 11/13/2008 12:05:57 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Labyrinthos
I'd suggest that you go to Shotgun World Classifieds and see what folks have put up there. Some nice pieces can be found at decent prices.
40 posted on 11/13/2008 12:17:03 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Labyrinthos

Any more it is more important how you buy it not what you get.

Go to a Gun Show and buy it used from an Individual. Lay down your cash and walk away.


41 posted on 11/13/2008 12:18:54 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Labyrinthos
Shotgun World Classifieds
42 posted on 11/13/2008 12:19:08 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Labyrinthos
I have owned a Savage Model 99 lever action in 300 Savage caliber for 50 years, and have gotten outstanding service from it. This unique lever action has a built-in rotary magazine which allows the use of pointed ammunition. The 300 savage comes within a wisker of .308 ballistics (as a matter of fact, I use reformed .308 brass for reloading my ammo).

This gun is also available in .243, 250/3000, and .308 (in the newer versions). Some of these guns were "take down" models that you could remove the barrel for backpacking or transport purposes.

The action on this rifle is much stronger than either the Winchester or Marlin lever actions because it is milled from a single piece of steel as opposed to using two or more pieces screwed together.

Sadly, the Savage 99 is no longer in production, but you should be able to find one on the used market. Prices should be $600 to $1200 depending upon condition.

43 posted on 11/13/2008 12:25:14 PM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Labyrinthos

Why not just take up bowling or read a book? /Clinton BS


44 posted on 11/13/2008 12:26:25 PM PST by gundog (We shall overcome.)
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To: Labyrinthos
I have owned a Savage Model 99 lever action in 300 Savage caliber for 50 years, and have gotten outstanding service from it. This unique lever action has a built-in rotary magazine which allows the use of pointed ammunition. The 300 savage comes within a wisker of .308 ballistics (as a matter of fact, I use reformed .308 brass for reloading my ammo).

This gun is also available in .243, 250/3000, and .308 (in the newer versions). Some of these guns were "take down" models that you could remove the barrel for backpacking or transport purposes.

The action on this rifle is much stronger than either the Winchester or Marlin lever actions because it is milled from a single piece of steel as opposed to using two or more pieces screwed together.

Sadly, the Savage 99 is no longer in production, but you should be able to find one on the used market. Prices should be $600 to $1200 depending upon condition.

45 posted on 11/13/2008 12:26:44 PM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Red_Devil 232
I hope you don't mind if I use your post to ask a few questions about ammo for the weapons I have?

By all means.

46 posted on 11/13/2008 12:33:03 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Red_Devil 232

wal mart for the 38 secial


47 posted on 11/13/2008 12:42:58 PM PST by garykfd (American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

wal mart for the 38 special..


48 posted on 11/13/2008 12:43:47 PM PST by garykfd (American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God!)
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To: Labyrinthos
For a o/u shotgun Get a good one, Ruger, Browning, Beretta( my favorite)etc., Its like money in the bank. For a lever gun look at a Savage 99 in .308, a Winchester 88 in .308,or a Marlin 1895 in 45-70 Go to Gunbroker.com or Auctionarms.com.
49 posted on 11/13/2008 12:45:33 PM PST by MCF
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To: Red_Devil 232

wal mart for the 38 spec ammo


50 posted on 11/13/2008 12:50:10 PM PST by garykfd (American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God!)
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