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It's time to demand Fox create a nightly news

Posted on 11/22/2008 4:19:53 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

ABC has Gotcha Gibson. NBC has Williams. CBS has Couric. Fox has............

Nothing. There is no national broadcast coming from Fox news.

This needs to change.


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With a coming Obama presidency, and looming threats of localism, it's time to step up to the plate.
1 posted on 11/22/2008 4:19:54 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Seems like most of the cable/satellite shows could out do the current free TV media. I wonder why they haven’t moved into that market?


2 posted on 11/22/2008 4:23:23 AM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Why? The internet is better.


3 posted on 11/22/2008 4:24:20 AM PST by mefistofelerevised
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To: Dallas59

That’s what I’d like to know.

I can think if quite a few good conservatives who would make a half way decent anchor at 6:30 PM or whenever it was placed.

It isn’t like the big three haven’t gone down the partisan road, To my knowledge Couric isn’t even a journalist. She majored in what....... history?(which is a good thing don’t misunderstand)


4 posted on 11/22/2008 4:26:13 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I’d rather see FNC do something with the nights (besides Red Eye, which is a good show).

For all the brains Fox - news and broadcast - are supposed to have, they aren’t exploiting opportunities.


5 posted on 11/22/2008 4:26:19 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: mefistofelerevised

Because we need to compete. That’s why.

The networks are already in place. Fox affiliates are all over the nation. Why not use them?


6 posted on 11/22/2008 4:26:52 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: CE2949BB

Do something with the nights?


7 posted on 11/22/2008 4:27:28 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I realize they pull in money from pay tv. But they could expand. I watch the local FOX station in Dallas occasionally. I would much rather watch a national FOX news service adjacent to NBC, cBS, ABC.


8 posted on 11/22/2008 4:31:07 AM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Do something with the nights?

Yeah. Fox News Channel just loops the early evening programming throughout the night.

Instead, I think, they should have more shows on. Maybe more Red Eye type material, or even live news. Just no more loops of O'Reilly, Greta, and H&C.

Maybe a max repeat of those once a night and make them available online (without DRM would be nice, but I'm dreaming), but do something with the night hours.

As for Fox broadcast, I don't think they would ever produce a 30/60 minute news program. It would be nice, but.. I just don't see it.

9 posted on 11/22/2008 4:35:12 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: Dallas59

As would I.

I love internet, talk radio, and Fox’s role on cable is noteworthy. But let’s be realistic. All of these have their own limits.

I’m not afraid to admit, I also regularly pay attention to the liberal outlets in broadcast as well as newspapers to see what the talking points of the day are.

But I would much rather watch Fox’s nightly broadcast than the other three’s. But the fact that it doesn’t exist is a big problem! :-)


10 posted on 11/22/2008 4:36:00 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The networks’ “nightly news” shows are on deathwatch. I watch Britt Hume on FNC, that’s my “night;y news.” When the appalling Shep Smith comes on, I cut it off. I get more news from FR that I do from TV.


11 posted on 11/22/2008 4:37:45 AM PST by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I thought Shep’s panting scream-a-thon was their Nightly News.


12 posted on 11/22/2008 4:38:01 AM PST by lmc12
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I get most of my news from FOX news off the internet and DirecTV. Those could go away at anytime.


13 posted on 11/22/2008 4:38:49 AM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Don't you think that if it were more profitable than the current arrangement, Fox would already be doing it? And what's up with this demand thing? Are you even a shareholder? What gives you the say-so to demand anything?

Words and tone are important and this sounds rather pitchfork weilding and authoritarian...something that would normally be heard from a radical Leftist.

14 posted on 11/22/2008 4:38:59 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: CE2949BB

Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, getting more talent in the door could surely be helpful as opposed to loop programming. I agree.

But as I just mentioned, while all we have built so far is incredibly helpful, internet, cable, and talk radio all have their limits.

A conservative leaning nightly news, our own wireservice to compete with AP, as well as something to knock down telemundo and univision are all something we’re gonna have to setup/demand/achieve before we can truely defeat this media.

All three are necessary.


15 posted on 11/22/2008 4:39:01 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Put it into Shepherd Smith’s slot and have E.D. Hill as the anchor. Buh, bye, Shep!


16 posted on 11/22/2008 4:40:10 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Malesherbes

They are only on death watch because so many people are tuning out.

They have no place to ****TUNE IN*****.

It isn’t like tuning out CNN and tuning in Fox, that doesn’t exist in the broadcast world.

^^^^^^^^^I get more news from FR that I do from TV.^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, by choice. So many others actively seek out news because we know it’s tainted. That wouldn’t be necessary....... it shouldn’t be necessary.


17 posted on 11/22/2008 4:41:30 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Demand as well as supply are important parts of capitalism.

That's all I mean.

18 posted on 11/22/2008 4:43:52 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I’m sure that if Fox thought they could make money with a nightly news program, they would have already done so.

This kind of show has really taken a hit in recent years, I can’t remember the last time I watched any of the existing programs. People had just as soon watch Jeopardy, Seinfeld reruns or local TV news.


19 posted on 11/22/2008 4:50:57 AM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Put it into Shepherd Smith’s slot,...

Something tells me that Schwepp would like that....

20 posted on 11/22/2008 4:59:41 AM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I really agree. They have local news, but they need a 30 minute news show that competes with Katie and Brian. They would probably be surprised that it draws in more viewers than King of the Hill reruns.

Then again, maybe not.


21 posted on 11/22/2008 5:09:48 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The cartoons the local stations run are way more profitable than any news broadcast.


22 posted on 11/22/2008 5:12:55 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (It's no longer the Press Van, it's a "Tanker" Truck!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Why? You don’t think Fox is really a conservative alternative do you?? More and better can be found on the internet....... but for how long?


23 posted on 11/22/2008 5:37:39 AM PST by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Did it ever occur to you that Fox would have already done this if it was financial viable ?

Network news doesn't make money

24 posted on 11/22/2008 5:42:31 AM PST by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

what time slot is Glen Beck moving into? last I heard they weren’t really sure.


25 posted on 11/22/2008 5:49:40 AM PST by TiredofItalltoo (tiredofitalltoo)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
There is no national broadcast coming from Fox news.

Actually, FNC is an entire channel dedicated to news. The 6:30pm slot for news broadcasts on the major networks are getting poor ratings and have been mostly shown to be unreliable and untrustworthy. My concern is more with the AM shows on the networks that intertwine politics with feel good concepts. These are subtle and not so subtle ways to indoctrinate.

26 posted on 11/22/2008 6:04:41 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Why? They are liberal enough now. We don’t simply need another liberal evening news. They have 100% of them now.


27 posted on 11/22/2008 6:05:36 AM PST by RetiredArmy (NOTE TO REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS: PLAY THE CONSERVATIVE CARD!!!)
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To: MrLee

^^^^^^^^^^^^Why? You don’t think Fox is really a conservative alternative do you?? ^^^^^^^^^^

They’ll be about the only thing left once net neutrality and localism(fairness doctrine) are implemented.

Give me a year or so. Then I’ll easily and resoundingly be able to answer you with a “yes”.

As of right now, no. With the smears of Sarah, Fox is nothing more than an RNC house organ.

^^^^^^^^^^^More and better can be found on the internet^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, it can be *FOUND* on the internet. But we need a better delivery system. If we had a better(and/or more well rounded) delivery system we wouldn’t need to search so hard.


28 posted on 11/22/2008 6:18:44 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: Popman

^^^^^^^^^^^Did it ever occur to you that Fox would have already done this if it was financial viable ?^^^^^^^

Of course. The current three networks have shot their credibility to high ........ something. :-)

Anyways, all it would take would be for somebody new to come in and restore the trust.

That could be fox, if they wanted it. They lead the cable ‘nets in ratings, I don’t see why they couldn’t do the same in broadcast.

^^^^^^^^^^Network news doesn’t make money^^^^^^^^^

Oh the ifs.


29 posted on 11/22/2008 6:21:34 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“it’s time to demand”

“this needs to change”

Uh, okay.

By the way, Fox is a tabloid.


30 posted on 11/22/2008 6:27:50 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (Stupid people shouldn't breed.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I’ve e-mailed them a couple of times to no avail.


31 posted on 11/22/2008 6:28:04 AM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: RetiredArmy

Yeah, most of their reporters are liberal. I know. But it’s easy to see a clear distinction between Fox and any other of the rabidly left wing outlets.

And it won’t be very long before it’s all we have left.


32 posted on 11/22/2008 6:32:16 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: LowCountryJoe

I suggested to them that there is a big conservative news market and a bigger middle range market, but, maybe we conservatives are kidding ourselves. The kids are being turned into ying-yangers with no knowledge of real truth. So who cares?


33 posted on 11/22/2008 6:34:58 AM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

News Corporation

Rupert Murdoch is not one to throw his money away on a Networks News division

BTW, your idea is a good one, but it's all about the timing.

34 posted on 11/22/2008 6:39:35 AM PST by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: Popman

Of course, of course. Timing is everything.

I just have a feeling that a conservative oriented news outlet would be a big hit because of the amount of disenfranchised conservatives out here.

There are more conservatives than liberals. Polling has consistently shown that. Watching liberal politicians campaign also prove it. So it stands to reason that conservatives would watch if they didn’t feel like they were constantly under attack while just trying to get a glimpse of the nation and the world. I know I would tune in regularly.


35 posted on 11/22/2008 6:47:54 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I believe that is what FNC considers the 1-hour Fox Report, every night of the week at 7 PM to be.


36 posted on 11/22/2008 6:50:32 AM PST by John W (Voters were more afraid of losing their money than losing their souls.)
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To: meyer

I don’t think I have ever met a person who actually likes Shepherd Smith. Why does he have his own show?


37 posted on 11/22/2008 7:30:40 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: John W

*shrug*

They should put it in broadcast. I’ve seen things in there that I’ve never seen anywhere else.(in MSM)


38 posted on 11/22/2008 7:51:28 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Fox has Shep Smith a rabid Democrat, Colmes a rabid liberal, BOR a middle of the road Democrat. I don’t want more of that on the nightly news.

I want the truth and we don’t have anything but the Internet to get the truth out and spread around.


39 posted on 11/22/2008 7:57:51 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: CodeToad; Halfmanhalfamazing
I wish all the conservative commentators would combine some of their abilities to create a real conservative cable news station. Give each one a large chunk of stock in it based on how much they contributed to get it going.

Give us real, unabashed, conservative news. Conservative news is based on truth. Liberal news is based on lies and slander. I think the Conservative station would smoke, smolder and then take fire.

With the upcoming "Fairness Doctrine" this and XM radio may be the only way our beloved talk hosts will be heard.

40 posted on 11/22/2008 8:10:34 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: Popman

Didn’t Rupert Murdoch tell fox crew to lay off obama and let him fail on his own?


41 posted on 11/22/2008 8:51:08 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Red in Blue PA
I don’t think I have ever met a person who actually likes Shepherd Smith. Why does he have his own show?

Because nobody else will do one with him! ;-)

42 posted on 11/22/2008 8:59:07 AM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Jerry Rivers wasn’t available??? We’re stuck with Shep...just signed a new deal....omg

saltnlemons


43 posted on 11/22/2008 9:00:55 AM PST by tajgirvan (Surrender? I have not yet begun to fight. ! John Paul Jones)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I’d rather see them create a real conservative broadcast news station.

You gotta remember, broadcast gets much more viewers than cable does AFAIK.(last I saw, Fox was in the 2 million viewers range and is the most successful while CBS is generally viewed as a disaster and typically gets 7-8 million a night)

A new conservative outlet to compete with Fox/Cable to only get a low million viewership number doesn’t seem to make as much sense as it would to create a new outlet to compete with abc/nbc/cbs to try to get a high million viewership number.

I like the idea though. I just wish there was broader outreach given the current limitations of cable, talk, and internet.

And about XM/Sirius....... I’ll consider getting it if localism(fairness doctrine) does it’s dirty work. I definately don’t want to be cut off.

Which makes me wonder......... What do the AM talkers have planned in a post localism/fairness doctrine U.S.A.?


44 posted on 11/22/2008 9:10:58 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Totally agree. There is nothing “Fair & Balanced” about being lied to by liberals. Give us the straight truth and the station wouldn’t be able to sell ad time fast enough!


45 posted on 11/22/2008 9:56:09 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I’m hoping for new management in a couple of the big 3 that will recognize their editorial position is the problem. Shilling is not Free Press.


46 posted on 11/22/2008 10:34:40 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
It would really help if they would first hire reporters. BOR is a commentator so is Smith. H&C are not reporters but actually commentators no real news their either. Their show as well is a joke now. A NYC neocon vs a NYC Liberal? It's getting very old. Brit Hume is a reporter and a good one but needs to ditch the current format and actually report the news. Enough of Mort, Fred, Juan, and the other guys who's routines and comments everyone should now know by heart. The mandatory doses of Jerry {Snidely Whiplash} Rivero on every show Thursday-Sunday especially need to go. He's a tabloid has been and cheapens the network just by being there.

Bring back John Gibson and give him the Shep or BOR slot. Give one of their best actual reporters say Patty Brown an hour show. She could take H&C's slot and still keep ratings up as she actually can report the news in a professional manner so you can take her serious. Let her use the best part of FOX News which is their foreign correspondents. On that they are tops but do not utilize them near enough. Move some of the better of those to U.S. venues. Ditch the highly irritating non news Fox News alert and instead have the reporters just tell us. Get s news crew to cover after 10:00pm and weekends if CNN can do it so can FOX. Shorten the talking head shows and extend top of the hour and half hour news to 5-7 minutes to cover headlines etc.

47 posted on 11/22/2008 11:13:44 AM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I’d rather see them create a real conservative broadcast news station.

It's been tried before and the NEOCON DC insiders consider them to be too big a threat. They worm their way in and destroy it from within. Back in the mid 1990's Paul Weyrich launched such a network. It was good while it lasted. Then came the NEOCON's and with them the Liberals.

48 posted on 11/22/2008 11:18:41 AM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: cva66snipe

Fox has plenty of reporters. But they are all out in the field. The people that Fox puts on screen are not reporters.

Some of your ideas are pretty good. But maximizing cable still limits the amount of facts that get out

Broadcast is (should be) our next step.


49 posted on 11/22/2008 12:01:29 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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To: cva66snipe

You mean NET?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Empowerment_Television

Net isn’t what I’m talking about. NET is more like Fox than anything, even worse. From what I’m seeing, NET was based solely on ‘dish networks’.

At least Fox enjoys both cable and satellite support.

I’d like to see what NET’s viewership numbers were. But given that it was limited to ‘dish networks’, it couldn’t have even come near to what Fox is able to do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cable_and_satellite_television_networks

I hate to say it, but I’m not surprised it failed. Who would buy a dish/service simply to get one single channel?

See, part of the problem is decentralization.(which I should’ve brought up sooner) Fox already has stations all over the nation. I have a fox affiliate right here in my market.

For someone to come in brand new, create affiliates all over the nation would take a tremendous amount of capital. Billions, if not even trillions, who knows?

We need conservatism(broadcast) that can be had with a set of rabbit ears and nothing more; that goes above and beyond AM radio.


50 posted on 11/22/2008 12:27:36 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (There is no "rich". There is only "the hiring class".)
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